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[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I'm an avid Star Wars fan. Seen all the movies since I was a toddler over and over again. I didn't think this was possible but this might just be my favorite Star Wars movie yet. Don't get me wrong, I love Force Awakens, A new Hope, and Empire Strikes Back to death but wow I'm completely floored by this movie. I need to re-watch it against several other Star Wars movies before I finally decide if it's my favorite or not but I think they definitely topped Force Awakens and I think they may actually be standing toe to toe with ESB. If someone told me months ago that this movie might become my favorite Star Wars movie I would have said they were full of shit. What a surprise.

 

[sphagnum]

the same reason people think Rey is a clone reincarnation of Anakin

Imagine if all the weird sequel trilogy rumors were true.

Rey is Anakin reincarnated, the granddaughter of Obi-Wan and Satine. Or maybe Aphra.
The Rogue One team are the Knights of Ren.
Snoke is Ezra. Also Plagueis. Also Vader's butler. Also Mace Windu.
Finn is Lando and Zare’s son but also Rae Sloane's.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

To quote an old Italian restaurant owner I know, "How you know all dis"

Some review from a bigger site I saw earlier, might have been the Collider spoiler review.

 

[duckroll]

Anyone else get the feeling that the droid was inspired by HK-47 from the KOTOR game? Just seemed like a lot of similarities and his smart ass lines seemed a lot like HK.

Yes I don't think there is any question that it's a spiritual successor to HK47 as a character concept. A lot of Rogue One in general draws from the old EU in Star Wars rather than from the actual films. The action were setpieces you would find in the games and novels, and the Vader stuff feels like it's inspired by his comic appearances.

 

[Killer Queen]

Honestly does anyone actually like the Smoke=Plagueius theory?

 

[AgeEighty]

It doesn't matter. She's lying. she knows it. Vader knows it, but what proof does he have? Her cover is that she's on a diplomatic mission. Leia is still a member of the senate. He can't just kill her.

Also it was small line in movie, but Vader mentions that no one is supposed to really know of the Death Star. This is echoed in ANH as well when the imperial command is discussing how to use the battle station and how the Senate would reject such a weapon.

Their dialogue just doesn't fit. They were both just involved in a massive attack on an Imperial base, and that never comes up once? Their banter suggests that he caught her after a long intelligence-gathering investigation, and that he believed she was trying to discreetly sneak the info to the Rebellion, but there was nothing sneaky or discreet about what happened in this film.

 

[Teggy]

The super odd thing is that he doesn't do anything that relates to his prior occupation. You see when you are building this type of suicide squad you need a small team of experts (demolitions, heavy ordinance/tank, pilot, spy, technical expert, etc.) but the Rogue One team is really haphazard and doesn't use it's characters appropriately. Why didn't cargo pilot do any actual piloting?

He flies the imperial shuttle and is literally the reason they are able to get in the imperial base. He is told to stay on the shuttle because he is the only one who can get them out.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Honestly does anyone actually like the Smoke=Plagueius theory?

Not really.

It's better than the Snoke = Vader's Butler theory that's cropped up in the last 24 hours.

 

[Crosseyes]

But there's no point to even trying to lie in that situation. And it's not just Leia's lie that doesn't fit, Vader's lines don't really make sense either. He acts like he tracked her down after a long hunt and caught her in the act of trying to be sneaky, not like all he did was chase her in his ship. If they had both just been involved in a massive attack on an Imperial base hours before, you'd think that would come up in conversation.

I really can't fathom how any lie a politician would tell Vader when assisting the alliance would seem like it wouldn't fit. That's just how politic stuff works.

"I deny any and all involvement with ______" is exactly what politicians say when involved with anything even if caught red handed and completely obvious. I mean actual real politicians do this all the damn time.

The opening of New Hope could be literally minutes after the end of Rogue One and that would make perfect sense to me. Vader took part in the battle, then chased down the ship and fought against the guards on the ship before capturing Leia. Makes just perfect sense to me.

 

[Back-In-Black]

He flies the imperial shuttle and is literally the reason they are able to get in the imperial base. He is told to stay on the shuttle because he is the only one who can get them out.

Read the rest of my post. Him flying the imperial shuttle into Sariff is the only time he pilots something and it's a simple job. How exactly can he be the only one to fly them out when we've already seen that Cassian has amazing piloting skills and K2 is fluent in Imperial protocols.

