Retailers won't price march these ebay sellers because they are usually selling at cost.
As for your second question, it would be a monumental upgrade. Far better colors, black levels, and resolution.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Retailers won't price march these ebay sellers because they are usually selling at cost.
As for your second question, it would be a monumental upgrade. Far better colors, black levels, and resolution.
Just got my 65B6 this week and have questions for LG OLED owners out there:
I'm a bit on the fence in terms of satisfaction after upgrading from a Panny ST50. TV and movies look fantastic and doing anything in daylight is much easier on the eyes now (picture isn't washed out), but motion resolution and input lag has me feeling a bit put off. I've been playing Red Dead on Xbox One and something just feels off after moving to the B6. I notice more judder when panning and running. The input lag shouldn't be much worse than the ST50 (based on the limited testing I've seen), but it's just not quite the same.
With the recent Newegg deal I wish I would have waited to buy the B6! Stuck with it now so I'll see if I get used to it.
- For the "Black Level" setting, is does Low = Full RGB or High?
- What does Real Cinema do?
- Should I always game in "Game" mode (assuming no HDR) or one of the ISF modes?
I'm a bit on the fence in terms of satisfaction after upgrading from a Panny ST50. TV and movies look fantastic and doing anything in daylight is much easier on the eyes now (picture isn't washed out), but motion resolution and input lag has me feeling a bit put off. I've been playing Red Dead on Xbox One and something just feels off after moving to the B6. I notice more judder when panning and running. The input lag shouldn't be much worse than the ST50 (based on the limited testing I've seen), but it's just not quite the same.
With the recent Newegg deal I wish I would have waited to buy the B6! Stuck with it now so I'll see if I get used to it.
Does that include 1080p content (which would still be the majority of content)?
I'm going to be near my local Best Buy tomorrow, so I'm planning to stop there, see if it's on display and/or ask what they can offer. If they won't price match what's on eBay, perhaps I can convince them to throw in a UHD player.
I really would prefer getting the TV from Best Buy because A) I would get 24 months no finance, so incremental payments and B) it would be easier to exchange/return if necessary.
guitarguy316
Member
Low it limited, full is RGB
Game mode for sure
Real cinema is for 24p content
Game mode and turn everything else off.
electroflame
Member
- Black Level should ideally be on Low (if you keep most of the default settings, especially on Game mode where you don't have the finer adjustments of the ISF modes). Black Level on High did nothing but make the perfect blacks more washed out (on my calibration, at least). Note: you can calibrate around Black Level: High, but in my experience it was easier to get a proper calibration with it set to Low. This setting is more dependent on what your source material is (i.e. whether you're sending the TV RGB Full or Limited content).
- Real Cinema seems to go hand-in-hand with Tru-Motion, in that it's for removing Judder (basically it ensures that frame processing time is consistent).
- If you're playing games, Game mode is a must (especially on the B6). You'll also (supposedly) get a bit of input lag time back if you set your HDMI input's icon to PC (and it enables chroma 4:4:4 support).
Your ideal gaming mode should be Game mode + PC HDMI icon, with Real Cinema and Trumotion off (as well as any additional processing modes turned off).
With a properly calibrated game mode, there's no major motion resolution differences between this and the Panasonic plasma that I used before this new E6. The picture quality of the E6 is so much better, though.
Oh yes, even 1080p content would be far superior on the OLED due to it's panel technology.
So is there any word how long that eBay sale is going to last?
I'm a little worried that I might lose the price if I wait until tomorrow. If I ordered today to be safe, would I still have time to cancel by tomorrow in case Best Buy matched it?
If it's an authorized eBay seller, that means eBay would have me covered in the event of returns/exchanges, right?
I'm a little worried that I might lose the price if I wait until tomorrow. If I ordered today to be safe, would I still have time to cancel by tomorrow in case Best Buy matched it?
If it's an authorized eBay seller, that means eBay would have me covered in the event of returns/exchanges, right?
I think the odds of the sale ending very much overwhelm the odds of Best Buy matching.
