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[Superflat]

I'm really not sure what point that moment served. Was she deciding that violence isn't always necessarry to stop her enemies? Having a random moment of empathy? Didn't want to kill a woman? I don't know.

Ares rips Dr Poison from the car she was escaping in and presents her in front of Diana to kill while Diana's in rage mode, hoping to have her be on his side, and I guess her killing Dr Poison mercilessly would be basically sealing the contract. It's the lofty "Return of the Jedi" scenario where Luke giving in to kill the emperor would be giving in to the dark side.

So her not killing Dr Poison was her making the point that humankind can be terrible like Ares says, but they are also "so much more".

Even though it's the meaning behind what killing the person means for the character in a specific context, I always found this scenario in film to be kinda weird since Diana (and Luke) killed on their way to getting to this ultimate choice moment.

I hate that theme independent of its use in the film, but having this electric guitar riff (or cello? Dunno.) come out of nowhere in what had been to that point a pretty traditional, if excellent, period score took me straight out of those action scenes. It's the worst scoring decision I've seen in a film since Ladyhawke.

I'm mixed on the wailing cello theme. The song seems to alternate between two main melodies, and I love the second one.

 

[sturmdogg]

One thing I still don't get (apologies if this was aleady answered): do the Amazons stop aging after a certain age? Hippolyta and the other Amazons look the same when Diana was a little girl and then when Steve arrived at the island. Diana also stopped aging after leaving the island.

 

[Superflat]

I assume everyone just ages really slowly, like elves. Essentially immortal but can be slain.

 

[y2dvd]

The emotional scenes didn't hit me at all, but I tell you what, the lady next to me was absolutely wrecked when Diana touched the picture of Steve at the end. It was adorable lol.

 

[Volimar]

Modbot has never known longing.

I love the WW theme. Fits her kickass-ness.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

If WW2 happens in the DCEU it would totally undermine everything Diana does this movie. She establishes herself as a character who can't walk past and ignore someone in need of help but TOTALLY sits out WW2? I hope it's addressed at some point. Maybe she was doing black ops or something lol.

 

[Alienous]

Of course WWII happens in the DCEU.

Maybe Wonder Woman comes to the conclusion that she can't kill her way to the end of the war, like she thought she could do with WWI. Just have her focused on humanitarian efforts rather than combat, or something.

 

[PhantomX1313]

I rarely cry but those final moments were everything I went into a breakdown

EDIT: AND PINE SLAYS HE IS THE BEST CHRIS

 

[victreeb3l]

Couldn't stop laughing?

I bet that went over well in your theatre.

A bunch of people were cracking up too. It was such a stupid and goofy flashback

 

[Pai Pai Master]

A bunch of people were cracking up too. It was such a stupid and goofy flashback

It really was. They needed a different actor for Ares' "true form." I love Thewlis and he did a great job but he isn't physically imposing at all.

 

[ReiGun]

If WW2 happens in the DCEU it would totally undermine everything Diana does this movie. She establishes herself as a character who can't walk past and ignore someone in need of help but TOTALLY sits out WW2? I hope it's addressed at some point. Maybe she was doing black ops or something lol.

In the some iterations of the DCU, the entire Justice Society of America managed to operate during WWII without being public knowledge. Would not be a stretch have Diana be an active participant behind the scenes given how these stories normally go.

Still, the issue is that there has been conflict somewhere or another since WWI, so even taking WWII off the table, you'll eventually run into the problem of "Why didn't Diana do anything?" If WW2 is going to be in the modern day, it really needs to start with a montage showing us where the hell she's been.

It really was. They needed a different actor for Ares' "true form." I love Thewlis and he did a great job but he isn't physically imposing at all.

Should have gone with the classic Ares where you can't see what he looks like when his helmet is on.

 

[MisterHero]

If WW2 happens in the DCEU it would totally undermine everything Diana does this movie. She establishes herself as a character who can't walk past and ignore someone in need of help but TOTALLY sits out WW2? I hope it's addressed at some point. Maybe she was doing black ops or something lol.

Of course WWII happens in the DCEU.

