I don't think that influences me. I always spot cgi characters even when they're not done because the actor is now dead or too old to play the role.
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I don't think that influences me. I always spot cgi characters even when they're not done because the actor is now dead or too old to play the role.
His scenes in the movie were a massive case of uncanny valley for me and pulled me out of the movie, but I don't think his face is too long. He's making a different facial expression in that real shot. Especially compared to other Peter Cushing movies (as well as New Hope itself), Cushing was definitely able to look like he does in the CG pic.
For me it was more the little animation details like the mouth and eyes that made him look too off. The model itself is fine, as far as a close copy goes. You're being thrown off by his face being at different angles/expressions in those two pics.
Edit: and yes, like the guy above me said, the lighting of his face is completely different, which changes his look a lot. That'll happen with anyone but especially someone with such a distinctive face as Peter Cushing.
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I'm trying to find a picture of Peter Cushing that looks as close as possible to the cgi one.
DerZuhälter
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Here's a side-by-side comparison from the pics above:
Not feeling the CGI Tarkin
The illusion only works when he isn't moving. While there are noticiable differences between the real life character and the rendering (well duh), without a comparison picture right next to it it holds up. Even though the eyes look weird, the lighting is off and he somehow looks older as rendering than he was in the movie which took place later in time.
I can see Kylo Ren in Episode 8 or 9 finding and visiting the "ruins" of Vader's castle. I imagine he'll probably try to claim it as his own, to further pursue his quest to equal/surpass his grandfather.
It could also be a cool and poetic place for a showdown between Rey and Kylo in Episode 9. "Return to Mustafar!" Vader/Ren vs Obi-Wan/Rey. It's a little on the nose, but I know I'd get a kick out of it.
It could also be a cool and poetic place for a showdown between Rey and Kylo in Episode 9. "Return to Mustafar!" Vader/Ren vs Obi-Wan/Rey. It's a little on the nose, but I know I'd get a kick out of it.
Here's a side-by-side comparison from the pics above:
Not feeling the CGI Tarkin
Also a bit too perfect in the costume. The sewing is not as perfect and symmetrical in the real one. The rang insignia, which looked more like colored transparent glass is looking flatter and more like opaque plastic. The silver metal plate is also somehow exchanged with a darker plastic.
Weird choices.
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Also a bit too perfect in the costume. The sewing is not as perfect and symmetrical in the real one. The rang insignia, which looked more like colored transparent glass is looking flatter and more like opaque plastic. The silver metal plate is also somehow exchanged with a darker plastic.
Weird choices.
I read that ANH was lit differently than RO, and when it came time to recreate Tarkin the effects team preferred to stay faithful to the lighting in RO because they felt Tarkin would look out of place if he was lit differently than the rest of the characters on screen. So in that sense there's no point in making direct lighting comparisons between the two films.
Did you read what I posted? I used these images to show that the real Tarkin's costume is quite a bit different than the too perfect CGI one. Didn't comment on the lighting at all.
CassidyIzABeast
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Here's a side-by-side comparison from the pics above:
Not feeling the CGI Tarkin
Looks like a Frostbite engine render instead of something from ILM.
jellies_two
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The worst part of the cgi was as he talked: the facial mouth movement matching the words looked worse than uncharted 4 I was quite surprised. Talking, facial expressions and body movement : all wrong. How long has it been since final fantasy spirits within? Has hardly got much better. As soon as he appeared on the screen I was thinking of Clone wars on the cartoon channel. Someone took an ok idea and took it too far. He could have just had a few words but no, they had to show it all off as if it was perfect.
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You commented on how some of the materials look, which is a direct consequence of the lighting used.
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I rewatched TFA last night. The charisma in Ford's, Boyega's and Isaac's performances alone but the character work in that above R1. Not to mention Ridley being a lot more earnest in her semi-wooden performance than Jones, who acts like she's embarrassed to be saying the things she is. And then Driver doing really underrated work throughout the film, where you can feel him on the edge before it explodes in the finale.
