Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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demosthenes
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As he said like 5 minutes earlier. "Jyn, have you come to kill me, there's not much left". He was on death's door. He accepted his death. I doubt he could have run. If the others had waited for him they all would have died.
It's said in the mission briefing room by "Mom" after they look at the plans, before they go to their ships in ANH. So a few minutes before Han says it to Luke.
The general/person giving the briefing on the Death Star weak spot to the rebel pilots on Yavin also says it.
Sectorseven
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He's got robot legs and he can't run? He was like 10 feet behind them and the others weren't exactly running full speed. That pilot guy even stopped for a minute to look at the explosion.
He said he was "tired or running" or something like that. Why? Why now? Why not run one more time and help the rebellion that was so important to him? He could've been useful!
Interesting, I couldn't remember that at all. Guess I can strike that nitpick off my list. Thanks guys!
Just moments before being introduced to the character, he watched the last few years of his filmography and was too embarrassed to live.
I'm a huge "Star Wars" fan but 'Rogue One' was missing some better character moments to really pull me in and make me feel more for these people. I was immediately hooked on the new characters in "The Force Awakens" but not nearly as much this time. I did like a lot of it and I enjoyed it more the second time, but I still think the movie is lacking a bit. A good movie - just not a great one in my view.
His character was really in the story just for fan service to see him in live action for the first time. They had no intention of having him relevant to the movie.
Pai Pai Master
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These characters had a bit more grey area to them than the typical star wars protagonists, so it would have served them well to avoid cutting character moments and making sure the movie gave enough reasons to care about them beyond what we got.
There are definitely some moments that work, but they're just not enough. The audience is required to kinda fill in the gaps and just generally feel bad for them and their sacrifice, mainly informed by knowledge of the sequel film.
I liked the cast, but for the movie to have the impact it wanted you need to LOVE them like you do Luke or Leia or Ahsoka or Rey, and the connection just wasn't there.
Saint Gregory
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Whittaker in RO is like Max von Sydow in TFA. I was super hyped when I saw the casting and then when I saw the film I was pretty disappointed that it was basically a cameo.
Mads didn't fare much better either. The film had an amazing cast but so much felt wasted. I'd love to see a version with an extra 45 minutes to an hour of footage to fill in all of the blanks.
Mads didn't fare much better either. The film had an amazing cast but so much felt wasted. I'd love to see a version with an extra 45 minutes to an hour of footage to fill in all of the blanks.
Saint Gregory
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Yeah, he hasn't had a great run lately. I thoroughly enjoyed both films though so he's at least attaching himself to the right projects.
I can kind of see the parallels there between the films too. Not sure if I wanted Doctor Strange to be longer though...
Lol it's really not that big of a deal. The outrage over this line is absurd. Worked for me, and SW has been my favorite film since I was a kid.
Rygar 8 Bit
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if i remember right didnt they say he separated from the rebellion because he thought they wernt extreme enough?
Lifejumper
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Reading the visual guide..
Apparantly Vaders bacta tank is not only in Mustafar, it overlooks the valley where Anakin lost his limbs.
Apparantly Vaders bacta tank is not only in Mustafar, it overlooks the valley where Anakin lost his limbs.
CloudyTuba
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Here's a side-by-side comparison from the pics above:
Not feeling the CGI Tarkin
When I look again at the behind the scenes render that is from, the "final" on the far left is actually squeezed compared to the renders to its right. I think something went funny with the compositing of that last image. Also keep in mind that this is not necessarily an actual shot from the movie, its a behind the scenes render.
Stretch him back out a little (as below) and he looks a lot better. It won't be until we get official screenshots or screens from the bluray that we will actually be able to compare the final render.
Ein Bear
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Juat came out from seeing this. Hot takes:
- The first half was a bit of a drag, with some clunky dialogue and dodgy editing. Really wasn't enjoying it.
- The second half was a massive improvement though. Once the plot actually got going I felt like the movie reallly picked up. The final act was fantastic.
- The robot character was great, absolutely hilarious.