 

[Hawk269]

Yes I don't think there is any question that it's a spiritual successor to HK47 as a character concept. A lot of Rogue One in general draws from the old EU in Star Wars rather than from the actual films. The action were setpieces you would find in the games and novels, and the Vader stuff feels like it's inspired by his comic appearances.

Yeah, I really love how Vader was portrayed in this. As a younger person when I watched the original trilogy, Vader was always this bad guy and evil and all that shit, but the movies never really showed it very much...the way they portrayed him in this film is what I always wanted to see...it makes me want to see a movie that takes place shortly after Revenge of the Sith.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Honestly does anyone actually like the Snoke=Plagueius theory?

I'm sorry....I kind of do....Though I really hate CG Plagueius. The idea that the two are the same person I am interested in. But just like anything good, I think that's a real easy idea to fuck up and make terrible. It might even diminish the greatness of Palpatine if he couldn't even finish off his sleeping master. So maybe I've talked myself out of it and I don't like it. Shit, I don't know.

Their dialogue just doesn't fit. They were both just involved in a massive attack on an Imperial base, and that never comes up once? Their banter suggests that he caught her after a long intelligence-gathering investigation, and that he believed she was trying to discreetly sneak the info to the Rebellion, but there was nothing sneaky or discreet about what happened in this film.

My biggest complaint is that we're all having to re-evaluate the opening of A New Hope for a silly reason that they could have easily just avoided. Her being at the fight truly adds nothing, so why be there? I'm not a fan. And yeah. It makes that opening dialogue in A New Hope really awkward.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Their dialogue just doesn't fit. They were both just involved in a massive attack on an Imperial base, and that never comes up once?

"I have traced the rebel spies to her."

He very literally did this in Rogue One.

It still fits. You just now have a real conception of how baldfaced their lie was.

"We intercepted no transmission! This is a consular ship!"

The whole thing is now not only very violent and mean spirited, it's an AMAZING game of who can be more passive aggressive.

"I deny any and all involvement with ______" is exactly what politicians say when involved with anything even if caught red handed and completely obvious. I mean actual real politicians do this all the damn time.

The opening of New Hope could be literally minutes after the end of Rogue One and that would make perfect sense to me. Vader took part in the battle, then chased down the ship and fought against the guards on the ship before capturing Leia. Makes just perfect sense to me.

YUP

 

[LastNac]

Yes I don't think there is any question that it's a spiritual successor to HK47 as a character concept. A lot of Rogue One in general draws from the old EU in Star Wars rather than from the actual films. The action were setpieces you would find in the games and novels, and the Vader stuff feels like it's inspired by his comic appearances.

It really did feel like "EU the Movie" in a good way. Particularly how it opened the universe up more.

 

[sphagnum]

The whole thing is now not only very violent and mean spirited, it's an AMAZING game of who can be more passive aggressive.

Like father like daughter.

 

[Teggy]

Read the rest of my post. Him flying the imperial shuttle into Sariff is the only time he pilots something and it's a simple job. How exactly can he be the only one to fly them out when we've already seen that Cassian has amazing piloting skills and K2 is fluent in Imperial protocols.

I think it's his knowledge of the imperial protocols from being an imperial pilot, not his specific flying skills.

 

[AgeEighty]

I really can't fathom how any lie a politician would tell Vader when assisting the alliance would seem like it wouldn't fit. That's just how politic stuff works.

"I deny any and all involvement with ______" is exactly what politicians say when involved with anything even if caught red handed and completely obvious. I mean actual real politicians do this all the damn time.

The opening of New Hope could be literally minutes after the end of Rogue One and that would make perfect sense to me. Vader took part in the battle, then chased down the ship and fought against the guards on the ship before capturing Leia. Makes just perfect sense to me.

I know that's what happened, it's just that they don't act like that's what happened, and it's not what they describe as having happened. And while you could argue Leia has a reason to lie in that situation, you can't argue that Vader does.

"You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Because I watched this ship taking part in the huge battle that just happened at our base, and I even tried to board you once already."

I'm not saying you can't make it awkwardly fit, it's just that it's a weird conversation to have in light of what it turns out had just happened.

"I have traced the rebel spies to her."

He very literally did this in Rogue One.

It still fits. You just now have a real conception of how baldfaced their lie was.

"We intercepted no transmission! This is a consular ship!"

The whole thing is now not only very violent and mean spirited, it's an AMAZING game of who can be more passive aggressive.