Are they very annoying things in it? Yeah. Rey finding Luke's lightsaber with a bunch of doors that automatically open and Maz's handwave explanation is extremely irritating. Starkiller Base literally being a bigger Death Star that kills more planets than just one is lazy. Rey's force awakening comes far too quickly in some regards. It's not a perfect movie by any stretch.
But it's so propulsive and energetic; the performances are full of charisma and charm; the script is witty and focused on character over plot; and it has real heart. I don't think R1 has any of those.
It's still a decent film, but a lot of that is down to the Star Wars window dressing (complete with those incredible aesthetics, props, costumes etc) and Edwards' eye for action. In regards to the heart that defines Star Wars for me, it's lacking.
Are they very annoying things in it? Yeah. Rey finding Luke's lightsaber with a bunch of doors that automatically open and Maz's handwave explanation is extremely irritating. Starkiller Base literally being a bigger Death Star that kills more planets than just one is lazy. Rey's force awakening comes far too quickly in some regards. It's not a perfect movie by any stretch.
But it's so propulsive and energetic; the performances are full of charisma and charm; the script is witty and focused on character over plot; and it has real heart. I don't think R1 has any of those.
It's still a decent film, but a lot of that is down to the Star Wars window dressing (complete with those incredible aesthetics, props, costumes etc) and Edwards' eye for action. In regards to the heart that defines Star Wars for me, it's lacking.
Sure some of it might be lack of any reflective environment probe on the surface of the materials. Would have to see the actual scenes with him in the movie in high quality for that.
A flat silver metal back plate is not changing into a duller, darker plastic one with extruded edge because of lighting changes. Rank insignia also don't go from what looks like semi transparent and double the thickness. to what looks like 3mm because of lighting.
Sure it is absolute minor stuff but it shows that oversights like this can happen.
Its weird, cause here it looks like they nailed the look of both the costume being a bit wrinkled and the rank insignia looking correct vs that CGI breakdown image:
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Your opinion.
Others think the CG was simply not good enough around actual real life actors.
I honestly can't believe they CG'd the body of Tarkin. He even animated dodgy when walking, let alone the bad lip syncing and weird facial animations.
Just a really poor decision to CG a human.
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Sure some of it might be lack of any reflective environment probe on the surface of the materials. Would have to see the actual scenes with him in the movie in high quality for that.
A flat silver metal back plate is not changing into a duller, darker plastic one with extruded edge because of lighting changes. Rank insignia also don't go from what looks like semi transparent and double the thickness. to what looks like 3mm because of lighting.
Sure it is absolute minor stuff but it shows that oversights like this can happen.
Here's a video. It's low quality but you can see the back plate changing from silver to dark several times as Tarkin moves.
https://youtu.be/xj_lH7mVjrA
theCalamity
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There's two threads about the intricacies of the CGI people. Take this shit there.
yes, that looks a lot better in the actual movie.
Really weird. seems the CGI breakdown image is not from finished Tarkin then.
Boogalogist
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I thought she looked great. Much better than Tarkin.
Nicktendo86
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Finally saw this the other night and, I was actually really disappointed. I felt the film was boring, dragged, took forever to get going and I didn't much care for any of the characters. I can't even remember any of the new character's names. Maybe I was too drunk with Christmas cheer.
I'm torn on the CGI Tarkin really. I'm not sure if it is because my brain knows it had to be CGI that whenever he was on screen all I could think of was CGI, it was really off putting.
I loved the last, what, half a minute of the film though with Vader. That was the movie I wanted to see, perhaps that is why I didn't enjoy the movie we actually got. Ah well.
I'm torn on the CGI Tarkin really. I'm not sure if it is because my brain knows it had to be CGI that whenever he was on screen all I could think of was CGI, it was really off putting.
I loved the last, what, half a minute of the film though with Vader. That was the movie I wanted to see, perhaps that is why I didn't enjoy the movie we actually got. Ah well.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Sure, that's what I would expect but can it still be enjoyed as a standalone film with no real prior knowledge?
valkillmore
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Here's a side-by-side comparison from the pics above:
Not feeling the CGI Tarkin
I did not even know that was a CGI model until I got to this thread after seeing the movie yesterday haha. I completely forgot this actor was in the original movie. Welp
Same here! I had no idea until I came here.
