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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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ZackieChan said:
Pretty much this. Meanwhile every Nolan thread is full of people complaining about explaining every little thing. I prefer to make some leaps and fill in gaps myself. This is what was so cool about ANH - mentioning the Clone Wars and other things in passing that hinted at a larger world and events in the past without telling you everything. People in here complaining about not seeing every moment of Jyn's life, etc. should probably read a book or something. I'm OK with what we got.
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Great point on the Clone Wars reference in ANH.

Honestly we know just as much (if not more) about Chirrut and Baze's friendship in Rogue One as we did about Han and Chewie by the end of ANH. However I see over and over again people saying they were underdeveloped. To each his own I guess. I agree, if your'e looking for all the details to be filled in read Catalyst. In a 2 hour action film I prefer screen time to be taken up with interesting decisions and actions, not phoned in monologues about backstories.
 
SargerusBR said:
TARIS? OH BOY WE GETTIN IN THERE
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Thought Taris was destroyed
 
Slythe said:
Didn't mean it to seem like I thought your speculation was pointless! It actually is an interesting take that he would get more paranoid after inhaling. Kind of like someone who's substance abuse drastically changes their mood and irritability
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this is totally what happens, watched the film 3 times already. Every time saw takes a whiff, he goes all paranoid.

When talking to Bhodi, after inhaling he's all "LIES! LIES! Bogallet!"(or whatever that tentacle beast is called)

also, when the explosion / debris storm is close to hitting his temple, he visibly rips off the inhaler. As opposed to taking another dose that might 'ease' him into accepting the situation. He wants to experience his end as 'soberly' as possible i guess.
 
Fliesen said:
this is totally what happens, watched the film 3 times already. Every time saw takes a whiff, he goes all paranoid.

When talking to Bhodi, after inhaling he's all "LIES! LIES! Bogallet!"(or whatever that tentacle beast is called)

also, when the explosion / debris storm is close to hitting his temple, he visibly rips off the inhaler. As opposed to taking another dose that might 'ease' him into accepting the situation. He wants to experience his end as 'soberly' as possible i guess.
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I already liked Saw's character, but this makes me like it even more. Subtle storytelling.
 
Slythe said:
I already liked Saw's character, but this makes me like it even more. Subtle storytelling.
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well, we kinda see him at his lowest point - we see him at a time where he's "done running"
we would certainly have benefitted seeing him during his more sober / glory days - for contrast. To see that he's been ruined by the war he's been leading up until now, and not just generally a crazyperson.

But the Rebels series might give us exactly that backstory. Which i'm fine with.
 
Slythe said:
I mean, if that's true cool I guess, but why would this really need explaining at all? Soldiers are addicted to painkillers/opiates all the time in fiction. He was a pretty rattled dude that had clearly been double crossed many times. I don't know why would we need something like "Kyber Radiation Poisoning" to explain why a guy like Saw would be addicted to a substance.

The whole reaction to this movie has really magnified people's obsession with lore and backstory. I like that Rogue One just gave you characters with quirks and left it up to us to imagine why they are the way they are. I think they made the right call in not including a deep explanation of Saw's injuries in Rogue One, if such a scene ever really existed. Just let him be a damaged crazy man, I really don't need to know his whole life story for him to be an effective character
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Yeah I wasn't asking for that. I totally agree with what you've said here.

I just thought he should have gotten a less ceremonious death.

What I saw made it seem like stuff was cut from the film, or I should have cared more about the character from clone wars, which I didn't knkw about until this thread.
 
Fliesen said:
just saying that Saw's "inhaler" was clearly meant to be a plot device of sorts.
I didn't miss any kind of "kyber poisoning" side-story, i was just pointing out that there's clear signs that Saw's inhaler is clearly some kind of drug that he takes when he's stressed out, but instead of calming him down, it makes him go crazily paranoid.

Because at times, Saw talks like a somewhat reasonable person ;)
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I don't necessarily think that they really intended to do more with Saw's inhaler. It seems like the kind of character quirk they like to give some of these characters that will inevitably be explored in some kind of EU media. I.E. Grevious' coughing.
 
Saw it on Saturday and, without going through the whole thread, it seems like I echo many of the sentiments already expressed. Dull first third or so, back two thirds/half were fantastic. Edwards is great with scale and he really shined towards the end. Characters were a bit flat but few movies have been able to do the band of misfits coming together a la Seven Samurai as well as, well, Seven Samurai. CGI actors looked ok but not great. I did love how the Empire continues to be shown as the worst office environment ever. Petty, self-serving middle management everywhere. Some of the dialogue was pretty rough, though, and Vader's choke pun is inexcusable but made up by his utterly fucking badass scene at the end. Goddamn that was awesome. I like that they had the spine to butt it right up against the beginning of "A New Hope". Was super hyped for this from the trailers and I did not come away disappointed. I skipped TFA but I very much enjoyed this one.
 
Inferno313 said:
I don't necessarily think that they really intended to do more with Saw's inhaler. It seems like the kind of character quirk they like to give some of these characters that will inevitably be explored in some kind of EU media. I.E. Grevious' coughing.
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Pretty sure the inhaler (that sounded very familiar to Vader's) was a parallel to show that the rebel forces as well as the empire at their extremes are both crazy.

