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It's weird to say... but in this case I think the animations are a total deal breaker. 
EA/OA Mass Effect Andromeda includes Day1 Patch, no launch day animation improvements
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Blue Ninja
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Nah, I created her, looked great! Does in most situation still, but for some reason her mouth turns into a frown and down turns in any conversation scene....
I prefer the combat in ME1 compared to the other 2, but I was playing on PC.
But think about it, if the characters and story was the thing keeping you in and made you a fan of the series because the combat wasn't a dealbreaker, but now the combats good but the part of the game you liked has been diminished because you can't take some of these characters seriously, why would that not be a dealbreaker for them?
Son Of Sparda
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Yeah, I think Asian female is the way to go if you are gonna use CC. I really liked the one from that gamespot video.
And boy, don't get me started on characters being great in CC and bad in actual game, in other Bioware titles. My Inquisitor looked perfect in the CC, dammit!
Noisepurge
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quoted for truth.
Why did you ignore the parts about the atrocious writing?
Fans of ME1 put up with bad combat and shitty inventory for the same exact reasons you hear complaints now. Those fans enjoyed storytelling, and ME1 delivered in that arena, at least where it mattered.
ME:A seems to be written by high school students. Or maybe excerpts from their diaries? Actually parts are more like the diaries of foreign exchange students trying to expand their use of English. The dialogue is that bad. If you can't understand why storytelling fans are upset at bad storytelling then I'm not sure what to tell you.
If you enjoy that sort of dialogue, good for you. Have a blast. But if you can't step back and realize this sort of hammy exposition-laden character interaction is off-putting to some, I'm not sure what common ground is possible.
Trivial? It's one of the major parts of the game. Mass Effect is exploration, combat, and conversations and if the third pillar of the game is worse than a game from 10 years ago and frankly unbelievable, then it's difficult to see why bother with the game until it's improved or at a lower price point.
Of course people are going to ditch a game at its current state when one of its major aspects in regards to its narrative is off-putting and immersion-breaking.
Then delayed it's so simple god!!
CommandThrower
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The most important characters to me look just fine. If a few side characters look janky, then that's fine with me.
I liked what I played in the EA Access demo, so this is a day one game for me.
I liked what I played in the EA Access demo, so this is a day one game for me.
Skyrim gets shit on constantly and Zelda made a choice not to do that for its game design, so that's a laughable comparison.
For me, ME lives and dies on it's characters because I find the combat to be mindless and repetitive. If the character is smiling while she says that someone close to her died mere hours ago, and then there's an awkward pause before acting like Pingu with their mouth, it's a big deal. If the same thing happened in a game where talking happens every two hours and I'm enjoying exploring an open world or the combat, it's not going to be.
If you don't buy the collectible lunch box and full body pillow I'm not sure how you can call yourself a true fan.
It goes without saying that true fans also can't criticize the game because, after all, part of the title of this game shares the same title as some earlier games. It's a new galaxy but the same universe, after all.
Kenzodielocke
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They released a patch weeks ago, it's called Horizon Zero Dawn.
I mean, at the end of the day, I'm going in on this hard because I want to love it. I'm liking it all to my love of the Matrix movie and then the sequels. Sure, I kinda get pissed of at moments in Mass Effect 3 and man this game sucks donkey dick in some areas and I will recommend anyone who asks who has not played the first 3 to avoid this game if they ask me, but am I going to play like I will watch the Matrix sequels after watching the first one? You goddamn right I am.
HURRR GUYS FTL IS ALREADY OUT
Hey maybe she's just remembering when she and that person watched pingu together. Who is to say? Clearly 6 hours of a game is too early to criticize what could just be an awkward opening. Trust that Bioware will have a side mission (or DLC) to explain to you why you should care about the death 12 hours earlier! /s
Same here, I wouldn't be able to take this game seriously. Sad, really..
EarsOfASnake
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XD, I wonder how many times we have to do this dance with videogames before people accept the reality in front of them. It's a business and any media is aimed at putting the product in the best light possible....unless there isn't any media because there is low faith in the product.
Hahaha, fair enough. I will probably grab it on deep discount (I expect $20 by xmas) unless many reviews from trusted sources specifically mention "yeah in the opening, dialogue is terrible, characters are heavy handed, but after 10 hours they actually speak like people do." Something to indicate that the intro was written by interns or completely rewritten like 4 weeks ago.
