mullet2000
Member
Yea. Same thing i said after everyone kept telling me that its only good for HDMI ports 2 and 3..
The specs sheet DOES say all four ports are 2.2.
Maybe someone else can explain what makes ports 2 and 3 special?
Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
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The specs sheet DOES say all four ports are 2.2.
Maybe someone else can explain what makes ports 2 and 3 special?
All 4 ports are HDCP 2.2 complaint, but it doesn't necessarily mean all those ports support Deep Color for HDR.
Yea. Same thing i said after everyone kept telling me that its only good for HDMI ports 2 and 3.
Can you run a frame skipping test? Search Google for ufo frame skipping test and run it. Take a pic of your screen to see if it's skipping frames.
Hdmi 1.4 shouldn't be able to do 4k 60Hz 444. Also are you running 4:2:2 or 4:2:0? Hdmi doesn't have the band with to do 4k 60 hdr 444, so most likely shadow warrior isn't actually running in hdr.
OmegaDL50
Member
Hey, III-V, what would you recommend for a PC Calibration?
I probably will have my PC set to 4:2:2 at 10-Bit so I can utilize HDR on the few PC games that currently support it at the moment such as Shadow Warrior 2.
I am hoping for a calibration that would be suitable for gaming on my PC. I'll be using your settings on my PS4 Pro, but I just need to get some settings ironed down for my PC.
I have the 49 inch version of the X800D if that matters. From what I understand the 49 inch version has an IPS panel, rather than VA like the 43 inch version, so I don't know if that also would require slight tweaks of the calibration as well due to panel differences.
First time I ever tried to calibrate a tv myself, so I'm kind of clueless at the moment.
just read this thread mate - it's obvious the answer is yes..
mullet2000
Member
Okay, I see.
So if I have a PC, PS4 Pro, and One S all hooked up to the TV, one won't be getting full functionality and I'll need to swap hdmi cables around depending on what I'm using to get full benefits.
I was gonna update my old post, but since you replied:
HDMI IN 1/2/3/4 (Support 4K resolution,
HDCP 2.2-compatible)
Video:
4096 × 2160p (60 Hz)*1*2, 4096 × 2160p
(24 Hz)*1, 3840 × 2160p (60 Hz)*2, 3840 ×
2160p (24, 30 Hz), 1080p (30, 60 Hz), 1080/
24p, 1080i (60 Hz), 720p (30, 60 Hz), 720/
24p, 480p, 480i, PC Formats
*1 3840 × 2160p is displayed when 4096 ×
2160p is input.
*2 HDMI IN 2 / 3 only.
https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=XBR43X800D&LOC=3#/manualsTab
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/63061/c/65,66/kw/HDR
I'm on mobile, so apologies for not being able to copy everything, but essentially, yes, if you want HDR, you need your consoles and PC on HDMI 2 or 3 because of 4K 60 Hz compatibility and Deep Color (10 bit) support.
Exactly. Gotta do the same, if you happen to buy a splitter to resolve this that works for 4K HDR, let us now which one
I'm kinda inclined to do it but it seems like such a crapshoot.I would love to be corrected, but the only splitter I know of that's possible for 4K HDR is the HD Fury Integral. That's outside of most average consumer budgets however. And most other splitters purported might do 4K at best, but no HDR.Exactly. Gotta do the same, if you happen to buy a splitter to resolve this that works for 4K HDR, let us now which one
For now, I'm just running PC and PS4 Pro to HDMI 2 & 3. I use my XB1S the least, so having it on 1 or 4 isn't too bad. Eventually though, I'm going to need a solution to give me everything.
All ports do 4k at 24hz and 30hz guaranteed. The question is whether ports 1 and 4 allow 4k/60hz. HDMI 2.0 has enough juice to allow 5k/60fps which is different from 4k/30hz etc.
I would put whatever you have that has HDR content on 2 and 3 for now, and keep other things on 1 and 4 for 4K output. The manual and marketing materials are somewhat misleading because it says tv signal that it does 4k/60hz but then the manual says 2 and 3 HDMI only.
I would put whatever you have that has HDR content on 2 and 3 for now, and keep other things on 1 and 4 for 4K output. The manual and marketing materials are somewhat misleading because it says tv signal that it does 4k/60hz but then the manual says 2 and 3 HDMI only.
Ok, so a PC is typically set to work in RGB, so if you are going to focus on YUV422, you will need to calibrate for limited (as opposed to full) settings. Most of the settings I posted aren't panel specific, so they should be fine.
Here is what I recommend tweaking for each individual display:
Brightness: (this is the backlight) needs to be set for comfortable viewing. In dim/dark, set it low, for bright rooms, set it higher.
Contrast: use the contrast test patter to test this. Do not be surprised if you can 'max' it out without clipping
Black Level: (this is traditionally called brightness on 95% of displays) this is critical for properly setting your darkest black and blacker than black.
Sharpness: This filter adds noise the image to help eyes pick out sharp lines, angles and edges. Its good in small amounts, and detrimental when set too high.
