"'When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression "
Polygon: COD WWIIs diversity is nothing more than marketing
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"'When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression "
Here we are in a topic that is a perfect example, yet I guess it must be my imagination. But thanks for including ANTIFA as another example. Pretty hateful bunch.
☑ doesn't understand inclusivity
☑ believes in anti-white reverse-racism
☑ opposes the anti-fascist movement
☑ won't source their own arguments
Enjoy your day, friendo. We're done here.
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
I'm not a reader of the site, but based on what gets filtered through here, the business model is to put moral degenerates in the digital stocks and encourage others to join in the pillorying.
Sorry didn't have time to scroll for 10 pages.
Has someone already post this pic about how diversive and inclusive Polygon itself is?
The groups are ranged by numbers: white men, white women, a man of color, women of color.
source: https://twitter.com/retropcan/status/857508643578802176
Has someone already post this pic about how diversive and inclusive Polygon itself is?
The groups are ranged by numbers: white men, white women, a man of color, women of color.
source: https://twitter.com/retropcan/status/857508643578802176
stump sock
Member
not supporting ANTIFA is not the same thing as not supporting anti-fascism
My life has been anything but privileged, but thanks for assuming just because I am white that it must be so!
TheSpoiler
Member
My man ironcreed worried about the real problem at hand here.
White genocide.
White genocide.
Nice checklist of assumptions that does not describe me at all. Let me guess, I am a racist?
At any rate, yes we are done. As I am done with NeoGAF. It has been on a downward spiral for years now with this virtue signaling radical bullshit that is all about being inclusive only for people who think the exact same way, and I know that I am not the only one to see it. This place is a far cry from what it used to be and it's sad to see. It's been real, folks.
That is exactly what it means. If you are white, it means whatever socioeconomic situation you are in is statistically and socially better than that same situation for a non-white person.
You could be broke as fuck. But you don't have to be black in an anti-black world on top of it.
Edit: Of course you're leaving. Of course.
Ken Adams
Member
Stop it dude, you're embarrassing yourself.
If you have a hard timing emphasising with certain ethnicities being the victim of systemic oppression.
Make up the scenario that your ethnicity is starting to be oppressed.
You make 14 posts on average per day. You won't stay away no more than 2 days.
When you come back keep in mind the privilege you have comes from inherently being white.
You may not be able to leverage it as easily as others but it will always be available to you while inaccessible for non-whites.
And don't forget the French colonial troops!
(And the Maori as someone else mentioned)
Ninja Scooter
Member
You won't be missed.
The article is the opposite of what you think it is. It's saying that there is diversity but it's there to sell to people that like diversity. It's calling their inclusion of a diverse cast a money grab.
On topic: ...So Polygon somehow took the dumb conservative minority shoehorning argument and mixed it with a dumb liberal purity test.
Are they trying to make everyone mad and just get angry clicks?
In all honesty, I don't care if it's done for money. Diversity is good and the better the content of that diversity the happier I am. I don't care about their motivation for including it as long as they do a good job.
Can you cite at least one example? So far, you have provided nothing.
Ninja Scooter
Member
People are saying NeoGaf is anti white. This is just what people are saying. It's what I'm hearing.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
Man, I try not to be the guy who reflexively defends games from criticisms about diversity. But this really does seem like a "nothing could have made them happy" situation.
Neither will you. Now kindly go fuck yourself.
hanspampel
Banned
Polygon is genius
edit:
also this topic is already a total fuck up as every political one these days on neogaf or the whole internet
edit:
also this topic is already a total fuck up as every political one these days on neogaf or the whole internet
SpartanN92
Banned
No. Have to prove Actual Malice... google search Sullivan v NYT
I thought you were leaving (of your own accord).
Ninja Scooter
Member
Well that was quick. How was your 90 second vacation from NeoGaf? You must feel refreshed and ready to resume your role as spokesperson for white privelage! Such bravery!
Wow.
Perfectly said. I'm white and not from a very "privileged" background either but white privilege and how that affects me positively and non-whites negatively is blatant.
This is like the worst studio to target with this complaint.
Ok, now I'm actually angry. Polygon is straight up bullshit.
Damn son. Weren't you leaving?
Charles Brandon
Member
...anyway...
Muffin1611
Banned
Not even mentioning the various explanations on your misunderstanding of white privilege and instead stooping to insulting.
Checks out.
Bloodporne
Member
That's not true, I've liked many of his/her game posts.
Kralamoonard
Member
Jeez, chill the heckout. Take a step back, edit your posts and think about what you've been writing for the past two pages. Actually think about what people are telling you. They're not out to get you. You're completely missing their points.
There's legit no need to go out with a 'bang' to try and be a edge-lord or hero of some sort. You'll regret it soon enough and lurk GAF for months with hatred building up inside of you, as do most banned people here. The poster you've replied to has countered your points in the discussion, and you resort to this? What sort of credibility does it give your argument?
Charles Brandon
Member
Also news to me. There really are a huge number of untold stories in WW2. Or perhaps 'unheard' is a better word.
This does seem like a lot of baseless reaching from Polygon. Man their internal stuff is painful. I guess it always has been.
Yeah I've enjoyed a lot of ironcreed's presence.
Yeah I've enjoyed a lot of ironcreed's presence.
Oh well, at least he was kind. Unlike all these anti-white people who are everywhere (even though I can't quote one single example, but don't let the truth get in the way of my beliefs!)
(this post is sarcastic, of course, just in case it wasn't clear)
FrontalMonk
Banned
Whoa. I came in here to discuss the article and it looks like a totally different conversation going on.