Just like I saw Matrix sequels on DVD a few months later. If I know it's likely going to be a bad or mediocre experience for me, I will try to wait it out. I expect the price to fall about as quick as DA:I, probably while they patch darker iris and more CC options.
Backfoggen
Banned
Where is the Dolby vision support
Agent_ShortBus
Member
I can live with the janky animations and the funny faces as long as the PC optimization is good and I can hit a rock solid 60 fps. Please include SLI support soon though. Im gonna avoid the dumb characters faces by having the helmets equiped in cutscenes.
I think some people are having trouble with a fluctuating frame rate in the PC Performance thread. For me, it only really hits during conversations and the camera angles changing during them and GSync smooths most of that out.
the problem is that these forms of excuses is what enthusiasts are propagating in order to rationalize their hype and sustain their hope. There's probably a term in psychology for this sort of mental mechanism when you're emotionally invested in something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-msmx9yW5Q&feature=youtu.be
Eugh, no fix? They LITERALLY need to fix the spacing of her eyes and get rid of that mongoloid permanent smile she has on her face.
Eugh, no fix? They LITERALLY need to fix the spacing of her eyes and get rid of that mongoloid permanent smile she has on her face.
Here's the thing. This ME is made by an entirely different studio and set in a completely different galaxy with a completely disconnected story using a completely different engine that just so happens to have the same species of aliens as the original mass effect . So why exactly would a "true ME fan" give this shit anything other than the sternest of "what is this bullshit?" You would think a "true ME fan" would be outraged over the clear rushed cash grab attempt made to capitalize on their most beloved franchise.
Y'all are so focused on the name "Mass Effect" that you fail to realize you're defending the very shit you should be ripping to shreds. This ain't Mass Effect it is EA slaps Mass Effect paint on a crappy product from an inexperienced studio to make money off of a microstransaction farm GAAS Multiplayer platform. This shit with its awful animations, terrible rushed character design, god awful dialogue and story is a disgrace to the name of Bioware and to the name of the series you claim to hold so dear. This rushed crap and it's paint by the numbers story is an insult to the very things people loved about the original trilogy: its innovative, daring and well made stories/characters.So by all means get pissed but direct your indignation at the people actually to blame for this monstrous fuck up.
I guess what I'm saying is the ironic thing is that the true Mass Effect fans: the ones that loved the first games and what they stood for are the very people who are getting upset because we see what EA has turned this once great series into and we sure as fuck don't like it. We know exactly what this will likely mean for the franchise we love and we sure as hell don't want to support it. So stop defending the name and try defending the actual franchise.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Amen.
Seijuro
Member
Thanks for this post, it's quite true.
I wonder how the Director and Producer could let this happen
My guess: Troubles during project management, relatively new studio dealing with a new engine (UE3 -> Frostbite 3), 5 years and weird marketing indicate development hell, a subpar character creator at launch, sudden announcement of release date, last minute cancellation of MP beta, etc. EA had enough and decided to ship it.
If the first 6 hours look like a rushed cash grab, the rest probably is too.
The animations alone make this a sale bin game for me.
But they know people will buy it just because it says Mass Effect.
I agree with you on everything but multiplayer, but because I still haven't played it.
Depends on reviews on Monday. I imagine the brand will take a hit if the reviews are lukewarm. Hopefully the rest of the game is different than the first 6-10 hours (lol), but if not, we might expect disappointment and underwhelming reviews.
It's a narrative heavy game, of course audiovisual presentation and writing will matter. You cannot dismiss something you have to look at and go through for a vast majority of the game. Genres exist for a reason and that is why you see an higher importance on "non-gameplay" aspects in this game.
Besides, some early reviewers have expressed disappointment with the quests and the DA:I-like tasks, so there are gameplay concerns as well (except for combat)
It's a narrative focused RPG of course the narrative is going to be important. Like do you guys even hear yourselves with these comments? Story, caharacters and dialogue are important in an RPG. This is not some new revelation in game design. This has been true since before BioWare even made Baldur's Gate for crying out loud.
I mean, I found the combat in 2 and 3 to be boring and repetitive and that's not changed. Walking up to waist high walls means shits about to go down.
