There were several logs about how secretive Far Zenith was - that it was the collaboration of a bunch of billionaires but no one knew exactly who they were.
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There were several logs about how secretive Far Zenith was - that it was the collaboration of a bunch of billionaires but no one knew exactly who they were.
The entire time I was playing the game, I was thinking this is actually the future version of The Last of Us. I blame the decrepit buildings and overgrowth.
There's no telling what those billionaires were up to. There are a ton of different directions they could go with a sequel. And I also don't believe that civilization as a whole is on the same technological level in other areas of the US/planet.
There's no telling what those billionaires were up to. There are a ton of different directions they could go with a sequel. And I also don't believe that civilization as a whole is on the same technological level in other areas of the US/planet.
Some things I liked in the random data points was stuff like one of the more popular music groups was called the Grey Swarm and was known for crazy stage shows if I remember it correctly. I'm assuming this band was famous during the last few years on the planet and knowing everything else surrounding operation Enduring Victory, was another means of making sure humanity that wasn't fighting the Faro plague was distracted.\
Another one was that Doomsday cult and the Clawback Decade. Really like the Clawback Decade stuff as it was so damn hopeful. Humanity had found a way to heal the planet using AI and robots and then it all went so bad only a few decades later. I believe there is a datapoint where Elizabet says something about how long they fought to save the Amazon Rainforest and it will be consumed by armies of warmachines.
Another one was that Doomsday cult and the Clawback Decade. Really like the Clawback Decade stuff as it was so damn hopeful. Humanity had found a way to heal the planet using AI and robots and then it all went so bad only a few decades later. I believe there is a datapoint where Elizabet says something about how long they fought to save the Amazon Rainforest and it will be consumed by armies of warmachines.
LastMinuteHero
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Haha what if rico is a clone of Ted? Both seem to fuck up at a catastrophic level.The real villain behind it all will be revealed in the sequel and will make Ted Faro look like a saint:
Btw, why is it called the Forbidden West? What's so forbidden about it? With the Nora people forbidden means stuff from the old ones or metal world so maybe there's a relation there?
It sounds like everyone who was sent to explore it either never returned or came back half dead and crazy. There are some datapoints about the stories and rumors about fields of grass as far as the eye can see that are sharp as razors and all kinds of insane and crazy machines and the same for the people who inhabit the place. Its hard to tell what is just basically myth and folklore and what's actually real.
LastMinuteHero
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Man I really hope we can explore there in the expansion or sequel
The Carja call it forbidden because everyone who has gone there has never returned, including a Sun King and all of his guards. The Forbidden West is really just California. When they say blue hills as far as the eye can see, they're talking about the Pacific Ocean.
LastMinuteHero
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That's a nice catch. So there are probably big ass aquatic machines prowling over there huh?
One can hope!
No. I don't know why people keep asking this. Ted is a regular person, not some demigod. He went to his own private bunker to die in luxury. The closest thing to him being alive is a small miniscule possibility of him having a clone, but he didn't have either the machinery, embryos, nor the ingenuity to do that. He was just a rich asshole who crashed a program.
Wasn't there also a datapoint about digitizing the minds of certain thinkers, creators, geniuses and so on? I believe it was one of many ideas that was floated alongside Project Zero Dawn but never got to completion.
oh shit I missed this, is this right after the moment he dies? maybe i am just forgetting. why did he get cast out
LastMinuteHero
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Nah I think you can only talk to teersa again when you're near the end game.
Basically, Rost was cast out because he left the Sacred Lands as a Death Seeker to kill the fuckers who butchered his family and people. Nora customs are a bitch.
I'm sure others can tell the story better though
Edit: Thanks HStallion
Its after you exit the mountain finding out the truth about who Aloy is. The story is pretty long but the gist of it was a group of strangers entered Nora land, kidnapped a bunch of people including Rost's daughter and exited after a few days and killed the hostages as they left Nora lands knowing they wouldn't leave to collect them.
Then we learn that Rost asked for the most terrible rite possible for the Nora, to become a Death Seeker where his soul remains in the motherland but his body is allowed to leave and seek revenge. Rost retrieves the bodies and brings them back so they can be given proper burials and then disappears after the gang of strangers.