I would advise you to focus on the luminance (as above) first, it really is about 80% of the battle.
D/L the AVS 709 disc and run it (in limited YUV422), and follow the instructional videos. They are not long to watch and really should explain most everything.
Realize you won't really be able to calibrate for HDR... yet, there are no patterns that can be done by eye.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html
My friend got the EU version of 43X800D. It works fine with PS4 Pro, but he has a big issue when he connected it to PC [Asus Strix Radeon 470X]. Every 10-15 seconds the screen goes briefly black and turns back with TV showing the reconnection info. The TV shows that 2160p resolution is active even when he sets his PC to output in 1080p.
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
sound like a hdmi handshake issue. Try updating the firmware if possible.
I think I've got everything set up now - picture looks good, HDR working, inputs named and it can even control the Sky box! That's a brilliant feature.
The one slight disappointment is that even though it supports connecting a DS4 right there on the home screen, it won't pass the TV audio through to the 3.5mm jack on the DS4. Would have been really nice for night time TV watching.
I have a couple of very small annoyances that I wonder if anyone has encountered and managed to fix:
1. When I press the Action Menu button, there's some sort of social / tweet thing that seemingly picks a random topic. I have no idea how it gets this info but I know I'll never ever use Twitter through the TV - is there a way to disable this?
2. I've set the TV remote to control my AV receiver's volume, which works fine - except for the volume being shown on the screen by the TV not corresponding to the actual volume. I set it to 0 to see if that fixed it but the volume goes something like this:
AVR 0 TV 0
AVR 1 TV 1
AVR 2 TV 2
AVR 3 TV 5 (?!)
AVR 4 TV 6
AVR 5 TV 8
etc etc so at volume 36, the TV is showing about 48. It's hardly a massive inconvenience but it's just strange, almost seems like a bug.
The one slight disappointment is that even though it supports connecting a DS4 right there on the home screen, it won't pass the TV audio through to the 3.5mm jack on the DS4. Would have been really nice for night time TV watching.
I have a couple of very small annoyances that I wonder if anyone has encountered and managed to fix:
1. When I press the Action Menu button, there's some sort of social / tweet thing that seemingly picks a random topic. I have no idea how it gets this info but I know I'll never ever use Twitter through the TV - is there a way to disable this?
2. I've set the TV remote to control my AV receiver's volume, which works fine - except for the volume being shown on the screen by the TV not corresponding to the actual volume. I set it to 0 to see if that fixed it but the volume goes something like this:
AVR 0 TV 0
AVR 1 TV 1
AVR 2 TV 2
AVR 3 TV 5 (?!)
AVR 4 TV 6
AVR 5 TV 8
etc etc so at volume 36, the TV is showing about 48. It's hardly a massive inconvenience but it's just strange, almost seems like a bug.
Here.
Pretty sure its looking like the good sample here.
Bad sample.
I also took a pic of Shadowrun with HDR and without, as well with the setting showing up that it is recognizing HDR.
The difference is quite significant. Colors are sharper and there is a wider range of them.With HDR
WIthout HDR
Just for reference, the game is running on highest settings, at 4k and it doesn't drop from 60fps. Its good. Using the GTX 1080.
Also, took some screens of my settings, for people asking for my pc settings.
Sorry for the image heavy post.
This is an awesome idea!! never thought about it either. I'v ebene struggling trying to find a solution for wireless headphones for the tv for when i use the wiiU. The wiiU is so dumb that some games won't stream all the audio through the sound jack of the pad. Its so annoying. For PC, Ps4 and XB1S i have options.
Also, it was a big letdown that the tv doesn't support the Bose wireless noise cancelling headphones, because the Andriod TV side of it doesn't support the format. =\
Thats a big yes.
^ thx for running frame skip test! Curious is that the 49 or 43?
Ok so looks like all the hdmis are full blown hdmi 2.0 with hdr support, at least on a pc.
Has anyone had problems in hdmi 1 or 4 getting hdr to work on a console?
Lastly do we know if the $600/$650 pricing is temporary sale pricing or does it look like that's the new standard prices?
Ok so looks like all the hdmis are full blown hdmi 2.0 with hdr support, at least on a pc.
Has anyone had problems in hdmi 1 or 4 getting hdr to work on a console?
Lastly do we know if the $600/$650 pricing is temporary sale pricing or does it look like that's the new standard prices?
nice contribution, thanks!
49"
I thought they all did 4k/60hz. I didn't know they all did HDR too? But in retrospect. We only went by the manual.
I will try 4K and HDR in input 4 right now. Input one is a hassle to try and reach for me.
Absolutely. Money actually wasn't my biggest concern, but I am pretty pragmatic and realize that right now probably is not the right time to buy into a high end 4K HDR set that you'll really be happy with for 3+ years. At least I don't see one on the market right now that I would feel good about purchasing for that purpose. So the X800D is filling a really useful role for me where I can enjoy 4K and HDR to a solid extent and won't feel bad about setting aside sometime in the next 12-24 months for a true high end 4K HDR display. It feels like the industry is on the cusp of a big push in this direction, similar to how things shook out with 1080p "HD" displays.