It's a legit high-quality e-retailer so yeah Ebay has your back but they are good. At the end of the day you're risking shipping the TV back at your dime b/c you don't like it, but the risk is worth it for the discount.
Pretty sure I wouldn't have any complaints, I'm just worried if I got shipped a faulty TV. According to their return policies, the manufacturer would cover any technical issues with the TV, while they would handle anything caused by damage through transit.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
yeh this sale is not lasting til tomorrow. buy now. bestbuy will absolutely not price match it.
you can pay with PayPal 6 months no interest if you want.
you can pay with PayPal 6 months no interest if you want.
Just one more question. A TV tech buddy of mine cautioned that LG sets tend to have an aggressive amount of ABL (automatic brightness limiter).
Since I've been using LCD/LEDs forever, I don't know for sure if that's a thing that would annoy me or not. More opinions on that would be welcome. He also told me that otherwise the TV is perfect.
I've not noticed it outside of leaving the screen on a static image for a period of time.
That seems to be the case. Googling doesn't seem to bring it up as a widespread problem.
In any case, ordered. I really hope it arrives safely and meets my expectations (and arrives before FFXV...latest date is Nov 30th).
In regards to selling old TV sets, is there a better alternative than Craigslist? I've sold a couple of things from Craigslist before, but I always get antsy meeting people through it (doesn't help I live in Miami).
Darryl M R
Member
Is there a specific company that is leading the way with TVs right now? LG? Samsung? Sony?
It sounds like LG E6 is really recommended but there is no HDR on gaming mode. Hopefully a 2017 version has it. I'll pick it up before Destiny 2 drops
It sounds like LG E6 is really recommended but there is no HDR on gaming mode. Hopefully a 2017 version has it. I'll pick it up before Destiny 2 drops
I'm not 100% sure I'm on top of everything, but I see it like this:
-LG is on top with pushing OLED, which is fabulous tech
-Sony has the best processing and best overall LCD available (but expensive). I'm blown away input lag wasn't a top priority, given PS4 and all that.
-Samsung makes great LCD panels, and a great, well balanced LCD for the money. Input lag is great. (I've had bad luck with buggy firmware but maybe it's better?)
-Vizio has made great strides and has a CTO that is engaged with the community, which is a HUGE plus in my book.
Sadly that's all I'd consider in the US. I'm shocked to put Vizio on this list.
Domcorleone
Member
Damn I think I want the c6p. Are there any downsides to curved screen? Those eBay prices are to friggin good to pass up
Yappadappadu
Member
So did you go with the E6? Congrats, what a sick deal.
Nicely written.
The reflections are a bit distorted, but owners of curved TVs usually get used to it and forget about the curve after a while.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
C6 is curved. Dont do it.
What's wrong with curved? I was gonna get the C6 because its the same price as B6, but has 3D.
rokkerkory
Member
Costco massive sell on TVs soon just got their booklet. Wow
Only you can know if the curve is ok. Some people love it. I had the same thought, save a bit and get 3D but I didn't want a curve. It was a mental discussion at $800 for me, but not at $300.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
precisely.
why go curve when you get get flat plus better design for only $300 more?
Can the speakers be removed like the old Pioneer plasma sets? If not, I can see that as a reason to go C or B.
What did you end up going with?
I actually prefer the minimalist design of the B6/C6. You don't get the glass bezel of the E6, but think Tvs look better sans soundbar.
Yappadappadu
Member
Nope.
mordecaii83
Member
Nothing wrong with curved, I own the 65EG9600 and the 65C6P, love both of them and very happy to have the curved screen.
Edit: I think a lot of people's aversion to curved screens is because edge lit screens have issues with curved displays, but OLEDs do not have those issues.
Futurevoid
Member
Posted this up as a standalone thread. $1499 for the B6/C6 on slickdeals...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308163
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308163
so 4K is the way to go? even if I don't have any 4K media players and still watch DVDs I get from japan becoz buying from japan is hella expensive and I'd rather save a few bucks by buying DVDs instead of blue rays? Likewise at redbox I save a few cents renting DVDs instead of blue ray so I rent those instead?
despite my cheapness, I can put up the extra cash to go 4K. I wonder why it's much cheaper to go 4K on that size versus upping the size to a 48 incher? (it's like $200 more!!!)
anywayz, thanks for the recommendation!
