djplaeskool
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Wasn't the full language of the ACA also available online for a month before the vote too?
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Wasn't the full language of the ACA also available online for a month before the vote too?
Forgotten_Taco
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It's all in the font size.
He doesn't have the experience. Though, he's charismatic and energetic, and that seems to be all that matters for a dem canddiate so he could probably get away with it. I'm voting not-Trump in 2020 so whoever makes it through the dem primary process will have to do. Even if it's fucking Oprah..... Ugh....
Stumpokapow
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I generally disagree with the popular belief that experience does not matter for the presidency. I think Obama ran too early (probably because he didn't want to run too late) and the fact that Donald Trump could become president, not just based on his repulsive ideas but also his total lack of competence or qualification, is nuts. This is something I've changed my mind on a bit over the last few years, even before Trump -- and actually a lot of drum-beating about how great Julian Castro was was one reason I came to my current opinion. I would prefer people to spend at least 4 years as governor or at least 6 years as senator before running. If I had to pick a single person to run for president for the dems in 2020, I'd pick Kirsten Gillibrand.
That would be nice. I think the Democrats could feasibly beat Heller, and Kibuen is as good as any.
Some friends of mine have done extensive research on Latino candidate recruitment, and unfortunately one barrier is that Latinos generally have weaker professional/party networks and so are less likely to get institutional support for open races. The Republican party actually does better on Latino candidate recruitment by some metrics (admittedly whiter Latinos and Cubans -- so a very different time of Latino, for sure). :/
Hurricane_Chris
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Blame Dems for interfering with them passing a pure version of the bill. Say that the remnants of Obama care are the cause of the parts that fail thr hardest. Simple.
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thepotatoman
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Do you think the same criteria applies to the VP nominee? I'm partial to the idea that Democrats should try to include a minority on the ticket to some extent, but there's a very limited number of experienced minority candidates and of those (Cory Booker, Deval Patrick) they don't fit in particularly well with the direction the party is trying to head.
neurosisxeno
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Give me that Franken/Kander ticket. No way Castro gets the nom for 2020.
Triscuitable
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It was mostly a joke. Mostly. I'll take anyone who isn't GOP, frankly, as long as they're not a obviously inexperienced imbecile like Kanye, or a self-interested plutocrat like Zuckerberg.
Why, exactly?
It's been a day dude. Democrats may be spineless on a few things, but healthcare is an issue they feel passionately about and will fight back on. This was one of the more infamous attack ads early in this decade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U
Fragamemnon
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The midterms are a referendum on Republicans and Trump, the only job of the Democratic party is to grind everything to a standstill and make Republicans look conflicted and ineffectual as they lurch between their corporate overlords and Bannon's bag o' nationalist cray-cray.
Branding/messaging aren't very important at this stage in the game-discipline and reducing GOP options are what matters most. A large reason why this plan is such a dud is that they had no way to get Democratic votes to buy cover for other members of their party.
JesseEwiak
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Liberal woman whose attractive without being too pretty (ie. Mom hot) and doesn't have a "bitchy" voice, doesn't have 20 years of baggage, has managed to win a conservative leaning district before, can raise gobs of money from New York, and has experience without being seen as "Establishment" to non-partisans.
Must've made a sick ass Bannon joke.
Stumpokapow
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She strikes me as eminently competent, she successfully navigated moving from a conservative upstate house district to state-wide success, while politically moderate she is positioning herself well on opposition to Trump, she is well-spoken and hard working, she's good on corruption and transparency, she's got enough experience but not so much that people will give her grief about being a lifer, she's young for a potential candidate, she's attractive and comes off well on television, she's an excellent fundraiser. I think she can run, I think she can win, I think she'd find good support within the party.
Other than financial services donors, and working for a tobacco company before politics, she has relatively few associations that can tar or feather her. Anyone in New York will have Wall Street money, and unlike Booker she's not identified with aggressive defence of Wall Street stuff.
She'll be in the middle of a term, so if she loses, she'll keep being a Senator.
I'm not sure if she's run, but if she does there aren't many serving Democrats I'd want over here, even though there are many serving Democrats ideologically closer to me.
...and then I said "No! I hate the poor more than you,and I'll prove it!"
*slaps hand on healthcare bill*
Stumpokapow
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I don't think Democrats should engage in tokenism. I would certainly welcome a minority VP, and I agree that experience is less of an issue with a VP (although people promoting Castro for Clinton were nuts -- search my post history, I've been calling this a nuts idea for literally 2 and a half years now).
