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Was this not just another film about rebels banding together to fight the evil empire movie though? The only thing that was different was everyone died at the end.



Yeh and I asked them why they think that? I never outright stated they were wrong for having that opinion.


No central character having to come to terms with The Force. I just want well done space and ground battles at this point. Shit, I have been a Star Wars fan for 40 years so I guess the burn out is real for me. In time I may swing back to more classic Star Wars.
 
No central character having to come to terms with The Force. I just want well done Space and Ground Battles at this point. Shit, I have been a Star Wars fan for 40 years so I guess the burn out is real for me.

Fair do's. They really delivered with that battle at the end, best I've seen in any of the movies and really saved the movie for me.
 
The name thingy is real. The original cast had simple names to remember. Same with the Ep7 cast. This one had a bunch of weird and different names, including location names. It's easy to get lost in them.

Is Han Solo much easier than Jyn Erso?

Orson Krennic much worse than Grand Moff Tarkin?

Saw Gerrera much harder than Leia Organa?
 
The name thingy is real. The original cast had simple names to remember. Same with the Ep7 cast. This one had a bunch of weird and different names, including location names. It's easy to get lost in them.

Basil Oregano is easy to remember though.

Is Han Solo much easier than Jyn Erso?

Yes, primarily because a) you get invested in a more interesting character and b) his name was mentioned more frequently, because he had actual interactions with people.

Orson Krennic much worse than Grand Moff Tarkin?

Probably not, but almost no one said "Grand Moff Tarkin" in casual conversations about the films anyway.

Saw Gerrera much harder than Leia Organa?

Who called her anything other than "Princess Leia"? And that was much easier to remember.
 
i felt like darth vader had a double chin


i thought the movie was boring and i didnt care about anyone. it was hilarious that literally everyone died.
 
Is Han Solo much easier than Jyn Erso?

Orson Krennic much worse than Grand Moff Tarkin?

Saw Gerrera much harder than Leia Organa?

I can guarentee you that in the opening week of Star Wars, people referring to Tarkin as "The not darth vader bad guy", Leia as "Lea" if she was lucky, and probably "Han Sulu"

People were miswriting names of the Episode 7 cast too, iirc, atleast with Kylo Ren. And I'm sure as fuck half the people here won't know who Hux is without googling him.
 
I thought the movie was great. The only thing I would have liked to have seen would have been the opening crawl... but other than that... it was great!
 
I'm just wondering if Episode 8 is going to try and get away from all the typical Star Wars tropes and traps it seems to be stuck with.

Star Wars fatigue is only real because we see the same thing over and over.

Comical relief droids
Death Stars
Rebel Pilot death scenes are always sort of the same.
Why a mon calamari always needs to be the rebel fleet leader
Etc etc
 
I can guarentee you that in the opening week of Star Wars, people referring to Tarkin as "The not darth vader bad guy", Leia as "Lea" if she was lucky, and probably "Han Sulu"
Yeah, the "I don't even remember the name of the characters, so this movie was bad" arguement always comes off as weird, since it just comes off sounding more like an admission that the person has a bad memory/attention span than a commentary on how good/bad a movie was about something.
 
atleast with Kylo Ren. And I'm sure as fuck half the people here won't know who Hux is without googling him.

Hux is the annoyingly out of place looking ginger who also happened to be in the movie Frank. Kylo Ren was easy to remember as: Kylo Ben. Phantasma was easy to remember as "Brienne". Snoke, I just remember as "His name sounds fucking stupid, and makes me think of the Snorks".
 
I'm just wondering if Episode 8 is going to try and get away from all the typical Star Wars tropes and traps it seems to be stuck with.

Star Wars fatigue is only real because we see the same thing over and over.

Comical relief droids
Death Stars
Rebel Pilot death scenes are always sort of the same.
Why a mon calamari always needs to be the rebel fleet leader
Etc etc

the mon calamari are the greatest strategic minds in the galaxy, apparently. thats why the imperials are full of them (or not)



what this movie got right above TFA was the look. it definitely felt more like star wars to me than TFA, which was like a mix between PT and OT. it didn't feel as sterile as TFA
 
did people suddenly discover the term fan service or something?