Everyone thinks him dead and gone but he returns over a year later half dead and is dragged across the border by a Nora who broke taboo and knew Rost. He apparently went all over the known and unknown world even into the Forbidden West to chase down the entire group of people and kill them all. The last one got the drop on him though and nearly killed him before succumbing.
The Matriarchs didn't quite know what to do with him since a Death Seeker was never intended to return, let alone live. He was almost like a zombie to them as his soul had left his body but Rost willingly made himself an outcast and lived his life alone until he was given Aloy.
LastMinuteHero
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Just a conversation with teersa. And she told it very well.
Did you find the logs that were mocking people who emigrated to China because they still had real jobs there?
Orochinagis
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Teersa also mention areas not reachable in game,I mean those Carja assassins werent simple assassins since they spread to different regions
potatohead
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So did I miss anything story wise besides the Sylens betrayal thing?
I didn't really think it was all that great. It seemed very obvious what happened from the start of the game, or some variation of how the apocalypse of robots came.
Wasn't a fan personally. But I enjoyed the game a lot. A little too long for me though.
A lot of parts just felt like disjointed from one another, like the beginning tribal section to the cities section. Like "this part ended, we're not going to refer to it ever again now." I dunno, I love GG but storytelling here was spotty. Story may be interesting, but delivery has lots of space for improvement.
I didn't really think it was all that great. It seemed very obvious what happened from the start of the game, or some variation of how the apocalypse of robots came.
Wasn't a fan personally. But I enjoyed the game a lot. A little too long for me though.
A lot of parts just felt like disjointed from one another, like the beginning tribal section to the cities section. Like "this part ended, we're not going to refer to it ever again now." I dunno, I love GG but storytelling here was spotty. Story may be interesting, but delivery has lots of space for improvement.
Just finished. Fantastic game but have some questions.
- I'm a little confused about the timeline - what caused the 'derangement' and injection of malicious code not the cauldrons? Was that hades after being uncovered? Was all that happening at the same time? GAIA detected HADES going rogue so triggered Aloy's birth and self destructed, and the derangement happened at the same time?
I'm still not understanding why hades and other systems broke away when it was first started up, I don't think that was explained well. They set up HADES to be a reset button in case GAIA doesn't do a good job, but not why it got loose, or why it somehow ended up in a Titan?
Are we to assume that all normal robots became docile towards humans again? I'm surprised there wasn't any touching on GAIA's repair and whether they'll be able to do anything with APOLLO or if that really is gone forever. That seems weird to me. I'd have preferred it to have been a malfunction so there wasn't potential for it to be available, but it hadn't been up to now.
Do we have any idea how far in the future we are?
- I'm a little confused about the timeline - what caused the 'derangement' and injection of malicious code not the cauldrons? Was that hades after being uncovered? Was all that happening at the same time? GAIA detected HADES going rogue so triggered Aloy's birth and self destructed, and the derangement happened at the same time?
I'm still not understanding why hades and other systems broke away when it was first started up, I don't think that was explained well. They set up HADES to be a reset button in case GAIA doesn't do a good job, but not why it got loose, or why it somehow ended up in a Titan?
Are we to assume that all normal robots became docile towards humans again? I'm surprised there wasn't any touching on GAIA's repair and whether they'll be able to do anything with APOLLO or if that really is gone forever. That seems weird to me. I'd have preferred it to have been a malfunction so there wasn't potential for it to be available, but it hadn't been up to now.
Do we have any idea how far in the future we are?
Berserker976
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I'll try my hand at answering these:
what caused the 'derangement' and injection of malicious code not the cauldrons?
-HEPHAESTUS is the cause of the derangement and the intrusions into the cauldrons. 19 years before the game GAIA was hit by a signal from an unknown source that turned all of her subroutines into self-aware, increasingly chaotic AIs. After the AIs are broken off from GAIA and GAIA self-destructs they start acting erratically. HEPHAESTUS changes priority from building machines in support of GAIA's terraforming, to self-preservation. It views humans as a threat to the robotic wildlife, and so makes changes to the machines for the purpose of fighting that threat.
