That has no impact on Ending E though. They both lead into it.
NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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That has no impact on Ending E though. They both lead into it.
Wait what? I didn't know this. I guess it's because I got D first? Did you need both C and D to get the prompt for E?
Yep. E only triggers if you've gotten both.
KO Traveling Hobo
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It might be worth noting that starting E from chapter select tosses you into ending C.
It had to be one or the other.
Actuaaaaaally that's a good point. What is there to revive if 9S leaves Earth?
They're androids, they aren't revived, their memories are just placed into a new body. You could say that each time it happens the original dies and is replaced with a copy.
I actually find it funny that the game confronts stuff like losing your original self, but they take transporters like it's no big deal.
It is kind of a weird thing with androids because they, obviously, decided for themselves at some point to only duplicate their memories across one body at a time, to retain some sense of continual individuality. Has some implications for android "morals" but I haven't given it much thought
KO Traveling Hobo
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Given how deliberate the rest of the game is, I think it's worth acknowledging, even if it isn't treated as gospel.
They're supposed to be the Machines' attempt at birthing a counter to the Androids.
I always saw it as just their attempt to get even closer to humanity, but that could explain why they had such advanced combat abilities.
Isaac Otherworld
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That's what I thought. But I feel like the Watchers intervened in their creation because what we see makes so little sense otherwise.
The machines started to introduce randomness into their own "advancement" in order to simulate a kind of "evolution" whereby machines specialize in this or that. Pascal and his kind are one result of the splintering of their progress. Adam and Eve are another.
Yup, this.
I just did ending E and the notification popped up saying if you would like to save someone else in the game at the cost of your own save file. Of course I said yes thinking this is yet another morality tale and I'm not really going to use my save files. But now all I see are empty slots. Tell me I really didn't lose all the game progress.
It's gone. Unless you backed up with cloud save.
Mr. Smiley
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The game wasn't playing around.
I'm still in kind of shock right now. I can't believe game actually did it. Because game provided this choice in the context of me helping out another player I didn't think game was going to delete everything IRL.
Isaac Otherworld
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And the satisfaction of helping someone in need.
How About No
Member
In shock or no, you're a good person regardless <3
Yoko Taro sends his regards. Future Automata players thank you for your service. Jokes aside the game warns you several times because they want you to be absolutely sure. These games don't mess around. If it says it's going to delete your data that's what it's going to do. It would not mean anything if the stakes were not real.
Astrael
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I wonder what the difference between a corrupted and infected body is (or was meant to be if they omitted it) when you repair downed players? Towards the end of Route C I was getting a near 100% infected rate on anyone I tried to repair, but never saw a corruption.
I'm assuming this ties back to the original NieR, since early androids blended in with humanity. Androids have been around since humans still existed (Devola and Popola being the prime example here). If you're talking about anything more specific though I'm not sure.
I'm assuming this ties back to the original NieR, since early androids blended in with humanity. Androids have been around since humans still existed (Devola and Popola being the prime example here). If you're talking about anything more specific though I'm not sure.
what, you mean like the gothic aesthetic, or the fact they are human-shaped and pretty?
The former is thematic only.
For the later, "Made by humans" seems to be good enough a reason for me. (If you mean YoRHa, then both can easily be explained with the "humans as gods" mentality w/ YoRHa androids being quasi-angelic in their dress (Black signifying a subversion of the purity and truth than angels have) and their looks.)
KO Traveling Hobo
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How About No
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They founds some ancient anime dvds and just assumed that's what we all look and act like
no wait that's another game
omg lol
Rickenslacker
Banned
Now you know true loss.
I agree with this although they could also merge C and D for a sequel.
It's Yoko Taro. It'll spin off of the mackerel ending.
It was always meaningless tho
Not really. I like being a completionist for games I really enjoy and a platinum trophy is good way to signify the effort it takes.
Exentryk
Member
Yeah, and I love how Yoko Taro mocks the whole system.
Yea but I mean... you can still do them though instead of buying them if you want to put in said effort. Your stance is that doing so is now suddenly pointless because now you can just buy them.
But from my perspective, it still would be pointless even if that feature didn't exist. After all, there's no actual value to it other than the joy/satisfaction/etc. that some people get from doing the arbitrary challenges. So with that being said, I don't see why you couldn't just pretend it doesn't exist and get the Platinum through orthodox methods if it means that much to you.
Heh, first and only Platinum I'll ever bother to get.
So then you got the joke.
I never said "pointless", I said "meaningless". There is a difference. If you couldn't just buy the trophy, it would represent only the people who put in the effort to unlock it. In this case it represents both people who unlocked it normally and those who used the shortcut. A dumb analogy would be a college diploma you could just buy with money.
Although, sure in the grand scheme of things trophies don't have any "value". But if there is one thing Nier Automata has taught me is that "value" and "meaning" is just a matter of prospective.
lol yea, I get the joke Taro is making.
So, for my midterm essay in my Media Theory class, I am going to write about this game and how philosophical concepts can be encoded in gameplay (which goes against some of the articles I read, which say you cannot encode philosophical concepts in gameplay).
Wish me luck, Nier-Gaf
Wish me luck, Nier-Gaf
what rubbish articles are those lol
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
They most definitely had some preprogrammed helpers inside.
Think of it as some of the developers wanting to break the cycle as well.
Glass Rebel
Member
I sorta get this view because other artforms don't have a component like gameplay that is primarily concerned with being enjoyable/rewarding/etc., which inevitably limits your possibilities as a creator...
...but that would be ignoring the numerous examples which do it.
Anyway, good luck with your essay. NieR is a great choice.