I'm just wondering if Episode 8 is going to try and get away from all the typical Star Wars tropes and traps it seems to be stuck with.

Star Wars fatigue is only real because we see the same thing over and over.

Comical relief droids
Death Stars
Rebel Pilot death scenes are always sort of the same.
Why a mon calamari always needs to be the rebel fleet leader
Etc etc


The capital ships were all provided by the Mon Calamari so they command them.
 
People really didn't like them dying in the end? I mean that IS the payoff.

I dont know, they kind of give up to fast (the 2 main characters, all other dead's are realy good, exept Saw dead than was stupid).

I mean, yea i love than they know they will die when the shield is up, is one of the best part of the movie how it present in the acting and story.

But there is a nick piking than i tink. The shield circle stuff get destroyed by the hammer rebel ship pushing the star destroyer, so they could have scape in the last second if they find a ship. Also im sure the shield is gone because the Dead Star shoot pass wint out a problem.... i dont know, i get the felling than they just give up in the end.

Still i like the movie.

Problably we see that point in a HISHE video someday.
 
I dont know, they kind of give up to fast (the 2 main characters, all other dead's are realy good, exept Saw dead than was stupid).

I mean, yea i love than they know they will die when the shield is up, is one of the best part of the movie how it present in the acting and story.

But there is a nick piking than i tink. The shield circle stuff get destroyed by the hammer rebel ship pushing the star destroyer, so they could have scape in the last second if they find a ship. Also im sure the shield is gone because the Dead Star shoot pass wint out a problem.... i dont know, i get the felling than they just give up in the end.

Still i like the movie.

Problably we see that point in a HISHE video someday.

They already pointed out that Bodhi was their way off the planet (even though they already had two other capable pilots), and then their ship was destroyed. It's not like they weren't planning on getting off the planet. They were all just killed before they could get another ride.

I simply don't want to see young Han Solo.

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1. In the Mos Eisely cantina, that was our first experience with a lightsaber out in public. We have no other frame of reference to know( at the time that movie came out) whether such occurrences were common, but it's clearly stated that the Jedi were extinct, and so any uses of their signature weapon in public wouldn't be treated lightly. I don't heavily watch Rebels, but with respects to Kanan he doesn't appear to be exactly in hiding, even if he's careful about his saber usage. You'd think Obi-wan would be too if he was in hiding. As the story went Obi-wan was leaving( with Luke) anyway, so the situation didn't present itself for word to get around that could lead to the Empire trying to locate him. But you have to take the events of episode 4 in the context that story was still being fleshed out. Obi-wan was wearing the same style of clothing that Owen Lars was. In the context of that film back in 77, you took it only as a style of clothing. But the Prequels clearly showed that those were actually Jedi robes. So revisiting episode 4 with that in mind, wearing Jedi robes and whipping out a Saber in a bar of scum and villain certainly doesn't facilitate hiding.

2. Personally I'm not too keen on the Han Solo story. I don't know the plot details, but I can't imagine what relevance it would have. . Rogue One was telling a story that led to the first victory for the Rebels, the effort to secure the Death Star plans in order to exploit its weakness. I'd hate for the anthology films going forward to descend into simple nerd-gasm wank-fodder but don't otherwise contribute to the big picture in some meaningful way.

Just my 2 cents....

1. You should watch Rebels. For much of the first season Kanan is in hiding, this means he tries to use his lightsaber sparingly and keeps it disassembled on his belt.

2. Obviously, when you look at things realistically you can understand the inconsistencies in ANH with later and past movies as simply due to the world not being fully fleshed out yet. However, within the universe we have to account for these things and come up with explanation. Thus, a lightsaber to locals or patrons of a bar doesn't raise much suspicion, just another strange melee weapon. And, everyone wears robes in Star Wars, especially on Tatooine, so Obi-Wan doesn't draw much suspicion with his clothes and brief weapon use. He couldn't possibly be saying, "fuck, hiding," because the very next scene he's trying to be discreet and telling Han about his need for secrecy while keeping his head low. The last thing he wants to do is draw suspicion onto himself so the Empire can track them.

3. I don't care for a Han Solo movie either but I believe that's exactly what future anthology films would be, expansions of the universe that don't tie into the mainline films in any major way. I'm fine with that, I don't need everything to tie towards the Skywalkers, I simply don't want to see young Han Solo.
 