I'm still not understanding why hades and other systems broke away when it was first started up, I don't think that was explained well. They set up HADES to be a reset button in case GAIA doesn't do a good job, but not why it got loose, or why it somehow ended up in a Titan?
- HADES broke itself and the other AIs off from GAIA 19 years ago, up until that point GAIA had been working as intended (save for APOLLO, courtesy of Ted Faro). As for the reason HADES and the other AIs malfunctioned in the first place, all we have to go on is GAIA's description of a "signal from an unknown source." HADES ended up in a Horus after breaking his and the other AIs' "code chains" in an attempt to flee from a self-destructing GAIA Prime.
Are we to assume that all normal robots became docile towards humans again?
- No, since the derangement is due to HEPHAESTUS lacking the central governing AI of GAIA
I'm surprised there wasn't any touching on GAIA's repair and whether they'll be able to do anything with APOLLO or if that really is gone forever.
- As far as we know APOLLO is gone for good. Ted Faro fully deleted it and the only other copy was on Odyssey, and that exploded before Zero Dawn was even complete.
Do we have any idea how far in the future we are?
- The game takes place 900-1,000 years after Zero Day, humans were forcibly released from Cradle facilities ~700 years ago
Hope this helps!
I literally found every single log there was. I was talking about in the game world, as in if in the sequel we go to a different part of the world/the US there may be more or less technologically developed groups/tribes/cities.
Miniature Kaiju
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As for actual dates, complete global extinction happened in 2066 and the game is set in 3040.
Well, that's why I mentioned the China one. It sounded like they were far less automated than the U.S. (Which doesn't make a lot of sense, but whatever.)
you spelled Ted Faro wrong
STILLethal
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Kojima doesn't have the restraint to make a game as tight as this
Uh. yeah lol. If you've seen him on Fringe or The Wire its unmistakable that is sylense. Especially when you hear his voice for the first time through your focus.
Not seen fringe or the wire (I know...they are both on my infinite backlog)
Primethius
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Fuck him too, but he's long dead. Sylens still walks the Earth up to no good.
This one little story beat just sits wrong with me. Maybe guerilla wanted to avoid the new world becoming too advanced in a future sequel, but it was a very sudden and significant event, and you'd think there would be better safeguards than just allowing some exec to del *.*
Agreed to a point. The guy is a tech genius with a huge guilty conscience, but why kill the fucking scientists and historians in GAIA Prime? That part makes no sense to me. He already deleted APOLLO, there's no way they were going to restore it.
He had all the access, he was paying for everything.
Ted decided to blame technology as the problem instead of himself. He is a great villain.
With Gaia's help and decades to work, they could have done enough.
forgeforsaken
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Yeah it's Lance Reddick, best known from The Wire or Fringe also did voicework on Destiny and Quantum Break.
MegaSackman
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Besides they state that everyone should try to keep him happy like an old grandpa so I imagine he was mostly going around freely with no one paying attention to him.
broscientific
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No, but they could supplement it with their own knowledge to a point. I mean, they were all pretty much the foremost experts in their fields, so if he left them alive, they could probably spend the rest of their lives replacing the archives with their own knowledge.
Wasn't APOLLO at a separate site though? They were all locked in at GAIA Prime.
STILLethal
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I reallyyyyy need to watch The Wire
broscientific
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Sure, but it had to be networked somehow for it to be present at all the Cradle facilities, and for Faro to be able to delete it.
MegaSackman
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Fantastic character but if he's going to put people and civilization at risk, he's a villain in a way. However I do agree we have to wait what's going to happen, right now he's the only one that knows that there's something else going on that is a treat.
Aloy heard the message as well, no? Maybe she didn't put it together, idk.
The real villain behind it all will be revealed in the sequel and will make Ted Faro look like a saint:
OMG I forgot all about what Rico did. But still, fuck Ted Faro.
Solving the matter of who sent the unknown signal and whatnot.He helped resurrect HADES. He helped the Eclipse, built their Focus Network, helped resurrect the machines. Then at the end, he uses Aloy to capture HADES and it looks like he's going to plug him into an even bigger Metal Devil.
He's a fucking villain in my book. Everything he did, he did for his own gain and fucked over and/or killed thousands of people.