I'm gonna buy it from Best Buy! but again, not gonna open it until the end of the month, in case a better deal comes around between now and BF.
But at $330, I do think it's a good deal!
I usually try to calibrate using Full RGB color space but my DirecTV receiver seems to only output Limited color space. So Black Level Low = Limited and Black Level High = Full.
Good to know about the PC icon. I read somewhere else that we should be using the Game icon to get the lowest lag. Didn't rtings.com show more lag with 4:4:4? I hate having to switch picture modes when changing sources but I haven't gotten game mode dialed in to look as good as the ISF modes yet.
Aztechnology
Member
Yea the nice thing is it's a great quality TV generally, and cheap so if down the line you decide to step up to a nicer 4K full HDR set you'll probably be able to get a nice chunk of your cash back.
I normally hate curved screens but the C6 to me is different.
It's not nearly as obvious as it is with some Samsung curved sets. To me it's pretty subtle.
Also I agree I like the look of the B6/C6 over the E6/G6. The sound bar ruins them for me and I wouldn't even be using them.
For those bringing up the input lag of the LG OLED, I've been trying to find what the input lag on my current TV is to see if it would better or worse.
According to Google, the results have been:
Regular Viewing Mode:
- Movie Mode - 118 ms
- Standard Mode - 100 ms
- Standard Mode - Dynamic Contrast on Low - 100 ms
- Standard Mode - Auto Motion Plus on Clear - 99 ms
- Standard Mode - Auto Motion Plus on Standard - 100 ms
I've been playing on Dynamic picture mode (contrast at 100), so that puts me at 100 ms?
So if that's the case, playing on the LG OLED with HDR would actually decrease my gaming lag (which I wasn't really having a problem with to begin with).
According to Google, the results have been:
Regular Viewing Mode:
- Movie Mode - 118 ms
- Standard Mode - 100 ms
- Standard Mode - Dynamic Contrast on Low - 100 ms
- Standard Mode - Auto Motion Plus on Clear - 99 ms
- Standard Mode - Auto Motion Plus on Standard - 100 ms
I've been playing on Dynamic picture mode (contrast at 100), so that puts me at 100 ms?
So if that's the case, playing on the LG OLED with HDR would actually decrease my gaming lag (which I wasn't really having a problem with to begin with).
mordecaii83
Member
That's the point I've been trying to make in many of my posts, the LG OLED TV's have less input lag than what many people are currently dealing with, so to me the input lag issue is blown somewhat out of proportion.
Going to an OLED from my old Samsung 55" LCD, the Samsung had almost 120ms of input lag and it was a 2013 model as well. I had the 6000 series though.
Just got the C6 because of that other thread..... I heard 3D Content shows more depth on Curve TVs, is that correct?
Doesn't really matter, because I wanted to finally take advantage of 3D Movies...and this OLED TV will finally do the trick. Took awhile for 3D Movies...I was patient...I didn't give up on it.....Finally made it...lol.
electroflame
Member
For what it's worth, ISF modes look better out-of-the-box. Game mode takes some tweaking.
I'm not sure if 4:4:4 adds more input lag or not. If it does, it should only be a "problem" when the TV is receiving a 4:4:4 signal. Even then, I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make. (EDIT: rtings.com says the input lag is the same regardless of 4:4:4, so take that as you will)
I'm really picky when it comes to input lag, but thus far the E6 hasn't been a problem (and I played a few matches of Uncharted 4 multiplayer in HDR earlier). The image quality (especially in HDR) is well worth any small amount of perceivable input lag.
mordecaii83
Member
It was already posted in another thread, but the LG B6 OLED after the new fw update is showing 38ms lag in 4K HDR mode according to Rtings.com!
I went 55E6. I can't do the curve, want 3D, and would need a sound bar one way or another. I do wish it could be removed later.
Milly Osworth
Member
Why is the Samsung KS8000 2000 in Europe and $1000 in America?