Are you running in 8 bit 4:2:0?
On hdmi 1 and hdmi 4 at 4k 60Hz in Nvidia control panel the only option I have is 8 bit and 4:2:0.
49x800d.
This happened to me when I didn't have the HDMI format set to Enhanced (TV Home -> Settings -> External Inputs -> HDMI Format), because at first if I had it set to Enhanced my PC wasn't detecting the display automatically. After setting it to Enhanced I had to go into the NVidia control panel and actually enable the second display, at which point I could choose more appropriate settings.
Yeah, in the NVidia control panel under Display Settings -> Set up Multiple Displays (bottom option in that tree). You should see the TV show up in the list as SONY TV *00; check the box next to that entry and you can set it up with the proper settings.
How typical is the backlight bleed along the top of the panel on this tv?
It's pretty bad on my 49x800d.
Regretting returning my 55h8c which had zero bleed for this right now. Blacks are also no where near as good because of the ips panel. Pq in general is slightly worse imo too, though I haven't had time to calibrate, but our of the box I'm not really impressed. May end up returning and getting an h8c again. Colors do seem a bit better and hdr video on Netflix and Amazon seems to be somewhat more noticeable.
If I exchange for a different x800d will there still likely be bleed along the top of the panel? Super annoying with black barred movies and dark scenes even full screen.
It's pretty bad on my 49x800d.
Regretting returning my 55h8c which had zero bleed for this right now. Blacks are also no where near as good because of the ips panel. Pq in general is slightly worse imo too, though I haven't had time to calibrate, but our of the box I'm not really impressed. May end up returning and getting an h8c again. Colors do seem a bit better and hdr video on Netflix and Amazon seems to be somewhat more noticeable.
If I exchange for a different x800d will there still likely be bleed along the top of the panel? Super annoying with black barred movies and dark scenes even full screen.
This is what shows up for me. But i also can do this.
What card are you using? or are you using the ps4?
Have you done a chroma test?
Hdmi 2.0 does not have the band with to do 444 10 bit much less 12 bit. So something is up with that.
I have to retest with this second monitor thing. Are you doing a second monitor set up like Wallach?
A gtx 1070.
Is there way you can send a picture of your blacks. Go to youtube app. Run a black screen test video and then take a pic. Should show best if you have the lights off as well.
Nope. This is the only display hooked up to my consoles and rig.
I guess i can check the Chroma Test. Let me google it.
EDIT: i can read the last two lines no problem. Took a photo.
I don't think the camera does justice to it, but its still readable. Does this count?
Well, it would depending on what resolution he is actually running. brau's resolution is not shown in those images.
Well right but I'm assuming were talking about 4k
You Are running at 4k 12 bit 444 60Hz? Technically that shouldn't be possible.
Try a chroma test to see if you're willing.
Yeah, but I point it out because the "native" resolution detected by this set will be 1920 x 1080 rather than 3840 x 2160.
Like the one i did on my last post? Linke me up and i'll do the test.
I checked online and saw this one.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1640299
This last one shows a lot clearer on real time than with the photo.
Does it matter what type of HDMI cable im using? I use these.
Yeah that's definitely not 444.
So would this be 4.4.4 if i had it connected to HDMI ports 2 or 3?
Yes.
But only 8 bit. You can't run 10 bit 444. Hdmi lacks the bandwith.
Devs aren't making games for 10 bit anyway on pc so you don't need 10 bit. I don't know if shadow warrior is recommended to run 10 bit 422 or 8 bit 444.
I guess i can check. I'll plug it in and report.
I guess this will only matter for HDR then? PC is totally ok to be on port 1?
Thanks! Yeah I would but I'm with my gf and she got sick of me tinkering with the tv like 2 hours ago lol.
Well, if you don't read a lot of text, it's ok, but pc is usually 444 so you may notice colors being a bit off in games and video content.
Black Republican
Member
so is game mode always suggested for all games? or just the ones that require quick reponses like shooters/fighting etc
Gives you the lowest input lag. Though you shouldn't have an issue playing single player games. What you can also try and do is enable game mode, but change some settings to try and mimic standard or vivid, ie change color temp to warm or neutral, increase live color to medium or low, tinker with the black level settings.
Akibastman
Member
HI GAF,
This thread almost convinced me to buy this Sony 4K TV since I'm gonna buy the PS4 Pro sooner or later.
But recently, a friend sent me this reddit thread about Sony TV's being terrible: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/5edhty/psa_sony_removes_90_pages_thread_on_their/
Any of you guys have the problems mentioned ?
This thread almost convinced me to buy this Sony 4K TV since I'm gonna buy the PS4 Pro sooner or later.
But recently, a friend sent me this reddit thread about Sony TV's being terrible: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/5edhty/psa_sony_removes_90_pages_thread_on_their/
Any of you guys have the problems mentioned ?