It didn't hit me but the lady next to me bawled her eyes out lol!
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It didn't hit me but the lady next to me bawled her eyes out lol!
FlashbladeGAF
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That and his actual death, WW's scream, and berserker rage had me wiping my 3d glasses
Feel like this fell a bit short from being up there with the best Marvel movies, but it was still a mostly solid movie and the only DCEU movie I give any shits about. Far better intro to Wonder Woman than the bore-fest that was Captain America: First Avenger was to Captain America. In this I actually cared about the main character and the sacrifice at the end was at least somewhat moving vs. First Avenger leaving me very indifferent about Captain America and unsure about even wanting to see Winter Soldier (I only watched it a day before going to see WS).
The action was a bit divisive. When it seemed to have more focus on practical effects and CGI mostly enhancing real stuff and not being fully 100% CGI, the action was pretty cool, like Winter Soldier level "making the titular character look cool" awesomeness. But the CGI action in this was pretty bad. While Marvel movies often suffer from similar heavy usage of CGI (GOTG Vol. 2 had some shoddy CGI that took me out of the movie at times), I feel a lot of the CGI heavy stuff is still done better than most of the CGI heavy stuff in Wonder Woman. The finale is especially bad. I feel even Marvel's worst movies like Thor 2 had some more interesting things going on in the finale with the portal hopping and such than WW vs. Ares. The redeeming part was the touching sacrifice, but everything surrounding it left me pretty cold
I didn't particularly care for Ares. Not only couldn't I believe him being who he was (role felt miscast), I think it's ultimately the same problem as with Batman vs Superman. I thought BvsS was prematurely done and should have been more like the Infinity War or at least Civil War of DCEU. A big epic event to bookend some kind of first large whole of DCEU with lots of movies setting up the controversies & conflict, not the second movie in the franchise with no build-up. Similarly feels kind of dumb to put such a big sounding bad as the god of war as the villain of the first Wonder Woman movie where he's fairly easily beaten to oblivion by a relatively inexperienced WW. Start with smaller threats and make Ares the final boss with perhaps some build-up throughout at least a couple of movies before pitting Wonder Woman against him.
Since they wanted to make Ares actually exist and be at least partially behind a lot of turmoil in the world, imagine a Wonder Woman trilogy where Ares fucks up with the world during WW1 and WW2 in the first two movies, causing mass destruction to Wonder Woman's despair (with smaller victories that help with ending wars temporarily giving some successes to her) while staying behind the scenes, leaving her doubting his existence and her in a bit of despair that her ultimate goal of defeating Ares isn't succeeding and the world keeps falling into cycles of war. Then maybe ending the trilogy with a movie set around the end of the Cold War where she finally defeats Ares and brings forth somewhat of an end to the shit started with WW1. Or something like that. IMO something like that would have set up Ares as a far more threatening, compelling & competent villain that feels satisfying to defeat in the third film while also offering compelling drama for Wonder Woman's development as she fails to bring end to big scale warfare (or the threat of it). As he was, he was laaaaaaaame.
As a small nitpick, I can't say I care much for Wonder Woman's costume. Her clothes fit in the context of her home island, but it just looks dumb in the "real world" setting. I felt it looked especially silly in the no man's land scene, when she climbed out of the ditches in slow motion. Should have had a bit more protective gear at that point, not something that left 50% of her totally unprotected.
The action was a bit divisive. When it seemed to have more focus on practical effects and CGI mostly enhancing real stuff and not being fully 100% CGI, the action was pretty cool, like Winter Soldier level "making the titular character look cool" awesomeness. But the CGI action in this was pretty bad. While Marvel movies often suffer from similar heavy usage of CGI (GOTG Vol. 2 had some shoddy CGI that took me out of the movie at times), I feel a lot of the CGI heavy stuff is still done better than most of the CGI heavy stuff in Wonder Woman. The finale is especially bad. I feel even Marvel's worst movies like Thor 2 had some more interesting things going on in the finale with the portal hopping and such than WW vs. Ares. The redeeming part was the touching sacrifice, but everything surrounding it left me pretty cold
I didn't particularly care for Ares. Not only couldn't I believe him being who he was (role felt miscast), I think it's ultimately the same problem as with Batman vs Superman. I thought BvsS was prematurely done and should have been more like the Infinity War or at least Civil War of DCEU. A big epic event to bookend some kind of first large whole of DCEU with lots of movies setting up the controversies & conflict, not the second movie in the franchise with no build-up. Similarly feels kind of dumb to put such a big sounding bad as the god of war as the villain of the first Wonder Woman movie where he's fairly easily beaten to oblivion by a relatively inexperienced WW. Start with smaller threats and make Ares the final boss with perhaps some build-up throughout at least a couple of movies before pitting Wonder Woman against him.