Maybe Wonder Woman comes to the conclusion that she can't kill her way to the end of the war, like she thought she could do with WWI. Just have her focused on humanitarian efforts rather than combat, or something.

DC's Hitler had the Spear of Destiny which prevented the heroes from interfering. But that was written in the 70s IIRC. Still, it could be a great idea for a JSA movie, even if the Spear plot already appeared in Constantine.

Siegel and Shuster's response to WWII in 1940 was to have Superman arrest Hitler and Stalin(!) on the same day.

I think Post-Crisis DC had Hippolyta fight in WWII instead of Wondy. Nothing wrong with making her a lead as well.

In the some iterations of the DCU, the entire Justice Society of America managed to operate during WWII without being public knowledge. Would not be a stretch have Diana be an active participant behind the scenes given how these stories normally go.

Still, the issue is that there has been conflict somewhere or another since WWI, so even taking WWII off the table, you'll eventually run into the problem of "Why didn't Diana do anything?" If WW2 is going to be in the modern day, it really needs to start with a montage showing us where the hell she's been.

I like the idea of FDR helping establish the JSA. There's a distinct optimism that seperates those guys from the modern age.

 

[victreeb3l]

It really was. They needed a different actor for Ares' "true form." I love Thewlis and he did a great job but he isn't physically imposing at all.

Yes, absolutely. He also should have donned his armor much earlier. Speaking of his armor, they also screwed up by showing his face while he had his armor on. I thought it was super badass when the metal formed around his head and then he cut out the slits with his fingers. But then you see that goofy ass face with the goofy ass mustache and I couldnt take him seriously again.

Like..just hide his face and give him glowing fire eyes or something.

Should have gone with the classic Ares where you can't see what he looks like when his helmet is on.

Yeah I'd have loved something like this.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Ares' mustache was his demise.

 

[Rodney McKay]

The Regal theater I went to to see this had a commercial for some Chris Brown thing (live streamed concert in theaters or a documentary or something) and near the end he says something like "I went from being loved to being hated" and the guy next to me said exactly what I was thinking:

"That's what happens when you beat women, asshole."

 

[DeathyBoy]

The Regal theater I went to to see this had a commercial for some Chris Brown thing (live streamed concert in theaters or a documentary or something) and near the end he says something like "I went from being loved to being hated" and the guy next to me said exactly what I was thinking:

"That's what happens when you beat women, asshole."

I totally heard Wonder Woman's BvS theme in my head while reading this.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Of course WWII happens in the DCEU.

Maybe Wonder Woman comes to the conclusion that she can't kill her way to the end of the war, like she thought she could do with WWI. Just have her focused on humanitarian efforts rather than combat, or something.

You guys realize that if they set WW2 in WWII it could be poetic justice? Just call the movie "WWII" and have it be a double entendre. Certainly a better title than Call of Duty WWII.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

So what was up with Etta's eyes after Diana is talking to the guy who swallows the cyanide pill?

Funky lighting or was Ares up to some shit?

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

The Regal theater I went to to see this had a commercial for some Chris Brown thing (live streamed concert in theaters or a documentary or something) and near the end he says something like "I went from being loved to being hated" and the guy next to me said exactly what I was thinking:

"That's what happens when you beat women, asshole."

Saw that same thing. I was like, for real? He's making himself a sympathy documentary?

 

[Poodlestrike]

The Regal theater I went to to see this had a commercial for some Chris Brown thing (live streamed concert in theaters or a documentary or something) and near the end he says something like "I went from being loved to being hated" and the guy next to me said exactly what I was thinking:

"That's what happens when you beat women, asshole."

Saw that same thing. I was like, for real? He's making himself a sympathy documentary?

He made a sympathy documentary and then somebody decided to run the ad for it in front of Wonder Woman.