I'm just wondering if Episode 8 is going to try and get away from all the typical Star Wars tropes and traps it seems to be stuck with.

Star Wars fatigue is only real because we see the same thing over and over.

Comical relief droids
Death Stars
Rebel Pilot death scenes are always sort of the same.
Why a mon calamari always needs to be the rebel fleet leader
Etc etc

That's the theory. Soft reboot with TFA and then taking off the handcuffs for VIII.

We'll see.
 
Your reaching, Vader in the last moments didnt pause and use his force powers, he seamlessly used his light saber and force powers together while taking them down, like the prequels. Lifting guards and finishing them off with the back saber spin, its a mix of PT Anakin and OT Darth Vader. He's never been this nimble in the OT or as fast.

The thing with this kind of argument, yes you're correct in that sense that OT Vader never moved quite that quick, is the Jedi/force user choreography has constantly evolved over the course of the series. If the OT was made today, you wouldn't have gotten the 'old man' fight we got at the end of ANH. That said, Vader at the end of Rogue One was like OT Vader sped up at a rate of 1.5, His style and movements were still very much in keeping with what we saw in the OT, but he seemed extra pissed off in that scene and the closed-corridor pretty much required that he move as quickly as possible, things that he didn't need in his fight with Ben Kenobi, and partly didn't even need in ESB as he was largely toying with Luke. ROTJ Luke-Vader was the only time we got to see Vader battle on equal terms with his opponent.
 
That's the theory. Soft reboot with TFA and then taking off the handcuffs for VIII.

We'll see.

Yeah, I wouldn't say that VIII would be my last hope, but if it fails to deliver similarly as the last two films, I'll probably not be able to consider myself a "Star Wars fan" any longer, since there will have been more films I thought were simply "okay" or worse than I liked. I'll also probably not get hyped at all for any future films until Disney proves it can actually make post OT films worth giving a damn about.
 
He didn't even try... :|
Would have been nice to see him try, then fall, and Jyn trying to save him or something...

I think he didn't even try because

1) He simply knew he wouldn't make it. He knows he's slow as fuck.

2) Trying to escape would've slowed Jyn down. Jyn represented Saw's hopes, so as long as she survived, his fight would go on.
 
Was this not just another film about rebels banding together to fight the evil empire movie though? The only thing that was different was everyone died at the end.

Maybe I just didn't care because the characters aren't like really characters at all? Just all there to fill a scene during the action set piece at the end. None of them really had any character or character development other than Jyn.
Let's see.

Jyn - you agree yourself

Cassian - went from ruthless to hesitant to seeking redemption

Saw - went from extremist to paranoid to resigned

Baze - went from cynical to semi restoring his faith in spirituality

Krennic - classic hubris story of ambitious to overconfidence to blinded

Nope. No character development. Definitely not an exaggerated shit post.
 
For real? You had no problems with the opening of the film and first few acts? The cheese level of some of the dialogue "Rebellions are built on hope!" ? Actors like Forest and Mads being completely wasted and having little to do in the film at all?



Yeh totally, that's why I'd put any of the other Star Wars films (excluding the obvious ones) above R1, the characters had character. The last act of the film saved it all though.

I've seen it twice and I loved it to he felt it's the time and I'm even more fond the second time. Things like the CGI, somewhat brisk and exposition-y first half are fine me. No problem at all with them.

I'm happy with the characters. They're largely archetypes anyway and I know what they're going for with what they're presenting with.
 
Is Han Solo much easier than Jyn Erso?

Orson Krennic much worse than Grand Moff Tarkin?

Saw Gerrera much harder than Leia Organa?

Are we really doing this ? The OT had like minimal of 3-4 main characters getting about 80% of screen time and characters were actually given time to develop and grow. In R1, everything was such a rush.
 
ROTJ Luke-Vader was the only time we got to see Vader battle on equal terms with his opponent.

Luke beating Vader made less sense then Rey beating Kyle. Luke has like two months training with Yoda and somehow he bested Vader, a Sith Lord who single handedly killed hundreds of Jedis? I guess that's a completely different thread....
 