Since they wanted to make Ares actually exist and be at least partially behind a lot of turmoil in the world, imagine a Wonder Woman trilogy where Ares fucks up with the world during WW1 and WW2 in the first two movies, causing mass destruction to Wonder Woman's despair (with smaller victories that help with ending wars temporarily giving some successes to her) while staying behind the scenes, leaving her doubting his existence and her in a bit of despair that her ultimate goal of defeating Ares isn't succeeding and the world keeps falling into cycles of war. Then maybe ending the trilogy with a movie set around the end of the Cold War where she finally defeats Ares and brings forth somewhat of an end to the shit started with WW1. Or something like that. IMO something like that would have set up Ares as a far more threatening, compelling & competent villain that feels satisfying to defeat in the third film while also offering compelling drama for Wonder Woman's development as she fails to bring end to big scale warfare (or the threat of it). As he was, he was laaaaaaaame.
As a small nitpick, I can't say I care much for Wonder Woman's costume. Her clothes fit in the context of her home island, but it just looks dumb in the "real world" setting. I felt it looked especially silly in the no man's land scene, when she climbed out of the ditches in slow motion. Should have had a bit more protective gear at that point, not something that left 50% of her totally unprotected.
Honestly, I don't know what to think about this. I think 7/10 is a reasonable score. This is a decent superhero movie and a mediocre Marvel movie, but on the other hand the scene-to-scene editing isn't a total mess, Diana isn't an unfeeling, detached sociopath, and there is color! The first act is slow, the third act devolves into something of a blue and orange punchfest, and the message is a little muddled. Like, yes, Ares isn't the cause of the war, but killing him brings a smashcut to victory as German soldiers tear off their gas masks and hug their Allied counterparts? Okay then.
The comparisons of this movie with Captain America: The First Avenger are spot on. Not just in structure, but both movies mangle their respective World Wars: TFA by brushing the Nazis and the Holocaust under the rug and Wonder Woman by making the German Empire the bad guys (if bad guys existed, they'd probably be the Austro-Hungarians, who started the whole thing in the first place and didn't even have the decency to be competent combatants). I don't know which mangling of history is worse.
Chris Pine was the obvious standout, acting-wise. Gal Gadot was serviceable, but overshadowed at times by Pine's sheer charm and charisma. I also thought that Elena Anaya did a good job as Dr. Poison, for as little screentime she had.
I think the reason why I'm not so favorable towards this movie as others is that the last two movies I saw in theaters were Logan and Guardians of the Galaxy 2, both of whom are better movies by far. Both movies also were much better at utilizing their score to maintain and promote the tone of a scene. Logan, for one, is a masterclass of how one can use the beat of the nondiagetic score to emphasize the tension of a scene. And yeah, Wonder Woman absolutely does not have to be Logan, but I think I still missed that use of score.
The comparisons of this movie with Captain America: The First Avenger are spot on. Not just in structure, but both movies mangle their respective World Wars: TFA by brushing the Nazis and the Holocaust under the rug and Wonder Woman by making the German Empire the bad guys (if bad guys existed, they'd probably be the Austro-Hungarians, who started the whole thing in the first place and didn't even have the decency to be competent combatants). I don't know which mangling of history is worse.
Chris Pine was the obvious standout, acting-wise. Gal Gadot was serviceable, but overshadowed at times by Pine's sheer charm and charisma. I also thought that Elena Anaya did a good job as Dr. Poison, for as little screentime she had.
I think the reason why I'm not so favorable towards this movie as others is that the last two movies I saw in theaters were Logan and Guardians of the Galaxy 2, both of whom are better movies by far. Both movies also were much better at utilizing their score to maintain and promote the tone of a scene. Logan, for one, is a masterclass of how one can use the beat of the nondiagetic score to emphasize the tension of a scene. And yeah, Wonder Woman absolutely does not have to be Logan, but I think I still missed that use of score.