That's a bit dramatic, I'm not sure if you've looked at the Final Fantasy movie recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaI7ZPA9I1c
And it's obviously lightyears beyond the Star Wars cartoons as well:
I mean, Tarkin felt weird for me in the movie too, but let's not act like it's not an impressive bit of tech. I don't think it's all there yet for the amount of time they devoted to the character, but it's still impressive in the end. It's mostly small details that don't work quite right yet (eyes, mouth) that break the illusion.
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To everyone saying that it we didn't care for the characters, you're wrong. I certainly did and I didn't need to know every intimate detail about them in order to feel the way I do. Clearly what was presented on screen was enough to some of us.
Here's a side-by-side comparison from the pics above:
Not feeling the CGI Tarkin
That's not a shot from the movie.
RocknRola
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Mother of Hyperbole. He looked fine, more than fine even. It's miles ahead of anything done in previous films, much less games.
CrimsonSquall
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Caring about the characters in this movie?
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negreenfield
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Well, I loved it. It is up there with IV and V for me how much I liked it. I thought the CGI was fine, it wasn't amazing of course we aren't there yet where it's impossible to know it's CGI but it was still great. I liked all the characters and can't wait to see it again. Watched A New Hope last night and enjoyed how well it worked together though of course not perfectly. Going to watch Empire today.
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Saw it for the second time last night and enjoyed it even more.
The hyperbole about the flaws (yes it still has them), specifically the CGI are hilarious. I will add "not much better than FF: Spirits Within" to the "PS1 era CGI". I noticed a lot of small things I missed in my first viewing.
I tagged along with about 20 people who hadn't seen it yet. Actually the theatre we were in was one of the largest Regal's in the area and the 8:00 time slot was 100% sold out, I was actually surprised. When I got to the movie theatre the parking lot was actually full. I guess it's a combination of $6.50 Tuesday's and Christmas weekend. Whole place clapped at the end.
I also saw because I was looking for it this time
. I asked after and nobody else had noticed 
The hyperbole about the flaws (yes it still has them), specifically the CGI are hilarious. I will add "not much better than FF: Spirits Within" to the "PS1 era CGI". I noticed a lot of small things I missed in my first viewing.
I tagged along with about 20 people who hadn't seen it yet. Actually the theatre we were in was one of the largest Regal's in the area and the 8:00 time slot was 100% sold out, I was actually surprised. When I got to the movie theatre the parking lot was actually full. I guess it's a combination of $6.50 Tuesday's and Christmas weekend. Whole place clapped at the end.
I also saw because I was looking for it this time
Vader cut the guy in half that he pinned on the ceiling. Freaking brutal.
My theater was full also. It was Tuesday tho.
Which was nowhere to be seen in the final movie.
It came together in the last minute or so with Vader. The rest of the movie was pretty forgettable. For me it was like the latest Star Trek movie. Lots of action, but just chopped up in such a way that I end up losing the thread. Toward the end of Rogue One I found myself just counting the cuts. There must have been 100 cuts per minute.
Can a Star Wars expert explain the laser blasters to me? I kept wondering why armored storm troopers get one-shotted by the laser blasters, but director guy takes one in the shoulder and just winces and shrugs it off? A droid gets shot and it leaves a smoking hole in his metal exoskeleton, but leaves no mark on a storm trooper? Is there any rhyme or reason to how those things work?
Can a Star Wars expert explain the laser blasters to me? I kept wondering why armored storm troopers get one-shotted by the laser blasters, but director guy takes one in the shoulder and just winces and shrugs it off? A droid gets shot and it leaves a smoking hole in his metal exoskeleton, but leaves no mark on a storm trooper? Is there any rhyme or reason to how those things work?
We had three, alongside a good combo of a TV show.
Huh? Those are three films about Anakin whining that the Jedi order told him to wash his greasy hair, with a cameo from Darth Vader at the end.
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You think you want this, but it won't be good.
Disagree.