YUP

Nah man. "If this is a consular ship, where is the ambassador? Also why were you shooting at me back at that big battle we just had?" Why would Vader play along with that little farce? That's not his style.

 

[Boke1879]

I really can't fathom how any lie a politician would tell Vader when assisting the alliance would seem like it wouldn't fit. That's just how politic stuff works.

"I deny any and all involvement with ______" is exactly what politicians say when involved with anything even if caught red handed and completely obvious. I mean actual real politicians do this all the damn time.

The opening of New Hope could be literally minutes after the end of Rogue One and that would make perfect sense to me. Vader took part in the battle, then chased down the ship and fought against the guards on the ship before capturing Leia. Makes just perfect sense to me.

Yea that's how I look at it. Right at the beginning of ANH they ships are literally shooting at each other. Vader and the troopers board and take out the small set of rebel soldiers.

She lies and says she on a diplomatic mission. Of course Vader knows she's lying, but he has no proof. The plans aren't on the ship anymore.

 

[Malyse]

We're not. My original post wasn't passing judgment on the decision to recognize the prequels, nor meant to be a big deal. It's just a small thought I remembered while reading the thread.

I didn't keep up with Disney's stance on the canonicity of the prequels and so it took me by genuine surprise, that's all.

Fortunately, I *just* made a whole thread about what is and isn't canon.

 

[Back-In-Black]

I think it's his knowledge of the imperial protocols from being an imperial pilot, not his specific flying skills.

Read the rest of my post. Him flying the imperial shuttle into Sariff is the only time he pilots something and it's a simple job. How exactly can he be the only one to fly them out when we've already seen that Cassian has amazing piloting skills and K2 is fluent in Imperial protocols.

I'll just quote myself.

 

[rekameohs]

This was a bizarre movie. I think I liked it? But not that much. Definitely not as much as The Force Awakens, but I think it was still pretty solid. You could definitely tell there was a lot of production trouble. I'm glad at least that the tone and style were very different than traditional Star Wars; that gives me hope for future standalone movies to be unique from the "Episodes". The action was very well shot in this, I think, but the characters were quite thin - a huge step down from the excellent character writing in The Force Awakens. I really liked the retcon of Mads purposely creating the flaw in the Death Star, though. Some of the minor cameos like Cantina dudes were lame, but that was a real solid link to the original and explaining a commonly mocked plot point. And all of the Vader stuff was great; I'll ignore his stupid one liner, though...!

Also, name the monster in After Earth Ursa and the main character in Rogue One Erso? C'mon Whitta.

 

[Killer Queen]

Not really.

It's better than the Snoke = Vader's Butler theory that's cropped up in the last 24 hours.

I'd just prefer if he was a new character. Maybe one of the original Sith before their ranks got wiped out and they made the rule of two.

Having Snoke be Plagueius is fucked because it ruins the entire thing Vader and Sidious had going.
Sidious kills his master Plagueius, becomes new master, takes on apprentice until he finds Vader. But if he never really killed Plagueius it makes Vader and Sidious look like a pair of losers.

But at least if he's an OG sith then he can maybe teach Kylo stuff that was lost to the order through the rule of two, isn't bogged down by prior lore and doesn't rely on it and makes room for all kinds of new stuff. Like making an order of sith rather than just two.

I'm sorry....I kind of do....Though I really hate CG Plagueius. The idea that the two are the same person I am interested in. But just like anything good, I think that's a real easy idea to fuck up and make terrible. It might even diminish the greatness of Palpatine if he couldn't even finish off his sleeping master. So maybe I've talked myself out of it and I don't like it. Shit, I don't know.

See. Let's just have him be someone new.

 

[duckroll]

So, in light of how the first Star Wars Story film turned out pretty well, I'm really curious... what could we have gotten from Josh Trank if he didn't... erm... shit the bed?

 

[Davide]

So this far exceeding my best expectations. It may even be my favourite of the series.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Interesting...in the opening crawl of A New Hope, it states Leia is on her way home to deliver the plans, so she isn't heading to Obi-Wan.

Fortunately, I *just* made a whole thread about what is and isn't canon.

Fuuuuuck. Now I will have this song stuck in my head all damn night while trying to sleep.

See. Let's just have him be someone new.

I suppose as long as it isn't a complete curveball, like Qui-Gon Snoke or something....