Just got back from seeing it and was pretty underwhelmed. I don't know if it's even as good as The First Avenger. Chris Pine was fantastic and Gal Gadot was waaay better than she was in The Fast & Furious movies, but nothing else really struck me.
I had heard so much about the no man's land scene, but I literally laughed out loud when she climbed out of the trench and did a slow motion Beyonce walk in front of a green screen with perfect lighting and hair. So cheesy.
The first two acts were entertaining enough but the last act was a real mess. By the time Ares showed up, I was done with this movie.
I had heard so much about the no man's land scene, but I literally laughed out loud when she climbed out of the trench and did a slow motion Beyonce walk in front of a green screen with perfect lighting and hair. So cheesy.
The first two acts were entertaining enough but the last act was a real mess. By the time Ares showed up, I was done with this movie.
TheTylerDurden
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Laughed out loud eh?
How embarrassing for you. Whenever someone laughs at an inappropriate time in a movie because they are "above it", it really ruins it for everyone around them.
Especially given that so many people really loved this particular scene.
crisdecuba
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I agree re: Logan, but not GotG2. For me WW is on equal footing with GotG2 overall, and I look forward to rewatching WW more than I do Guardians 2.
That's a pretty shitty assumption to make. I'm not a dick. I wasn't pointing at the screen and laughing uproariously. It was more of an involuntary guffaw at how ridiculous that particular moment seemed to me. Once she got into the town and started kicking ass, I thought the scene was actually pretty cool.
elrechazado
Banned
Her make up was still on point in the town - why did your hearty, superior guffaws cease?
Vincent Alexander
Member
I am truly shocked at the amount of comments about Ares and his mustache.
I had just about the same reaction, but mine was more of a "wooooowwww. They are really doing this?" Thank god the scene got better once that garbage slow motion stopped
TheTylerDurden
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Hey, look. You seemed to go out of your way to describe it in a pretty snotty way. Most people watching the scene didn't or wouldn't laugh at it, they take it as what it is as a hero reveal moment.
And I stand by what I said. If you seriously laughed out loud, that would have ruined it for people around you. I won't call you a dick, I wasn't there. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if people around you were thinking it.
Oh....still doing this huh
Yeah, I'm flipped wrt GotG2 and WW. GotG2 holds together thematically better for me, and it's third act is actually pretty decent in tying Peter's personal characterization together with his need to beat the baddie.
Diana's purpose in life is to kill Ares, but I never really felt the visceral emotional connection there.
Nah this is miles better than what Marvel puts out, there was actually a superhero in this movie
Because the rest of it wasn't shot like a music video. It's interesting that you assume I think I'm superior or 'above it' simply because I found that one moment silly. I liked most of the movie, but I guess that's not enough for you guys who are obviously very secure in your opinions.
Poodlestrike
Banned
If we're making Marvel comparisons, one thing I think this (and MoS and BvS, really) did really well is sell the idea of Diana as outright superhuman in a visual sense, to a degree that most Marvel flicks kinda... don't? Like, Hulk, that's great, but most of the other super-strong characters don't really show it convincingly. Especially notable with Guardians. WW really does sell it, especially towards the end (in spite of some admittedly shaky effects in spots).
I think it might be down to CGI stunt doubles as much as anything. DC seems a lot more willing to use them.
I think it might be down to CGI stunt doubles as much as anything. DC seems a lot more willing to use them.
ginger ninja
Banned
I like MOS and BvS a lot but I did not like this movie. I don't know what it was. I was too sleepy, the crowd was irritating me when they would make noises every time an even slightly funny thing was said. But most of all, the fucking overload of slow mo. Totally ruined the actions scenes for me. Some of the action scenes were shot were way too fast to make sense of anything. The sex talk was way too drawn out tbh. I did like the romance though and for once, they had the courage to kill a main character.
So in conclusion, real happy for DC and empowerment but nah, some of those high scores are a bit far fetched.
So in conclusion, real happy for DC and empowerment but nah, some of those high scores are a bit far fetched.
Vincent Alexander
Member
WHAT IS WITH EVERYONE AND MUSTACHES?!
You're all weird. There. I said it.
You're all weird. There. I said it.
DrForester
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Skinny, pale, David Thewlis as Ares is simultaneously hilariously awful and awesome.