It was supposed to mirror.

Overall...movie was good. But I like TFA, 4, 5, 6, and half of 3 better.
 
Inferno313 said:
I don't necessarily think that they really intended to do more with Saw's inhaler. It seems like the kind of character quirk they like to give some of these characters that will inevitably be explored in some kind of EU media. I.E. Grevious' coughing.
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He's turning up in Rebels after it starts again so it'll probably be explored a bit there. Hopefully it'll show how he went batshit crazy as well.
 
The latest permutations of this thread has me convinced that Saw Gerrera could have been redeemable if he had just switched to a proper strain of sativa
 
GAMEPROFF said:
Her Mission was to meet Obi Wan to pick him up.
Nobody expected that the Nebulon-Frigatt is going to be ambushed by a Star Destroyer, so she just took the data and fleet with it.
And since she was followed by a Star Destroyer, she had no time to fly to a Rebel base to give the data away.
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Surely in the futuristic age of this film they could have uploaded the files via WeTransfer or something similar and then the other dudes could have downloaded them.
 
really liked the movie and the 'small' story. I also enjoyed the the entire mission was very very very nearly fucked up by vader and only barely got away. the cheesy CGI on the princess got a big chuckle at our showing though.
 
You know what? I always assumed that Princess Leia was not on her way to meet Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope, but that she happened to be ambushed near Tatooine and, knowing Obi-Wan was there, sent the plans to him in a last effort to prevent them falling into Vader's hands...

It would make no sense for her to be reaching to Obi-Wan with the plans if she wasn't getting captured by the Empire.
 
chesspieceface said:
You know what? I always assumed that Princess Leia was not on her way to meet Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope, but that she happened to be ambushed near Tatooine and, knowing Obi-Wan was there, sent the plans to him in a last effort to prevent them falling into Vader's hands...

It would make no sense for her to be reaching to Obi-Wan with the plans if she wasn't getting captured by the Empire.
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I really like how Tatooine isn't just a random "the Force wills it" thing in ANH now but rather the goal was to go there to begin with. Doesn't make the galaxy feel quite as small.
 
chesspieceface said:
You know what? I always assumed that Princess Leia was not on her way to meet Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope, but that she happened to be ambushed near Tatooine and, knowing Obi-Wan was there, sent the plans to him in a last effort to prevent them falling into Vader's hands...

It would make no sense for her to be reaching to Obi-Wan with the plans if she wasn't getting captured by the Empire.
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She was always going to pick up Obi-Wan. In her hologram message she says "I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed."
 
A reviewer described perfectly what I was thinking about the editing. The scenes felt like a pinball machine just bouncing around everywhere. I also thought the sound was really weird when the deathstar first fired off. I really wished they did more with the side characters because I think they had potential, but I had no emotions when any of the characters died off, and I'm usually an emotional puppy.
 
chesspieceface said:
It worked out pretty well in both Rogue One and Episode VII :)
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It didn't work any other time.

chesspieceface said:
You know what? I always assumed that Princess Leia was not on her way to meet Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope, but that she happened to be ambushed near Tatooine and, knowing Obi-Wan was there, sent the plans to him in a last effort to prevent them falling into Vader's hands....
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This is in Episode IV, though:


LEIA
General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed.
 
Fliesen said:
just saying that Saw's "inhaler" was clearly meant to be a plot device of sorts.
I didn't miss any kind of "kyber poisoning" side-story, i was just pointing out that there's clear signs that Saw's inhaler is clearly some kind of drug that he takes when he's stressed out, but instead of calming him down, it makes him go crazily paranoid.

Because at times, Saw talks like a somewhat reasonable person ;)
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Your interpretation is interesting, I'll have to keep an eye on that for my rewatch.

Main thing I noticed with the inhaler is that Bodhi was legit shook after Saw took a breath and it sounded just like Vader's mask. This shows that Bodhi has seen Vader before, and he was so intimidating that Bodhi gets PTSD-like flashbacks
 
As I had a very busy weekend of events and family get-togethers I wasn't able to post my thoughts until now.

Overall, I really liked the movie and there was a lot that it did right. The scenes with Vader made him feel incredibly imposing as they should. The movie actually felt like a true war film moreso than any other Star Wars movie, and really showed that why all the rebels have their own stories and reasons for fighting, they are all expendable and willing to give up their lives for the greater good, I really appreciated a lot of the fanservice moments (Evazan and Ponda Baba, Red 5 getting killed making way for Luke to replace him in the BoY, all of Blue Squadron being annihilated explaining why they weren't in the BoY, etc.) And I also appreciated them throwing some people of color and women into the fighter squadrons during the Battle of Scarif to show that hey, they weren't just all white guys as seen during the BoY. Also, Hammerhead Corvette! Yay!