I was driven through it to get to the next part where I could interact with characters.
what utter bullshit saying "the true Mass Effect Fans"
There are plenty of true Mass Effect fans that are not spitting our dummies out and getting the pitchforks ready. The game has some issues but I for one still enjoyed it and will play the game happily on release.
I have lost count of the times I have played through Mass effect 1 and multiple play through of the others. is that "TRUE" enough for you.
If you just want to play a shooter, Call Of Duty is already out
RPG's are about interactions and emotions
Darkstorne
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Yep, worked out really well for Assassin's Creed Unity. The problem is this will hurt the brand name image, and just like AC Syndicate future sales in the series will severely suffer for it.
I agree with you that if this is what we can expect on day one it's not good enough, and I'll also be waiting for a price drop and some real patches. But as a fan of the series it's sad to see this happening. Mass 1 strived so hard to be a great action RPG, taking advantage of a new hardware generation to do brand new things for the genre as a whole and raising the bar with visuals. Andromeda has forgotten that's what made the series successful and is merely trying to be a Mass Effect game.
Yeah, I think opinion is going to be split on if you enjoy the Mass Effect 2 onwards combat or just tolerated it to get to the next story part. If you're in the latter like me, all this stuff is just horrible. If you like the shooting, then it's going to be easier to forgive the rest of it.
DrunkShogun
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Guess it's a witcher 3 scenario where you wait about a year for the game to be fixed. Will wait on gaf to tell me when it's good enough to return to.
Kill Your Masters
Member
Bingo.
Most of us knew though that Bioware as a whole will turn to shit eventually, the second the buyout from EA was announced.
The stans need to stop putting "true fans will buy this" in their mouths. Don't speak for everyone. Not all of us want to be parted from 70 bucks from a company that just sees us as suckers. I won't support a shit product no matter how big a fan I am of the previous games.
This is a narrative heavy franchise so no, "just gameplay" is not enough here.
Except this time you probably tolerate (or enjoy) the combat and then get to the next "comedic animations relief with bad dialogue" part.
UnluckyKate
Member
If gameplay is good but there no incentive to enjoy it I'd rather play multiplayer only. And not pay full price for it.
Or play destiny or warframe or other good gameplay game if I want mindless grind
lastplayed
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To be honest ME1's gameplay was shit. I never liked it. What got me through was the music, the story, the characters, Shepard being a jerk... it ended up being one of my favourite games despite the shitty gameplay.
I've just seen something weird posted on another forum.
A french retailer did a live of the game on the X1, they started a new game with the "sara quickstart" and... she doesn't look the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qG2T0FUlZU#t=1189
She also seem to have less messed up animations. But it look like it's the only noticeable difference, the eyes are also still dead inside.
A french retailer did a live of the game on the X1, they started a new game with the "sara quickstart" and... she doesn't look the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qG2T0FUlZU#t=1189
She also seem to have less messed up animations. But it look like it's the only noticeable difference, the eyes are also still dead inside.
Kill Your Masters
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Same. I was quite forgiving to all the gameplay flaws on multiple playthroughs because everything else nailed it for me.
Drew Karpyshyn never got properly replaced. (and EA happened)
Tertullian
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Well, it hurt, but I cancelled my $37 CDKeys.com preorder. I defended this game back when all we had were two or three cherrypicked GIFs posted ad nauseum, but I think we have enough data and impressions now to say that this game is just not going to be great.
Bioware shunted off one of their most valuable IPs on the B team, and it shows. They can't write competently. They can't plot competently. They can't make characters who don't look like putty-faced nightmares with lifeless doll eyes. Thry sure as hell can't make hair look like hair in Frostbyte. They can't make a game that's solid technically at launch. At least there's still good reason to think multiplayer will be fun. A fun horde mode is apparently the only think Bioware Montreal is capable of making competently. But that's a $15 buy down the road. This is just really disappointing.
Bioware shunted off one of their most valuable IPs on the B team, and it shows. They can't write competently. They can't plot competently. They can't make characters who don't look like putty-faced nightmares with lifeless doll eyes. Thry sure as hell can't make hair look like hair in Frostbyte. They can't make a game that's solid technically at launch. At least there's still good reason to think multiplayer will be fun. A fun horde mode is apparently the only think Bioware Montreal is capable of making competently. But that's a $15 buy down the road. This is just really disappointing.