 

[Hawk269]

Yea that's how I look at it. Right at the beginning of ANH they ships are literally shooting at each other. Vader and the troopers board and take out the small set of rebel soldiers.

She lies and says she on a diplomatic mission. Of course Vader knows she's lying, but he has no proof. The plans aren't on the ship anymore.

About a few hours after watching Rogue One I watched ANH and it blends in fine and it does seem like it could of been minutes after RO ends where ANH starts. In RO you see Leia's ship go in to warp drive, Vader's ship could of followed behind not too far. In the beginning of ANH, Leia's ship is not in warp and is approaching a moon/planet with the Star Destroyer on her ass. To me it fits in perfectly and the banter between Leia and Vader seems even more clear that they know it is a lie, but there is no proof and Vader can't find the plans for the DS and her being part of the Senate he can't just stab her with his Saber.

 

[Teggy]

I'll just quote myself.

Is he? Wasn't he reprogrammed?

 

[sphagnum]

So, in light of how the first Star Wars Story film turned out pretty well, I'm really curious... what could we have gotten from Josh Trank if he didn't... erm... shit the bed?

It would've been the Boba Fett movie. I hope they still go through with it, but only if it's old, tired, post RotJ Boba. Have him on a last mission where he has to compete with Cad Bane or something. I just want Tem back in the franchise.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Honestly does anyone actually like the Smoke=Plagueius theory?

I think all the theories are getting a bit much at this point.
I love a good theory but man some come from literally nowhere an blow me away.

Like today I heard a legitimate discussion that, Sabine from Rebels is not only Obi-Wan and Satine's daughter but Rey's mother at the same time...

I'mm all for Rey Kenobi and i'm all for Sabine being related to Bo-katan or even Satine and Obi-Wan but come on now.

 

[Killer Queen]

This needs to be said in every star wars thread:
Fuck
Boba
Fett

I think all the theories are getting a bit much at this point.
I love a good theory but man some come from literally nowhere an blow me away.

Like today I heard a legitimate discussion that, Sabine from Rebels is not only Obi-Wan and Satine's daughter but Rey's mother at the same time...

Like im all for Rey Kenobi and Sabine being related to Satine or Bo-katan but come on now.

I've not watched Rebels so all this is lost on me but yeah, most of these theories are grasping at air and hoping to catch a fish.

 

[Back-In-Black]

Their dialogue just doesn't fit. They were both just involved in a massive attack on an Imperial base, and that never comes up once? Their banter suggests that he caught her after a long intelligence-gathering investigation, and that he believed she was trying to discreetly sneak the info to the Rebellion, but there was nothing sneaky or discreet about what happened in this film.

A consular ship on a diplomatic mission that happened to fire on an Imperial vessel, you know the government, and resisted said government troops when they boarded? That'd be like a bunch of terrorists shooting it out in a boat chase with the U.S. Navy and then when they finally got bordered were like, "nah, we were just trying to deliver some aid and medical supplies to Syria. Sorry, for shooting at you."

The "diplomatic mission" was always a bald faced lie.

Is he? Wasn't he reprogrammed?

To follow the orders of the Rebellion, he specifically mentions being fluent in Imperial protocols as a reason why he shouldn't be left behind on Jedha.

 

[Teggy]

It would've been the Boba Fett movie. I hope they still go through with it, but only if it's old, tired, post RotJ Boba. Have him on a last mission where he has to compete with Cad Bane or something. I just want Tem back in the franchise.

It can be a story about Boba Fett being a hero and at the end you find out it's just Boba going insane while being digested.

 

[Crosseyes]

I know that's what happened, it's just that they don't act like that's what happened, and it's not what they describe as having happened. And while you could argue Leia has a reason to lie in that situation, you can't argue that Vader does.

"You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Because I watched this ship taking part in the huge battle that just happened at our base, and I even tried to board you once already."

That would be the classic play into a politician's trap though! Throwing out very true and obvious accusations at a politician is playing right into their trap!

"Those are outrageous accusations Lord Vader we have records of our diplomatic intent on this mission and my allies in the senate will know about these outlandish attacks on my character and loyalty to the empire."

Politics man.

 

[Boke1879]

Interesting...in the opening crawl of A New Hope, it states Leia is on her way home to deliver the plans, so she isn't heading to Obi-Wan.


Fuuuuuck. Now I will have this song stuck in my head all damn night while trying to sleep.