At any rate, while the "all white male production" may not be correct, the blurbs that have dropped about this game do feel a little "checkboxy". Like, I'd love to be proven wrong, but the part that made me sit back and laugh was the blurb about how they're being extra careful to differentiate between the german army and nazi ideology, because not all germans were nazis.
Okay, sure, that makes sense, alt-right nazi shit is on the rise, gotta make sure that's settled. But that only makes sense if there's any narrative stakes for an axis character, and as far as we know, the only time anyone plays anything related to the axis powers it's just multiplayer. Like, who gives a shit about the inner turmoil between country and ideology when you're just picking your axis loadout? This isn't The Witcher, it's COD MP. If there were axis vignettes in the SP campaign that would be a totally different conversation, but it doesn't sound like that's the case at all.
At any rate, while the "all white male production" may not be correct, the blurbs that have dropped about this game do feel a little "checkboxy". Like, I'd love to be proven wrong, but the part that made me sit back and laugh was the blurb about how they're being extra careful to differentiate between the german army and nazi ideology, because not all germans were nazis.
Okay, sure, that makes sense, alt-right nazi shit is on the rise, gotta make sure that's settled. But that only makes sense if there's any narrative stakes for an axis character, and as far as we know, the only time anyone plays anything related to the axis powers it's just multiplayer. Like, who gives a shit about the inner turmoil between country and ideology when you're just picking your axis loadout? This isn't The Witcher, it's COD MP. If there were axis vignettes in the SP campaign that would be a totally different conversation, but it doesn't sound like that's the case at all.
Charles Brandon
Member
I dunno. I feel like it's a commonly held misconception that all members of the Wehrmacht were Nazis. People will often refer the German army simply as 'The Nazis'. The distinction may not mean much to you but it might if your grandfather was a German army conscript.
llien
Banned
Sorry, I'm new here, but I probably don't understand inclusivity either (is it spelled correctly?) I am happy to hear about it though, if people could do that without labeling me as, something.
I do believe anti-<any group of people> is wrong (it doesn't matter which word is used to describe it), anti-<some ideas> can be good or bad or in between, it depends. (for me of course)
To be fair, we don't know the full extent of casting either in terms of main characters or NPCs. It could be that they want to make an effort to show the effects of the war through the introduction of minor German NPCs who aren't of the Nazi regime but nonetheless get caught up in the mess. Who knows? I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt!
Inclusiveness just means including characters that aren't straight white men.
Bloodporne
Member
As a German, I actually appreciate that. I see your point in the second paragraph, but on a surface level I appreciate their sentiment, cash grab motivation or not.
The Albatross
Member
I'm sure someone's mentioned that Polygon is nearly all white, upper-middle class, majority male. I'd guarantee that they're less diverse than Sledgehammer and most big development teams.
As for the "Debate" they're bringing up ... Is a game called Call of Duty checkboxy, why, yes, it is. Call of Duty is the prime example of a produce-by-numbers, big time publication checkbox game. Everything is a checkbox for major published AAA titles. Is there a scene where the player loses all his guns? Yes. Is there a major battle sequence with QTEs and stuff you can't control but it looks cool? Yes. Is there a part where a grenade drops near you and in the chaos you lose all of your hearing? Yes. Is that followed up by a scene where your hearing comes back in a piecing whistle and then everything gets loud and sweary again? Yes. Are there inspirational quotes from world leaders before or after each mission? Yes. Check, check, check. 10, 15 years ago, though, there were no checkboxes for race, gender, or creed. Today there are.
As for the "Debate" they're bringing up ... Is a game called Call of Duty checkboxy, why, yes, it is. Call of Duty is the prime example of a produce-by-numbers, big time publication checkbox game. Everything is a checkbox for major published AAA titles. Is there a scene where the player loses all his guns? Yes. Is there a major battle sequence with QTEs and stuff you can't control but it looks cool? Yes. Is there a part where a grenade drops near you and in the chaos you lose all of your hearing? Yes. Is that followed up by a scene where your hearing comes back in a piecing whistle and then everything gets loud and sweary again? Yes. Are there inspirational quotes from world leaders before or after each mission? Yes. Check, check, check. 10, 15 years ago, though, there were no checkboxes for race, gender, or creed. Today there are.
llien
Banned
But I can imagine quite many types of characters that are not straight white men. (and I can't recall a game that didn't include women, or did you mean as protagonists?)
And shouldn't it depend on the context? I mean, say someone creates a game about raise of Zulu empire. Would not it make sense for that game to only include characters of African origin?
PS
I need to go offline, but will carefully read all answers tomorrow. Thank you in advance.
That is fine. However the trailer released for this game features none of the diversity talked about. The biggest piece of media for the game right now. That is all I was saying. We will hopefully see it all in the end but right now? That trailer does not show it.
Messofanego
Banned
Why is it people who get a little criticism just run the hell away without explaining themselves properly or sourcing their anti-white persecution complex?
Oh wait, it just got nasty.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Personally I would love for this to happen. I just don't think that it will, based on what we know. I think the idea is for players to have avatars for their headquarters mode that are of the Axis faction and to have some justification for it.
I mean I like the motivation, too. I'm American, but I would agree that WWII is a subject that requires far more care and nuance in gaming than it's received so far. I guess my thought is that I wish it could be more than it sounds like it will be. Like, the sentiment is great, but if it's just a marketing blurb and they don't actually do anything with it, which is what I think will happen, it's almost worse because of the squandered potential.
DarthMasta
Member
Even if it is true that it's all marketing, so what? Including more than just white men because you want people's money isn't a bad thing, is how you eventually get to including more than just white men because that's the normal thing to do.
Peroroncino
Member
This is like the worst studio to target with this complaint.
And yeah, looking at Polygon's staff, this really seems hypocritical.
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