How do you get to a point in the casting process where you're looking for a guy to play the god of war, and someone pipes up saying, "how about Professor Lupin?"
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Best part in dailies as Ares wasn't finished for a while so a lot of the edits was just David on a green screen wearing a mocap grey spandex suit acting his ass off
I assumed he was going to transform into some CG creature that had possessed David Thewlis' body or something.
The weirder part for me was Wonder Woman reaching for her sword and realizing it was still stuck in the roof. Cut to Chris Pine doing stuff. Cut back to Wonder Woman dropping back into frame with her sword and continuing the conversation like nothing had happened. Was David Thewlis just awkwardly standing there waiting for her to come back? If the missing sword wasn't going to factor into things, why not just have her take it with her after stabbing nazi guy? Why include that bit at all? Did I miss something?
GuitarAtomik
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It's a very early 20th century mustache that has kind of a goofy look (especially on the actor) even before we know the guy is Ares. Then they flashback to him thousands of years ago looking real buff and younger and he looks up and....he has the same goofy mustache. How is that not humorous? Just the idea he's had the same specific mustache for thousands of years is humorous.
ForsakenLotus
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I actually liked the take on Ares, but the fight itself was a bit disappointing. I think instead of a bunch of telekinesis stuff if they could have done a fight with Diana using her sword and whip and Ares dual wielding sword and Jedi blasting her it would have made a huge difference. As it stands it felt like almost not damage was done to him and not even that much to her.
Still, loved the movie. Right up there with Logan for this year so far, and a bit ahead of Guardians of the Galaxy 2. I've only seen each once though.
If they could have pulled off the last section of the movie, Wonder Woman would have been a comic book movie masterpiece.
Still, loved the movie. Right up there with Logan for this year so far, and a bit ahead of Guardians of the Galaxy 2. I've only seen each once though.
If they could have pulled off the last section of the movie, Wonder Woman would have been a comic book movie masterpiece.
I'm so lost as to why there's a conversation about the mustache at all. I truly do not understand why it keeps getting brought up, lol. It's just a mustache. Had it not been for GAF constantly pointing it out (I honestly have no idea if its been brought up outside of GAF but I assume so) I would have not even noticed it. Even noticing it I wasn't sure why it was being noticed.
TheTylerDurden
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It's mostly because people aren't buying into the idea that the least likely person (a slow moving, ill health elderly politician) would be the villain, and that the filmmakers intended for this to be the deception. His outward appearance is supposed to make it more of a surprise.
The mustache is completely in line with the era. But I guess people are thinking that a true "god of war" needs to look like one. Ripped, bulging muscles, intimidating looking, all of that. It probably WOULD have made more sense for him not to have the mustache in the flashback, that I agree with. But I am not put off by it.
I find it amusing to see the complaints because I hear people calling a bunch of things "tropes" when referring to certain things in the movie. Oh, that cheesy love will save the world trope, oh that fish out of water trope, etc etc.
But they are complaining that this particular villain doesn't fit the standard movie villain "trope".
Can't please everyone.
In many conversations heard walking out of the theater, most people found the mustache funny. I just found it jarring in the flashback and couldn't stop noticing it during the entire fight scene. Even through the helmet.
Saint Gregory
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Just got back. Absolutely loved it. DCEU saved. Nothing else to say.
That's a lie actually, I have to say that I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that not only is there an actual good movie set in this universe but it featured a riveting performance from Gal Gadot. GAL GADOT!!!. I... I need to go lay down.
Just finished watching the film and feeling pretty ambivalent about it. Wonder Woman as a character just didn't strike a chord with me. If I were to make a comparison, Wonder Woman would be the Thor of the DCEU if he actually ever starred in a good solo film.
I don't know, I felt a bit disinterested watching the movie, but I can't actually say the movie is bad. The writing is mostly on point, it's very well executed, and the film was well acted. I know it's a good film, but I guess it wasn't my cup of tea.
I don't know, I felt a bit disinterested watching the movie, but I can't actually say the movie is bad. The writing is mostly on point, it's very well executed, and the film was well acted. I know it's a good film, but I guess it wasn't my cup of tea.
TheTylerDurden
Member
That's totally fair.
I think the key to Wonder Woman is pure character connection. If you don't feel an affinity for Diana, then a lot of the movie diminishes. A lot rides on your connection with her.