This movie makes it seem like she was going to Tatooine to recruit Obi-wan bring him with her. But that was clearly compromised when Vader caught up to their ship.

 

[Cross-Section]

So, in light of how the first Star Wars Story film turned out pretty well, I'm really curious... what could we have gotten from Josh Trank if he didn't... erm... shit the bed?

A Tony Gilroy film.

 

[AgeEighty]

That would be the classic play into a politician's trap though! Throwing out very true and obvious accusations at a politician is playing right into their trap!

"Those are outrageous accusations Lord Vader we have records of our diplomatic intent on this mission and my allies in the senate will know about these outlandish attacks on my character and loyalty to the empire."

Politics man.

Vader isn't a politician. He's expressed nothing but disdain for politics going all the way back to Episode II. He's always been very direct and to-the-point. He doesn't play those kind of games and never has. He's a blunt instrument.

Also his "choking" pun in the earlier scene was dire. That Force choke was another thing that felt like it was added to the film to check a box.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I've not watched Rebels so all this is lost on me but yeah, most of these theories are grasping at air and hoping to catch a fish.

I'd kill for the Satine and Obi-Wan thing to be true, but I don't believe.

 

[Killer Queen]

I'd kill for the Satine and Obi-Wan thing to be true, but I don't believe.

Man, who do I gotta heckle at Netflix to get rebels. I feel like I'm missing out on so much.

 

[Hawk269]

This movie makes it seem like she was going to Tatooine to recruit Obi-wan bring him with her. But that was clearly compromised when Vader caught up to their ship.

This. Although the crawl text on ANH says she is going home, she is obviously near Tat since the excape pods is released right above Tat and that is where R2 and C3 ends up. The crawls just does not go into the "Leia is on her way home to deliver the plans, but first she needs to make a quick pit-stop to pick up an old Jedi called Obi Wan".

 

[Bobby Roberts]

This movie makes it seem like she was going to Tatooine to recruit Obi-wan bring him with her. But that was clearly compromised when Vader caught up to their ship.

Yup. Get the plans, pick up Ben, swing back to Yavin. That was the plan.

What happened was they got jacked over Tatooine, they stuck the plans in a trashcan, shot him and his dickhead friend at a dirtball, they wandered around until DARTH VADER'S KID fuckin bought em, at which point the trashcan bolted, got found by Ben after Vader's kid got his ass whipped, they sold Luke's car to pay for an Uber to Alderaan, only to get there just after the Death Star told Leia to go fuck herself by committing total genocide, and PUT THE PLANS IMMEDIATELY BACK ON THE DEATH STAR.

At which point (this is great) they somehow manage to shut off the tractor beam for the whole moon-sized hurt-ball, break out the princess, fall into and escape from a really surreal sewer system, and get back in the ship... which is ALLOWED TO TAKE OFF. WITH THE PLANS ON BOARD. So that the Death Star can track them back to Yavin.

Now contrast the level of seriousness and sacrifice over these plans in Rogue One with the frankly fuckin' Looney Tunes level of lackadaisical treatment towards them in Star Wars.

It's GREAT.

 

[Crosseyes]

Vader isn't a politician. He's expressed nothing but disdain for politics going all the way back to Episode II. He's always been very direct and to-the-point. He doesn't play those kind of games and never has.

Also his "choking" pun in the earlier scene was dire. That was another thing that felt like it was added to the film to check a box.

Yeah, he's not. He really got his whole life derailed by one and probably wouldn't have doomed billions if he was better at it! Probably wised up on when and where he could unleash emotional accusations after that.

As for the pun... Yeah I can see how that could irk people. It was a bit weird for me too but not cringe-worthy. Sarcastic Vader through the rest of that conversation was spot on perfect along with him kicking ass when boarding the ship.

 

[soldat7]

Anyone else also wondering what Vader does in his free time at the castle haha

Facetimes with his brah Sauron via palantir. The talk about lava flows, seasonal depression, and their tiny vulnerabilities.

(I didn't like Grandpa Vader until the final scene. Plus his helmet was...a bit off to me...)

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Yup. Get the plans, pick up Ben, swing back to Yavin. That was the plan.