Not an expert, but, stormtroopers typically have black scorch marks in their white suits. Might not happen everytime in film to avoid having to do it every single time? In the start Krennic is shot in the top of the shoulder, is that what you mean? I'm sure it hurt and needed medical attention. At the end he's basically crawling to his death. It's really just done just to let him see his creation about to blow him up.
So as a die-hard Star Wars fan, I finally found the time yesterday to sit down and actually watch this movie. Given my trepidation in regards to hearing so many reports about last-minute re-shoots and given that Gareth Edwards was directed (I hated Godzilla, although I loved Monsters)...I didn't really know what to expect going in.
So basically...I loved it!
I thought the film over-all was really excellent, managing to tell a really exciting, original story that actually ended up feeling remarkably tense given how we as an audience understand that the central mission inevitably turns out to be successful. Although at times some of the characters felt a little under-cooked on account of not being enough moments to really expand upon their characterization, I ended up really taking a shine to all of them...especially in regards to Diego Luna's mistrustful, haunted Cassian Andor. The film certainly wasn't afraid to take certain tonal and narrative risks, especially with the ending, and that's something I really applaud it for. Overall, for me the film managed to tell a really compelling and exciting story with some sprinklings of really cool fan-service throughout (Vader's castle!) which left me really satisfied.
A couple of things I wanted to note: I thought the Tarkin CGI was genuinely amazing. It really caught me off guard how seamless it was and I really appreciated that the makers of the film managing include Tarkin in the story, if in some small way. So many people online being so disparaging about it is actually kind of shocking to me. The CGI Leia for me was a little less seamless, but I absolutely loved her inclusion...especially fitting considering I only just learned of Carrie Fisher's passing just as I was leaving the cinema. It felt very poetic and fitting, if a little surreal.
Also, Jyn and Cassian walking out to the beach together as they patiently wait to die has now become one of my absolute favourite Star Wars scenes of all time. I just found it a really poignant and beautiful moment, not to mention the music that went along with it is really wonderful. Also, the scene towards the end of Vader walking down the corridor whilst casually cutting down panicked rebel soldiers was absolutely superb. I loved how it was basically shot like a horror movie. For the very first time, I was actually sold on just how terrifying Vader can prove to be within this world...as opposed to a clunky, asthmatic goon I always ended up perceiving him as in the original films.
Nitpicks:
-Forrest Whittaker's character was a complete waste of screen-time who didn't really serve any real purpose and only ended up muddled the narrative of the first act slightly. A waste of a great actor.
-Darth Vader's "choking" pun was really strained and awkward. That scene in general was hampered by some clunky writing.
-As much as I loved all the fan-servicey easter-eggs scattered throughout of the film, the appearance of the Cantina thugs from New Hope while fun...felt like kind of a step too far. That cameo felt way too contrived for my liking.
-Why do the Rebellion seem to exchange "May the Force Be With You" as a kind of customary farewell now? It happened at least twice in this film. I thought the saying was strictly only used by the Jedi?
But all in all, I really loved this movie. It was bold, fun and really memorable. After being left bitterly disappointed with The Force Awakens, which I continue to find way too bland and derivative, Rogue One actually managed to get me excited about Star Wars again! I'd be hard pressed to give it a higher endorsement than that.
As a final side-note, I was really bummed out to find out that Red Letter Media seem to be so disdainful of the movie, even going as far as labeling it as "not being Star Wars" or whatever. In the end, this was a story about a group of strangers rallying together and helping to awaken the good within each other as they rally to a cause that stands against unfathomable evil. It's a film that revolves around redemption, self-sacrifice and hope. That's Star Wars through and through to me and Rogue One really helped evoke that same sense of fantasy and wonder that was also synonymous with this series at its best.
So basically...I loved it!
I thought the film over-all was really excellent, managing to tell a really exciting, original story that actually ended up feeling remarkably tense given how we as an audience understand that the central mission inevitably turns out to be successful. Although at times some of the characters felt a little under-cooked on account of not being enough moments to really expand upon their characterization, I ended up really taking a shine to all of them...especially in regards to Diego Luna's mistrustful, haunted Cassian Andor. The film certainly wasn't afraid to take certain tonal and narrative risks, especially with the ending, and that's something I really applaud it for. Overall, for me the film managed to tell a really compelling and exciting story with some sprinklings of really cool fan-service throughout (Vader's castle!) which left me really satisfied.