Let's see.

Jyn - you agree yourself

Cassian - went from ruthless to hesitant to seeking redemption

Saw - went from extremist to paranoid to resigned

Baze - went from cynical to semi restoring his faith in spirituality

Krennic - classic hubris story of ambitious to overconfidence to blinded

Nope. No character development. Definitely not an exaggerated shit post.

Honestly didn't see any of this apparent character development in the film, where did Saws development occur?

Don't really kbow why I'm asking though as you refer to my opinion as a shit post, thanks prick.
 
The "I didn't remember the main characters' names so the characters were shitty/the story sucks" argument is so dumb.

I don't remember any character names from Children of Men but that movie is great.

Multiple characters had arcs in Rogue One. They may not have announced their shifts through dialogue but they did change their demeanor throughout the film.
 
The "I didn't remember the main characters' names so the characters were shitty/the story sucks" argument is so dumb.

I don't remember any character names from Children of Men but that movie is great.

Multiple characters had arcs in Rogue One. They may not have announced their shifts through dialogue but they did change their demeanor throughout the film.

A star wars movie being compared with children of men, you guys hahaha
 
Yeah, the "I don't even remember the name of the characters, so this movie was bad" arguement always comes off as weird, since it just comes off sounding more like an admission that the person has a bad memory/attention span than a commentary on how good/bad a movie was about something.

The memory argument is bad in general, even if they're talking about plot events rather than small details. A person not remembering something is always a person problem, not a thing problem.
 
1. You should watch Rebels. For much of the first season Kanan is in hiding, this means he tries to use his lightsaber sparingly and keeps it disassembled on his belt.

2. Obviously, when you look at things realistically you can understand the inconsistencies in ANH with later and past movies as simply due to the world not being fully fleshed out yet. However, within the universe we have to account for these things and come up with explanation. Thus, a lightsaber to locals or patrons of a bar doesn't raise much suspicion, just another strange melee weapon. And, everyone wears robes in Star Wars, especially on Tatooine, so Obi-Wan doesn't draw much suspicion with his clothes and brief weapon use. He couldn't possibly be saying, "fuck, hiding," because the very next scene he's trying to be discreet and telling Han about his need for secrecy while keeping his head low. The last thing he wants to do is draw suspicion onto himself so the Empire can track them.

3. I don't care for a Han Solo movie either but I believe that's exactly what future anthology films would be, expansions of the universe that don't tie into the mainline films in any major way. I'm fine with that, I don't need everything to tie towards the Skywalkers, I simply don't want to see young Han Solo.

1. I watched Rebels season one a few years ago. Admittedly I don't find the series in general all that interesting, so I don't recall Kanan 'hiding' in that first season. I'll have to watch it again. I find Clone Wars considerably more interesting. I do recall the saber being disassembled though. I'm going through season 2 on netflix right now, ironically.

2. Again, I find it unlikely that no-one in that bar would see the significance of the Saber, 'just another weapon', especially as the Jedi are treated as legend. I can't see a Saber sighting getting the same level of indifference as someone pulling out a blaster, because I would expect most people in such a setting to be carrying one. How many people on Tattooine would be carrying a Lightsaber except Ben Kenobi at that point? That's just not 'another' weapon that someone would randomly pull out, and I imagine the saber is a 'known' weapon, but not one you'd expect to see unless the wielder is a force user. No-one gave much reaction to it in the actual movie, true, but again that needs to be taken in the context of the story and lore being fleshed out. Yes, alot of people wear robes, not 'those' robes that are directly shown in the PT as being Jedi attire.

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Using in-universe logic, someone who looks like this and wielding that...

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in a public setting on a desert with obvious imperial presence should be setting off all kinds of sirens.

3. I don't need anything to tie into the skywalkers either. Rogue One managed to tie directly into ANH without anything majorly referencing the Skywalker family.
 
Honestly didn't see any of this apparent character development in the film, where did Saws development occur?

Don't really kbow why I'm asking though as you refer to my opinion as a shit post, thanks prick.
It's not really an opinion though, the character arcs were pretty clearly there, maybe you found the movie too boring to pay attention or something, as you were also wondering whether they actually mentioned their names which they did numerous times.