- CGI Peter Cushing looked awful, and appeared to be about 8 feet tall.
- Similarly, Darth Vader making choke puns in his lava castle was dumb.
- Vader at the end was awesome though.
- Did they cut footage of the pilots from a New Hope into the X-Wing scenes? That was really cool.
- CGI Leia for the final shot was incredibly sad after the news about Carrie Fisher yesterday.
- The first half was a bit of a drag, with some clunky dialogue and dodgy editing. Really wasn't enjoying it.
- The second half was a massive improvement though. Once the plot actually got going I felt like the movie reallly picked up. The final act was fantastic.
- The robot character was great, absolutely hilarious.
- CGI Peter Cushing looked awful, and appeared to be about 8 feet tall.
- Similarly, Darth Vader making choke puns in his lava castle was dumb.
- Vader at the end was awesome though.
- Did they cut footage of the pilots from a New Hope into the X-Wing scenes? That was really cool.
- CGI Leia for the final shot was incredibly sad after the news about Carrie Fisher yesterday.
Rygar 8 Bit
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for a scene yes
People have a problem with Vader's choke pun? I thought it was totally consistent with the guy who latter said "I find your lack of faith disturbing." He seemed to enjoy adding a bit of levity in his brutality.
In general, I think this movie took Darth Vader out of the garbage bin and shined him back up into the bad mother fucker he was supposed to be in the OT. Heck, he was even scarier that he ever was. He was a meat grinder, and then that awesome as fuck pose as Leía escapes... sooooo good. That was the Darth Vader of my imagination before the PT. I was absolutely amazed without words watching his portrayal in R1.
Lucas fell flat on his face over 3 movies, and got vastly outdone by a few minutes of Vader in R1. lol
In general, I think this movie took Darth Vader out of the garbage bin and shined him back up into the bad mother fucker he was supposed to be in the OT. Heck, he was even scarier that he ever was. He was a meat grinder, and then that awesome as fuck pose as Leía escapes... sooooo good. That was the Darth Vader of my imagination before the PT. I was absolutely amazed without words watching his portrayal in R1.
Lucas fell flat on his face over 3 movies, and got vastly outdone by a few minutes of Vader in R1. lol
molnizzle
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What? Coruscant isn't in this film.
Personally speaking, I didn't take any kind of issue with the general concept of Vader making a pun in the given moment, but the pun itself being fucking awful and awkward among measure.
Be careful not to choke on your aspirations? Fucking what? There's no such expression!
Pai Pai Master
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I honestly didn't need an exact 1:1 replica of real life Tarkin/Cushing in order for it to be a believable and respectable use of CG, it's his animation that took me out of every scene he was in. The actual modeling was fantastic and the lighting wasnt bad either. I felt he moved and spoke with too much motion, the way a CGI character can but a live actor does not.
I do wish we had more of him and Vader together. I really liked the emphasis placed on their bond in Clone Wars.
I do wish we had more of him and Vader together. I really liked the emphasis placed on their bond in Clone Wars.
molnizzle
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I dunno, they mapped all the CGI over a stand-in performance by Guy Henry. I imagine they did their best to do the same with facial movement as well. Both Tarkin and Leia were played by real actors who had their faces digitally altered in post.
I didn't get "romance" so much as "This is the end. Our differences don't matter any more." And the 2 characters accepted each other and... fuck... well you might as well find comfort somewhere and they could do that for eachother in however small a gesture.
I also actually liked the planet hoping along with the title cards. Made it feel more like a war documentary.
Saint Gregory
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Yeah, I was really distracted by both he and CG Leia. I would have actually preferred that they just use new actors for those roles but with Carrie Fisher's recent passing it may best that it was handled that way even though the filmmakers had no idea. Any other actress playing Leia would be heressy now. At least there shouldn't be any more prequels for a while to worry about that though.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah it was mostly just when he spoke for longer intervals. I want to watch ANH again before I see Rogue One a second time to better compare.