That said, there were a few things that I didn't dig. The digitally-recreated Tarkin and Young Leia, for one, were very jarring and Uncanny valley...y. And the ending really came out of nowhere and was pretty clearly tacked on in post-production. I also felt that the new footage of Garven Dreiss and Jon Vander (Red and Gold Leader respectively) really didn't fit in the movie and was clearly a different quality. And then, there were some other minor quibbles I had - for one, where were the A-Wings? They've been retconned to being in use BBY in Rebels (although they were before then, but Rebels is official canon) and they're among my favorite ships. I would have also liked to see some other pilots, including my favorite Star Wars character Wedge, Biggs, and mothafuckin Porkins!

Also, why was everyone calling him "Governor" Tarkin? He WAS a Governor, yes, but his official position was Grand Moff - Leia was calling him "Governor" as a dig to what he was with the Republic. Also, based on the film, I think we can retcon the A New Hope exchange at the beginning of the movie to this:

Leia: I am a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan!

Vader: Bitch, I just saw your ship with the Rebels not five minutes ago.

EDIT: Actually, Biggs not being there does make sense. If you go by the deleted scenes being canon, he was on Tatooine defecting from the Empire at the time of the battle.
 
IronRinn said:
Saw it on Saturday and, without going through the whole thread, it seems like I echo many of the sentiments already expressed. Dull first third or so, back two thirds/half were fantastic. Edwards is great with scale and he really shined towards the end. Characters were a bit flat but few movies have been able to do the band of misfits coming together a la Seven Samurai as well as, well, Seven Samurai. CGI actors looked ok but not great. I did love how the Empire continues to be shown as the worst office environment ever. Petty, self-serving middle management everywhere. Some of the dialogue was pretty rough, though, and Vader's choke pun is inexcusable but made up by his utterly fucking badass scene at the end. Goddamn that was awesome. I like that they had the spine to butt it right up against the beginning of "A New Hope". Was super hyped for this from the trailers and I did not come away disappointed. I skipped TFA but I very much enjoyed this one.
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The pun fits Anakin's personality perfectly.
 
This might be a dumb question but what exactly is Leia the Princess off?

And how come Vader doesn't sense she is his daughter?
 
effzee said:
This might be a dumb question but what exactly is Leia the Princess off?

And how come Vader doesn't sense she is his daughter?
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He didn't sense Luke either until he was told by Boba in the comics. Maybe they hadn't been awakened in the Force at that point enough for it to be obvious to him?
 
effzee said:
This might be a dumb question but what exactly is Leia the Princess off?

And how come Vader doesn't sense she is his daughter?
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Vader doesn't know that Luke is his son until between A New Hope and Empire. In Marvel's ongoing comic series they meet a couple of times between the movies and doesn't know he's a Skywalker until he hires Boba Fett to investigate
 
Waldini said:
Jesus.

Just looked at the Teaser Trailer;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg
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Jyn had more personality and was more interesting in the trailers than the final cut for me. Sure it could have just been the way they edited her clips but I feel that they changed her in the movie we got. She seemed more of a renegade and expounded upon her criminal activity and she had a more snarky/defiant attitude. I didn't get any of that in the movie. Yeah she must have been a criminal because she was in prison at the beginning but that and a line about her running with Saw's crew for a while is all we got. It's not that I didn't like her, I just didn't have any emotional attachment to her character and didn't really care what she did.
 
Did anyone else think the rebel x-wing pilots from A New Hope were really distracting? Like I mean where the filmmakers literally photoshopped the actors from A New Hope and placed them in this movie.


There was something about it literally being footage from ANH that bugged me. Loved the movie all the same, that's maybe one of my more nitpicky complaints.
 
zeemumu said:
Well, not anymore, anyway
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Nope! She retains the title even after the planet blows up, but she essentially becomes a monarch of the people rather than a monarch of the territory (like King of the Romans vs Roman Emperor). In the Leia comic she actually relinquished the title and the Alderaanian survivors elect Evaan Verlaine to be their new leader.

I'm still hoping that VIII or IX or at least the books have Kylo get peeved that he's not the Prince of Alderaan.
 
effzee said:
And how come Vader doesn't sense she is his daughter?
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One of the few things RotS did right - Anakin never knew he was having twins. Padme didn't find out until she was in labor. Once he found out that the pilot who took down the Death Star's last name was "Skywalker" he put two and two together on him being his son. The Force only lets you read minds, not figure out one's true parentage or anything.
 
Empyrean Heaven said:
One of the few things RotS did right - Anakin never knew he was having twins. Padme didn't find out until she was in labor. Once he found out that the pilot who took down the Death Star's last name was "Skywalker" he put two and two together on him being his son. The Force only lets you read minds, not figure out one's true parentage or anything.
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Shit man I need to rewatch the series!
 
Slythe said:
She hugs walks up to Rey and hugs her at the end of VII. JJ said in an interview that the concept behind the scene was these two force sensitive people embracing over the loss of Han, and they seek each other out because they're both force sensitive.

http://www.slashfilm.com/leia-hugging-rey-jj-abrams-force-awakens/
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Leia's Force sensitivity hadn't been awakened during ANH though. He sensed Luke during the battle because he was already using it. But it doesn't seem like you can tell that someone is related to you through the Force, though once you know someone's "aura" you can always recognize them later (like Vader and Ahsoka sensing each other in Rebels).
 
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