 

[Nategc20]

The villains were so awful. Like straight out of the rocky and bullwinkle cartoon

Both were exceptional compares to Marvel's villian output though.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

The villains were so awful. Like straight out of the rocky and bullwinkle cartoon

War is hell and there are bad people on both sides but one of the sides just happens to have a girl who looks like the phanom of the opera named "doctor poison" and a guy who shoots his own soldiers in the head for no reason

 

[pringles]

Saw it today and it's up among my favorite comic book movies ever. Shockingly good. Other than maybe Logan, I haven't had this kind of emotional experience watching a superhero movie since.. I don't know, maybe ever. It had this emotional weight and spirit that I really think is lacking in Marvel's movies where everything is a joke almost. And that's without being too dark, it had plenty of moments that got big laughs from my audience.

 

[TyrantII]

Modbot has never known longing.

I love the WW theme. Fits her kickass-ness.

I have to say Rupert Gregson-Williams did a bang up job on the score and incorporating​ the a theme that I didn't think you could incorporate with the style of the rest of the score. Anyone else get MGS vibes? Must run in the blood.

I just got back from my second viewing and the film holds up better than the first. Easy to notice the smaller cues that tend to better weave the narrative together when you know what's coming. The third act improved a tad for me as well, when you realize the superweapon is Ares ace to corrupt Diana, not necessarily extend the war.

Surprisingly Steve felt a little more problematic to me this time around. There was a balance between Sherpa and Hero they had to navigate, and second viewing felt like it was awfully close to the edge. Which is hard, because you're​ also dealing with audience expectations for a male hero. Still it's obvious Diana would have got there without him, but I think a little more conflict and focus on her in the character building moments would have helped.

Still, this is a great movie. Best in DC in a good long while. And this showing they had the justice league trailer running before the feature and all I can think of is how they're totally going to butcher what Patty Jenkins masterfully built here.

 

[TyrantII]

The villains were so awful. Like straight out of the rocky and bullwinkle cartoon

The scene I know you're referencing was kept for a reason. Total bone thrown to comic fans and it was awesome.

That's the kinda of momentary "fun" everyone says DC lacks. Don't over do it, and it works charmingly.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Both were exceptional compares to Marvel's villian output though.

Lol no. Dr Poison was kind of interesting, but only because you could imagine a tragic story behind that facial scar that they didn't even bother to hint at in the script. I guess that you can argue Ares' philosophy is interesting, but it's not original and it's just that. A philosophy. There really isn't any character stuff there. Ludendorff isn't even worth talking about he's so generic. Most of Marvel's villains are weak, but these guys aren't clearing any hurdles set by even the weakest of them.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Lol no. Dr Poison was kind of interesting, but only because you could imagine a tragic story behind that facial scar that they didn't even bother to hint at in the script. I guess that you can argue Ares' philosophy is interesting, but it's not original and it's just that. A philosophy. There really isn't any character stuff there. Ludendorff isn't even worth talking about he's so generic. Most of Marvel's villains are weak, but these guys aren't clearing any hurdles set by even the weakest of them.

They're not deliberately stepping on all their own dramatic moments. Strong improvement over Ultron.

 

[Alienous]

The scene I know you're referencing was kept for a reason. Total bone thrown to comic fans and it was awesome.

That's the kinda of momentary "fun" everyone says DC lacks. Don't over do it, and it works charmingly.

I don't think it worked at all. Nothing about it felt in-character, or justified by the moment. Trying to make your antagonists more evil by having them giggle like gossiping teens at the prospect of suffocating a room full of people is just weird more than anything else. It instantly reminded me of The Riddler and Two-Face in Batman Forever - just awful, "we're the bad guys" acting.

 

[TyrantII]

One question on second viewing. Where does Diana hide her shield

:|

 

[DeathyBoy]

Lol no. Dr Poison was kind of interesting, but only because you could imagine a tragic story behind that facial scar that they didn't even bother to hint at in the script. I guess that you can argue Ares' philosophy is interesting, but it's not original and it's just that. A philosophy. There really isn't any character stuff there. Ludendorff isn't even worth talking about he's so generic. Most of Marvel's villains are weak, but these guys aren't clearing any hurdles set by even the weakest of them.

"But it's not original."

No shit. It's almost like Ares is actually from a mythology that's thousands of years old...

 

[GuitarAtomik]

"But it's not original."

No shit. It's almost like Ares is actually from a mythology that's thousands of years old...

Sure. Pull that aside out of the rest of the point I was making.