(I couldn't remember them because they were difficult names and I didn't know what to make of something like what I now know as 'Chirrut')
 
I still don't get why Casio didn't shoot papa?

Nothing about that scenario screamed... well I guess ill change my assassin ways now.


Also why was everyone just standing out in the rain lol. Mood setter sure, but its kinda silly, these engineer dudes are old, you might get a cold!
 
The "I didn't remember the main characters' names so the characters were shitty/the story sucks" argument is so dumb.

I don't remember any character names from Children of Men but that movie is great.

Multiple characters had arcs in Rogue One. They may not have announced their shifts through dialogue but they did change their demeanor throughout the film.

I agree with your point about character names but I didn't find the character arcs in this movie very compelling at all. I still enjoyed the movie but the characters were pretty weak.
 
It's not really an opinion though, the character arcs were pretty clearly there, maybe you found the movie too boring to pay attention or something, as you were also wondering whether they actually mentioned their names which they did numerous times.

(I couldn't remember them because they were difficult names and I didn't know what to make of something like what I now know as 'Chirrut')

No really, where was Forest Whitaker character arc in this film? He's described as a crazy fringe rebel only to turn up and is a crazy fringe rebel who just gives up for "reasons" when he could have easily gone with them. Where was the arc?

I still don't get why Casio didn't shoot papa?

Nothing about that scenario screamed... well I guess ill change my assassin ways now.


Also why was everyone just standing out in the rain lol. Mood setter sure, but its kinda silly, these engineer dudes are old, you might get a cold!

Haha this as well, he had no problem murdering the innocent guy at the beginning and presumably others but suddenly develops a conscience.
 
Let's see.

Jyn - you agree yourself

Cassian - went from ruthless to hesitant to seeking redemption

Saw - went from extremist to paranoid to resigned

Baze - went from cynical to semi restoring his faith in spirituality

Krennic - classic hubris story of ambitious to overconfidence to blinded

Nope. No character development. Definitely not an exaggerated shit post.

Character development isn't binary. I guess you weren't trying to be ironic, but your list actually emphasizes exactly what's wrong with their supposed character development. There's essentially nothing in between their transitions.
 
Luke beating Vader made less sense then Rey beating Kyle. Luke has like two months training with Yoda and somehow he bested Vader, a Sith Lord who single handedly killed hundreds of Jedis? I guess that's a completely different thread....

Luke did training on his own between empire and Jedi. But we have other examples of experience not counting for much, like Maul defeating Qui-gon. Vader was also past his prime in Return of the Jedi I'd say, and susceptible to a young and hungry Luke who overcame him basically by tapping into the darkside. That's more sensible than Rey, obviously a capable melee fighter but with zero experience with both using the force and a saber, beating Kyle( though the 'Kyle was injured' plotpoint is a crutch here).
 
I can't believe how badly they wasted Mad Mikkelson. Again, what is the point of bringing these amazing, likable new characters in the franchise when you either don't use them properly or just kill them off for dramatic effect.
 
- I'm not so fine with how much they showed CGI Tarkin, though. Was not needed for this film to work (the first appearance would have been enough), and wasn't done well enough to want to look at/hear the attempt at a new performance multiple times during key moments.

I liked what they did with Tarkin. It set up his character for ANH well I thought (as a ruthless leader who doesn't put up with anyone shit) and we got a "You may fire when ready" line.
 
I still don't get why Casio didn't shoot papa?

Nothing about that scenario screamed... well I guess ill change my assassin ways now.

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Probably because he'd just met his daughter and that he'd lied to her about what he was going to do. I never got the impression he enjoyed doing the Rebellion's dirty work anyway.
 
I can't believe how badly they wasted Mad Mikkelson. Again, what is the point of bringing these amazing, likable new characters in the franchise when you either don't use them properly or just kill them off for dramatic effect.
Well... they kinda all needed to die in this movie...
 
I still don't get why Casio didn't shoot papa?

Nothing about that scenario screamed... well I guess ill change my assassin ways now.

He has a deep trauma about shooting people who don't wear stormtrooper helmets. He hates how guilty it makes him feel.

He overcomes the trauma at the end of the movie when he shoots General Krennic.

It's just like Die Hard.
 
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