I don't think Deval Patrick would be end of the world awful, although I think he was an unremarkable governor and how on earth they let Martha Coakley run and thus lose to Charlie Baker (who I am convinced will run for President) is beyond me, and that's partially on Patrick.
Among other male minorities, I think pickins are pretty slim for 2020 -- I list some prominent Latino Democrats above who might one day be in position, although none in particular seem like good 2020 bets for me.
Among women, I think any of the following would make a good VP: Kamala Harris; Amy Klobuchar; Kirsten Gillibrand; Maria Cantwell; Tammy Baldwin; Kate Brown. I can't think of many others in position to be VP for a 2020 ticket, although maybe I'm underselling a few.
Julian Castro has as much experience as Obama when he ran. And another great thing for Castro is no voting record. He can not be attacked by the GOP on his voting history. He is clean.
Throw the old playbook in the trash to win elections. Julian Castro would be the Anti-Trump to the core.
*Something something "we told them the health would trickle down" something something*
Watching Paul Ryan tout that he's worked on this for 20 years just makes it funnier that it's a dumpster fire.
I'm hoping this never shakes off obamacare moniker. For all their hysteria about it, nothing would make me happier for Obamacare to live on in name.
American Medical Association opposes GOP RyanCare bill.
https://www.ama-assn.org/sites/default/files/media-browser/public/washington/ama-letter-on-ahca.pdf
https://www.ama-assn.org/sites/default/files/media-browser/public/washington/ama-letter-on-ahca.pdf
Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but the bill is actually called 'World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017'. Like, seriously.
Like what the actual flying fuck?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
Like what the actual flying fuck?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
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Well it's going to kill a lot of poor people. I guess it depends on your metric for Great. It's great for the GOP and the wealthy, may be the greatest ever in that regard!
BlueTsunami
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NPR pushing the fact that this fucks old people. Them active voters gonna shit down the GOPs chest
A Serious Man
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Trump's one contribution to the bill.
Hahahaha. Wow. This is absurd.
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I'm pretty sure that's not actually the AHCA.
So these "high risk pools" are for people who are probably going to have high medical bills, right? And they're being kept separate from healthy people so that the healthy people habe to pay less for their healthcare?
If that's true that's one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard, the entire point of healthcare as I understand it it is that everyone puts money into the same pot. Healthy people paying the bills for the sick ones is kind of the point, it's what makes the system work!
If that's true that's one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard, the entire point of healthcare as I understand it it is that everyone puts money into the same pot. Healthy people paying the bills for the sick ones is kind of the point, it's what makes the system work!
Nobody with Baker's policy record could ever get through the GOP presidential primaries.
Sounds like socialism to me! Why do you hate America?
Omegasquash
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She won the primaries, but she was awful against Baker in the debates. I believe that Patrick worked on the Boston Olympic bid committee, and I'm pretty sure that Coakley ended up doing work for Draft Kings (or some similar service).
I'm not too sure about Baker's aspirations, however he seems like a Republican that uses his brain. Granted he'd get pulled right just like Romney did, but if he were to resist that, then I think he'd be the best candidate that the GOP has had in years. And I'm saying that as a guy that doesn't fully trust Baker yet.
Yeah, the language isn't the same.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/republicans-truce-on-obamacare/484709/
It's the remix of Pete Sessions' H.R. 5284The Worlds Greatest Healthcare Plan Act of 2016 he proposed back in May.
How can Trump be okay with this plan when he campaigned on more universal healthcare than Obama could even provide? That was one thing that made him stand out from the rest of the GOP.
People forget he said he had a great secret plan to provide more people better coverage. Reporters should start asking these questions daily. "President said on Jan 8th, and I quote"..." Use his words against him so he can't weasel out of them.
Trumps thoughts on the matter:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/...n-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
I don't think he even knows what is coming out of his mouth. "The plan, is good plan, because the plan is a plan. And that's good, plans. Good. No plans, SAD!".
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/...n-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
I don't think he even knows what is coming out of his mouth. "The plan, is good plan, because the plan is a plan. And that's good, plans. Good. No plans, SAD!".
Future PhaZe
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trump was always just gonna pass whatever so he could checkmark the box and try to use his disinformation machine to sooth away the negatives
That's because no-one can afford catheters any more.
Plinko
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Once again, a lot of words that mean nothing.
"thoughts"
Nah. it's called fucking over poor people for the wealthy because you hate Obama and anything he has done.
He talks without saying a damn thing. He's really going to back this shit fully huh?
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