I didn't hate the execution at all. It wasn't perfect but that's a hard thing to expect. It was certainly better than attempts like Tron Legacy.
demosthenes
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It's in the background. When Jyn is dreaming of being a child when there is a party going on. Krennic, her mom and her dad are there and I think another persons back. You can see the planet outside. I think it's presumed to be Coruscant, don't know if it was confirmed outside of the movie.
Did not feel romance at all. They are about to die. They are holding on to any hope that their message got out because even if we get down this elevator and out of the base alive we need to find a ship to get us out. We stand out like a sore thumb. Oh wait, it doesn't matter, here comes death rushing at us. Holding hands, hugging do not mean "oh man I wish we had time to fuck".
molnizzle
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The thing with CGI is it can be updated/remastered later on and no one will complain. I'm glad that it's in there now for when the tech improves.
Ah, yeah. I suppose that would have been Coruscant in the flashback.
Ah, yeah. I suppose that would have been Coruscant in the flashback.
Pai Pai Master
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It looked like Coruscant to me and it certainly would have made sense.
I wasn't paying attention, was Vader's first appearance on Mustafar?
Yes, it's been confirmed to be the case. Don't know why they didn't bother giving it a titlecard like the rest of the planets, but hey.
demosthenes
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Honestly I think it's already there for the most part. I'm willing to bet the vast majority of viewers had absolutely no idea this was a CGI character. Even if you can tell, most people aren't looking hard or paying close enough attention to see it.
There were hints about them being interested in each other at the latter half of the movie, it's not a big deal, but I could have done without it. The jumping of planets wasn't really the problem, I should of described it better, but it was how fast it occurred. I know that them holding hands doesn't mean that they're going to fuck or are interested in it
molnizzle
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Yeah, at Christmas Eve dinner my uncle was asking me about Leia and how they got old footage of her for the movie, it didn't even occur to him that it might be CGI. Tarkin slipped under his radar completely.
Sectorseven
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Visually, I thought Tarkin looked pretty damn good. It was the animation that broke it for me. It felt...canned, like a video game character that has a finite number of pre-rendered animations and they were cycling through them.
Pai Pai Master
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A lot of choppy editing in the first half of the film. I like how much they wanted to show of what was going on before settling on the main events but they could have done better. It's always odd getting an establishing shot and a title card of different planets within like 5 minutes of one another.
I don't think people realize that the vast majority of people don't post online and put the film under a microscope.
This is a good example.
I'd argue the tech is there already.. From a certain point of view.
Poor GRIMES
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I'm not so sure. Maybe your first paragraph was the narrative intention--for them to find solace in each other moments before their deaths--but it certainly was not conveyed that way at all through Diego Luna's portrayal or Felicity Jones' reciprocated smile at his stare. I absolutely assure you that they have kissed or did something romantic in that elevator before the film was edited
Sectorseven
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I wonder if the title cards were added as a result of confused test audiences. I think the first half could have been simplified. Just have them go straight to Jyn's father rather than all the planet hopping.
I really loved how they interacted in the film. There was a slight hint of romance but ultimately they just embraced each other in the end. If they would have kissed there the whole thing would have fallen apart.
Bobby Roberts
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I forget who it was in that initial week that suggested "you know, there's not much reason why the entire first half hour couldn't have happened on Jedha instead of like,30 other planets" but I dont' think they were wrong at all.
That was actually one of the best parts of the film for me. Maybe not from a narrative standpoint but the galaxy has never felt so open. Loved seeing all of those locations and the general scope of the SW universe. Really glad they didn't do it all on one planet. Gave the film its own personality too.
molnizzle
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I though the 30 other planets was cool though! Especially the way the music changed during each transition. It made the galaxy feel like... an actual galaxy, which Star Wars has never been great at doing. The more times I see the movie the more I appreciate it.
If I could change one thing, it would be to change Saw's final dialogue from "I will run no longer" to "I'll never make it." Just that minor change would have helped his character make more sense.
edit: oh, also Jyn's "what is this?" should have been done better during the reshoots. It's obvious that line was intended to be somewhere else in the conversation.
demosthenes
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I would have been so sad if they kissed.
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