I'm on the opposite side of the fence. I connected with her completely, she sold the character to me very well.
But I completely understand how some might not be sold.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Ehhhh. You'd have a point if he didn't turn in to a CG armored dude and physically fought her. Really subverting the trope would have been making the God of War an older frail guy who doesn't actually fight people, but manipulates them in to fighting. So basically everything up until we get this chiseled Greek god battling it out with Zeus and then physically fighting WW. That's when the mustache starts to get goofy because now you're asking the audience to buy he's intimidating. Considering they had an out to just make that his current form and the depiction of him fully armored in the comics rarely even shows his face, it's just an odd direction to take it.
It's really not a huge hang up for me though. Just kind of a goofy detail. Mostly I'm surprised people are surprised a goofy mustache on the god of war wasn't going to undermine his intimidation factor a bit for most audiences.
TheTylerDurden
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Yeah, I can't disagree with anything you said. I think they rolled the dice on that a bit. But still, it didn't bother me. I fully accepted the way they went.
I look at it this way, I prefer this path they took over having him transform into something ripped and menacing looking outwardly.
I think he became pretty intimidating when he melted her sword with his hand and was standing perfectly still, little effort required. That I suppose was the "uh oh" setup.
But I totally get it was a stretch for some people.
I guess my final thought on that is - Diana herself doesn't really look overly intimidating, does she? Yet her powers are what make her "Wonder Woman" - same with Ares, I suppose.
autumnleaf
Member
The Ares reveal and subsequent fight were definitely the weakest part of the film. The actor wasn't the right choice and the fight was just a mes. Brings the film down a little but the rest is top tier.
CaviarMeths
Member
Finally saw it tonight. Loved it. I had a couple of minor quibbles with the movie, but overall it was great. Gal Gadot and Patty Jenkins should be very proud. The character was fantastically brought to life. I bought the performance and characterization as well as I bought it for RDJ with Tony Stark and Chris Evans with Cap.
I'm not any more confident in Justice League, but I think 2018 and beyond will be a much better course for the DCEU.
I actually didn't mind the Ares fight at the end though. Felt like I was watching a different movie for those last 10 minutes, sure, but I think the payoff of seeing Diana go all out was earned. Ludendorff and Dr. Poison were the bigger problems. They weren't aggressively bad, but they weren't even really characters. Very boring cartoon villains.
I'm not any more confident in Justice League, but I think 2018 and beyond will be a much better course for the DCEU.
I actually didn't mind the Ares fight at the end though. Felt like I was watching a different movie for those last 10 minutes, sure, but I think the payoff of seeing Diana go all out was earned. Ludendorff and Dr. Poison were the bigger problems. They weren't aggressively bad, but they weren't even really characters. Very boring cartoon villains.
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Liked the movie quite a bit 
The ending (especially Ares looks and fight) felt super underwhelming, but everything leading up to it was great. The fight scenes other than that one were baller. Gal Gadot is my new movie star love.
The ending (especially Ares looks and fight) felt super underwhelming, but everything leading up to it was great. The fight scenes other than that one were baller. Gal Gadot is my new movie star love.ForsakenLotus
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I can live with a cartoonish Nazi villain, but what let me down was Dr. Maru. The actress did a good job of conveying complexity in the character, but without knowing why she is who she is the complexity was essentially nullified. A 5 minute flashback would have done wonders to enhance her as a villain.
But seeing the tears in Dr. Maru's eyes when Wonder Woman showed her mercy is about 90% of why I don't think she was a completely bland villain.
TheTylerDurden
Member
Small aside, but her photo from the intelligence files on her (before whatever damaged her face) was a pretty babetastic photo. And I'm a photographer, I know these things.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I'm glad this movie had its heart in the right place. Way more humanity in this than I've gotten in any of the previous DCEU films. Even small moments like Steve buying Diana the ice cream cone and her saying the vendor should be proud were nice to see. My big issue with Man of Steel and Batman v Superman were how...sterile they felt, even when they were swinging for emotional moments. The Diana and Steve dynamic here just worked. And even though my eyes started glazing over during the Ares reveal and their final battle, Steve's parting words to Diana and her speech about humanity were well done moments. That scene with Steve's picture on the board. MY EMOTIONS!