Now that more people get OLED TVs, I´ll repost the professionally calibrated settings for a C6. Let me preface them with a couple of points:
- these are my professionally calibrated settings - as every setup is individual, they might not be perfect for your setup, but should provide a very good starting point
- they were done on a C6, so they should also work very good on a E6 that shares the same processor, and give at least a starting point for a B6
- for gaming you do not need gaming mode; as has been pointed out time and again, the input lag values "measured" by RTings are wrong
- this calibration was done before the latest FW update, so it might be necessary to lower the value for OLED light in HDR mode depending on your individual setup
- when calibrating, please calibrate the three modes in the order given below:
ISF Light
Customise
OLED Light 60
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 0
V Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Normal
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.2
White Balance
Color Temperature Warm2
Method 2 Points
Pattern Outer
Point High R-1 G0 B-2
Point Low R0 G0 B0
Color Management System
Red S0 T0 L-4
Green S0 T0 L1
Blue S0 T0 L0
Cyan S0 T0 L1
Magenta S0 T-2 L-2
Yellow S0 T1 L0
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
ISF Dark
Customise
OLED Light 40
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 0
V Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Normal
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.4
White Balance
Color Temperature Warm2
Method 2 Points
Pattern Outer
Point High R4 G0 B0
Point Low R0 G0 B0
Color Management System
Red S-2 T0 L-2
Green S0 T0 L2
Blue S0 T0 L2
Cyan S0 T-2 L2
Magenta S0 T-2 L-1
Yellow S0 T3 L1
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
HDR
(don't forget to go to: General --> HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color; On)
Picture Mode Settings HDR Standard User
Customise
OLED Light 100
Contrast 100
Brightness 50
Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Wide
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.2
White Balance don't change
Color Management System don't change
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
- these are my professionally calibrated settings - as every setup is individual, they might not be perfect for your setup, but should provide a very good starting point
- they were done on a C6, so they should also work very good on a E6 that shares the same processor, and give at least a starting point for a B6
- for gaming you do not need gaming mode; as has been pointed out time and again, the input lag values "measured" by RTings are wrong
- this calibration was done before the latest FW update, so it might be necessary to lower the value for OLED light in HDR mode depending on your individual setup
- when calibrating, please calibrate the three modes in the order given below:
ISF Light
Customise
OLED Light 60
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 0
V Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Normal
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.2
White Balance
Color Temperature Warm2
Method 2 Points
Pattern Outer
Point High R-1 G0 B-2
Point Low R0 G0 B0
Color Management System
Red S0 T0 L-4
Green S0 T0 L1
Blue S0 T0 L0
Cyan S0 T0 L1
Magenta S0 T-2 L-2
Yellow S0 T1 L0
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
ISF Dark
Customise
OLED Light 40
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 0
V Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Normal
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.4
White Balance
Color Temperature Warm2
Method 2 Points
Pattern Outer
Point High R4 G0 B0
Point Low R0 G0 B0
Color Management System
Red S-2 T0 L-2
Green S0 T0 L2
Blue S0 T0 L2
Cyan S0 T-2 L2
Magenta S0 T-2 L-1
Yellow S0 T3 L1
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
HDR
(don't forget to go to: General --> HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color; On)
Picture Mode Settings HDR Standard User
Customise
OLED Light 100
Contrast 100
Brightness 50
Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Wide
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.2
White Balance don't change
Color Management System don't change
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
Yes it is. Depending on your viewing distance, I would even go so far as to say sometimes more than a 65.
Thanks for these. HDR Standard looks absolutely horrible to me no matter what tinkering I do. It's like everything has a yellow filter on it.
Night Hunter
Banned
This is the case, if you are used to watching content in the wrong color temp.
Use the settings I posted for a couple of days, and you´ll get used to them very quickly, as they are much better for your eyes.
On the contrary - after a week with the correct color temp you'll be unable to go back.
Wait, what? Please explain how you came to that conclusion.
The current Bodnar devices are not able to test OLED. They are still waiting for the LG whitepaper to build a suitable device.
So every "test" taken regarding input lag on OLEDs is fundamentally wrong.