What happened was they got jacked over Tatooine, they stuck the plans in a trashcan, shot him and his dickhead friend at a dirtball, they wandered around until DARTH VADER'S KID fuckin bought em, at which point the trashcan bolted, got found by Ben after Vader's kid got his ass whipped, they sold Luke's car to pay for an Uber to Alderaan, only to get there just after the Death Star told Leia to go fuck herself by committing total genocide, and PUT THE PLANS IMMEDIATELY BACK ON THE DEATH STAR.

At which point (this is great) they somehow manage to shut off the tractor beam for the whole moon-sized hurt-ball, break out the princess, fall into and escape from a really surreal sewer system, and get back in the ship... which is ALLOWED TO TAKE OFF. WITH THE PLANS ON BOARD. So that the Death Star can track them back to Yavin.

Now contrast the level of seriousness and sacrifice over these plans in Rogue One with the frankly fuckin' Looney Tunes level of lackadaisical treatment towards them in Star Wars.

It's GREAT.

Of all the things I want to say about this, I'm going to bite my tongue and only ask one thing---

---why is C3PO a dickhead?!

 

[Doikor]

Their dialogue just doesn't fit. They were both just involved in a massive attack on an Imperial base, and that never comes up once? Their banter suggests that he caught her after a long intelligence-gathering investigation, and that he believed she was trying to discreetly sneak the info to the Rebellion, but there was nothing sneaky or discreet about what happened in this film.

Officially the death star doesn't exist yet. I doubt the battle they just escaped happened on officially either as that would require the Empire to admit that the death star exists. In that case a politician can easily just say "nope we are on a diplomatic mission I don't have a clue why you are after me". Politics is weird and quite often has little to do with reality. I mean look at Russia today. "No we are not invading Ukraine that is just lies" even though Ukraine has multiple Russian paratroopers captured.

 

[MMarston]

Yup. Get the plans, pick up Ben, swing back to Yavin. That was the plan.

What happened was they got jacked over Tatooine, they stuck the plans in a trashcan, shot him and his dickhead friend at a dirtball, they wandered around until DARTH VADER'S KID fuckin bought em, at which point the trashcan bolted, got found by Ben after Vader's kid got his ass whipped, they sold Luke's car to pay for an Uber to Alderaan, only to get there just after the Death Star told Leia to go fuck herself by committing total genocide, and PUT THE PLANS IMMEDIATELY BACK ON THE DEATH STAR.

At which point (this is great) they somehow manage to shut off the tractor beam for the whole moon-sized hurt-ball, break out the princess, fall into and escape from a really surreal sewer system, and get back in the ship... which is ALLOWED TO TAKE OFF. WITH THE PLANS ON BOARD. So that the Death Star can track them back to Yavin.

Now contrast the level of seriousness and sacrifice over these plans in Rogue One with the frankly fuckin' Looney Tunes level of lackadaisical treatment towards them in Star Wars.

It's GREAT.

A REBELLION BUILT ON HOPE WINGING IT

 

[sphagnum]

Vader isn't a politician. He's expressed nothing but disdain for politics going all the way back to Episode II. He's always been very direct and to-the-point. He doesn't play those kind of games and never has. He's a blunt instrument.

Seeing him try to explain the political complexity of the Clone Wars to Ahsoka in TCW was hilarious. "The Republic are the good guys and the Separatists are the bad guys. Some people say we're corrupt but they're wrong."

 

[Dorsal Axe]

This. Although the crawl text on ANH says she is going home, she is obviously near Tat since the excape pods is released right above Tat and that is where R2 and C3 ends up. The crawls just does not go into the "Leia is on her way home to deliver the plans, but first she needs to make a quick pit-stop to pick up an old Jedi called Obi Wan".

Mission priorities obviously changed once she obtained the plans, and Vader joined the party over Scarif.

 

[rekameohs]

Yeah, the urgency with which the plans were handled in Rogue One does seem way off compared to the general lackadaisicalness in the original Star Wars, especially since they apparently happen right after one another. Oh well, such is the price of needing a film climax!

 

[OricWindstar]

Of all the things I want to say about this, I'm going to bite my tongue and only ask one thing---

---why is C3PO a dickhead?!

I mean, he is. That's sort of his character.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Mission priorities obviously changed once she obtained the plans, and Vader joined the party over Scarif.

The weird thing is that they mentioned Obi-Wan at all. That was a needless throw-in, and I still can't wrap my head around why she would need to know about him for their plans.

I mean, he is. That's sort of his character.

Well, maybe if his reckless little buddy wasn't always getting them into shit he wouldn't be such a dick to him.