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
You're going to doubt that a ton of people loved the movie that much?
Emulated Hype
Member
I'd like to preface this post by saying that I absolutely loved the movie and am in that camp that just wishes the film had a stronger third act.
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I think the core theme of the film would have resonated better if Ares ultimately wasn't present and remained a MacGuffin.
I loved seeing the horror dawn on Diana's face when she realized that Ares wasn't controlling Ludendorff's soldiers and they were operating under their own volition. Coupled with Steve's speech to her on the watchtower, it was a powerful moment.
Her whole drive in the film is to kill Ares. She left her home, traveled hundreds of miles, killed dozens of men, witnessed the death of an entire village to chemical warfare and at the end of the day the war was mankind's fault - not a deity. It's a hard lesson for someone as naive as her to embrace.
I feel like the finale of the film should have been about her putting her disillusionment aside and resolving to save these people from their own folly and prevent a catastrophic attack from spiraling the war into a second-wind.
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I think the core theme of the film would have resonated better if Ares ultimately wasn't present and remained a MacGuffin.
I loved seeing the horror dawn on Diana's face when she realized that Ares wasn't controlling Ludendorff's soldiers and they were operating under their own volition. Coupled with Steve's speech to her on the watchtower, it was a powerful moment.
Her whole drive in the film is to kill Ares. She left her home, traveled hundreds of miles, killed dozens of men, witnessed the death of an entire village to chemical warfare and at the end of the day the war was mankind's fault - not a deity. It's a hard lesson for someone as naive as her to embrace.
I feel like the finale of the film should have been about her putting her disillusionment aside and resolving to save these people from their own folly and prevent a catastrophic attack from spiraling the war into a second-wind.
TheTylerDurden
Member
The end of the film has a small area of ambiguity.
On the one hand, there was an Ares after all. She kills him, the soldiers seem to "awaken". But Ares himself says that he doesn't make the men fight, they decide on their own to do so. It's hard to say if they want us to think that Ares was, or was not influencing them, or if they were just relieved that the big battle between the gods they just witnessed was over, and the sun was rising.
Then in the final moments of the movie Diana says that she has seen what the world of men is all about, she looked into their light and saw some darkness there, and she realized they would always have both. And that love will save the world.
I think this departing monologue is meant to tell us that Diana knows that men can be evil, even with Ares being dead. She has in fact set aside her disillusionment.
To the extent the film has mixed messages at the end, I do think it erred by having the death of Ares coincide with the conclusion of the war. That runs smack into the point of Diana realizing that killing Ares would not end the war, or any war, as has been said.
The ending speech was meant to tie that in, but it came too late, IMO. They didn't quite reconcile the desire for a big fight at the end, and the conclusion of the war.
I also kind of wish Diana had wounded, but not killed Ares, having realized that doing so would not change the nature of man. War was within them, Ares or no. Or at least saved Ares big showdown with Diana for another film. I thought the fight was actually very good, some shoddy CG aside, but I with the film had resisted the inertia to have this huge fight scene at the end. The film felt so different from other comic book films until then.
The ending speech was meant to tie that in, but it came too late, IMO. They didn't quite reconcile the desire for a big fight at the end, and the conclusion of the war.
I also kind of wish Diana had wounded, but not killed Ares, having realized that doing so would not change the nature of man. War was within them, Ares or no. Or at least saved Ares big showdown with Diana for another film. I thought the fight was actually very good, some shoddy CG aside, but I with the film had resisted the inertia to have this huge fight scene at the end. The film felt so different from other comic book films until then.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I think it would have been reeeaaallly cool if they had gone that route. I have a hard time imagining the studio would let them do that, but if they were down, I think that would have been really damn interesting. I would have felt better about the steroid fight with Ludendorff if that was the case too.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Yeah, I was left a little bit confused by the ending when the soldiers stopped fighting. It seemed to conflict with the message of the film and I'm not sure what Patty Jenkins was trying to say but I might need a second watch. The movie could have been a true classic with better special effects and Ares not being there at all. It would have made WW's journey all the more powerful.
Yeah that was another completely unnecessary part that didn't make sense and was entirely irrelevant
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
Just watched it last night. It was the best super hero movie I have ever seen. Everyone cheered throughout the whole thing. This surpassed all the marvel movies and even Logan which I thought wouldn't be topped. Wow