A couple of things I wanted to note: I thought the Tarkin CGI was genuinely amazing. It really caught me off guard how seamless it was and I really appreciated that the makers of the film managing include Tarkin in the story, if in some small way. So many people online being so disparaging about it is actually kind of shocking to me. The CGI Leia for me was a little less seamless, but I absolutely loved her inclusion...especially fitting considering I only just learned of Carrie Fisher's passing just as I was leaving the cinema. It felt very poetic and fitting, if a little surreal.
Also, Jyn and Cassian walking out to the beach together as they patiently wait to die has now become one of my absolute favourite Star Wars scenes of all time. I just found it a really poignant and beautiful moment, not to mention the music that went along with it is really wonderful. Also, the scene towards the end of Vader walking down the corridor whilst casually cutting down panicked rebel soldiers was absolutely superb. I loved how it was basically shot like a horror movie. For the very first time, I was actually sold on just how terrifying Vader can prove to be within this world...as opposed to a clunky, asthmatic goon I always ended up perceiving him as in the original films.
Nitpicks:
-Forrest Whittaker's character was a complete waste of screen-time who didn't really serve any real purpose and only ended up muddled the narrative of the first act slightly. A waste of a great actor.
-Darth Vader's "choking" pun was really strained and awkward. That scene in general was hampered by some clunky writing.
-As much as I loved all the fan-servicey easter-eggs scattered throughout of the film, the appearance of the Cantina thugs from New Hope while fun...felt like kind of a step too far. That cameo felt way too contrived for my liking.
-Why do the Rebellion seem to exchange "May the Force Be With You" as a kind of customary farewell now? It happened at least twice in this film. I thought the saying was strictly only used by the Jedi?
But all in all, I really loved this movie. It was bold, fun and really memorable. After being left bitterly disappointed with The Force Awakens, which I continue to find way too bland and derivative, Rogue One actually managed to get me excited about Star Wars again! I'd be hard pressed to give it a higher endorsement than that.
As a final side-note, I was really bummed out to find out that Red Letter Media seem to be so disdainful of the movie, even going as far as labeling it as "not being Star Wars" or whatever. In the end, this was a story about a group of strangers rallying together and helping to awaken the good within each other as they rally to a cause that stands against unfathomable evil. It's a film that revolves around redemption, self-sacrifice and hope. That's Star Wars through and through to me and Rogue One really helped evoke that same sense of fantasy and wonder that was also synonymous with this series at its best.
Yeah that's what I meant. In the very beginning he gets shot in the shoulder but it doesn't seem to do any harm. Meanwhile giant metal droids and armored storm troopers get taken out with one shot. Also later in the movie toward the end
the non-blind temple protector guy takes a direct shot in the shoulder and just keeps walking. Granted he has an armor plate there, but still.
demosthenes
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Agree with your nitpicks outside of may the force be with you. This was used in A New Hope before the attack on the Death Star. I see it more as a "god speed" or "you're probably going to your death, find peace in the force".
Posted in the other thread but here's my thoughts on the characters, I actually liked them.:
DeathoftheEndless
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I enjoyed the film, but didn't love it. Unsurprisingly for me, Donnie Yen was my favorite part. He got a badass fight scene, a few good jokes, and his last act was the most powerful moment of the story for me. I also enjoyed K2-SO's sarcasm and Krennic's sliminess as the villain. The rest of the cast to me was unremarkable. Rogue One has the best large-scale battles in the series and the destruction of one Star Destroyer with another was just pure awesomeness. Overall, its a solid film that has weaker characters than the main entries, but is successful at feeling like a different side of the galaxy far far away.
Sectorseven
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Why did Forest Whitaker let himself die? He could have escaped.
Are you referencing when Han Solo said it to Luke just before he went off on the Death Star mission? Or was it used another time I can't remember?
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