They're not deliberately stepping on all their own dramatic moments. Strong improvement over Ultron.

They barely have any dramatic moments at all.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

"But it's not original."

No shit. It's almost like Ares is actually from a mythology that's thousands of years old...

So is Loki but they still made him a compelling character in his own right.

Ares was fine, but he wasn't amazing. Thewlis elevated a pretty bland character.

 

[TyrantII]

The problem with the Ares twist-reveal is that it basically sets up a situation where he wins either way. If the armistice is accepted, he wins. If the gas bombs drop, he wins. Either millions die in a gas bomb or the poor terms of the armistice lead Europe directly into WW2. Maybe he wins a little more if the bombs drop or maybe he wins a little more if he ignites WW2. Either way there's really no need for him to get into a fight with the god that was born and bred to kill him, in this particular instance. Dude has been biding his time for at least 2000 years, so it's hard to say why this is the hill he wants to die on.

To be fair I feel like this is a problem with any number of films. Why does the big bad villain get goaded into a fight when the smarter move would just be to retreat and regroup? If you want to not be bothered, you can just chalk it up to "hubris", as is done in similar movies.

I interpreted it a bit different. He knows the Armistice wont last. Don't forget, he's witnessed humanity for thousands of years and each war their technology brings them closer to destruction. He's been playing the long game for a while, what's another 30 years with the atom bomb next?

So what's the gas plot line? He doesn't whisper in the good doctors ear untill Diana shows up. His focus is the Armistice before that point. The entire point of the gas plot line isn't to stop the Armistice or prolong the war. It's to manipulate Diana, to show her the horrors of humanity and recruit her to his side. If he can not, he has to deal with her. He knows what she is, and why Zeus gave her life.

The scene where he tells Steve not to fuck with the Armistice is a bit problematic, but it can also be seen as him playing the part. After all, he was the one who sent Steve into the lions den, and we already know he knew Steve wasn't going to follow the Generals orders. If anything, his concern might be they successfully stop the town from being gassed, and they just about did. The catalyst that pushed Diana over the edge and where she started doubting man.

More likely there was a reshoot and somehow that scene was left in because it flowed well.

I do agree he should have cut and run in the end though. We knew he fled Olympus, that he whispers in Man's ear, and that he set up this plan to corrupt Diana by showing man's own deeds. I think it would have been more true to his character for him to cut and run like the backstabbing coward he's depicted as.

Save the final confrontation for WWII. But no suit will sign off on that with a $150m budget.

 

[IconGrist]

The Regal theater I went to to see this had a commercial for some Chris Brown thing (live streamed concert in theaters or a documentary or something) and near the end he says something like "I went from being loved to being hated" and the guy next to me said exactly what I was thinking:

"That's what happens when you beat women, asshole."

Were you sitting next to me because that's almost word for word what I said, lol.

 

[Ravek]

Saw it today and it's up among my favorite comic book movies ever. Shockingly good. Other than maybe Logan, I haven't had this kind of emotional experience watching a superhero movie since.. I don't know, maybe ever. It had this emotional weight and spirit that I really think is lacking in Marvel's movies where everything is a joke almost. And that's without being too dark, it had plenty of moments that got big laughs from my audience.

Not trying to be rude but I feel like you and I watched two different versions of the movie. There wasn't any emotional experience that couldn't be seen coming.

Maybe the movie had a little weight but I feel like that came from Diana's naiveness and seeing the truth of how the world really is.

By no means did I dislike the movie. It was pretty good and if it means anything the best DCEU movie atm.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

I'm taken aback by how many women I've seen on social media (and articles talking about this phenomenon) saying they cried once or multiple times during Wonder Woman's fight scenes. As a straight white male it's something I take for granted (gender representation) but I think I felt something very close to what these women talk about when I saw Blizzard's proper video reveal of Sombra from Overwatch. Being Mexican (yes we can be white too) and seeing a Mexican character in a major videogame thats not a luchador or a drug dealer felt amazing.

Long story short: representation matters!

 

[Poodlestrike]

They barely have any dramatic moments at all.

But when they had them, they didn't immediately trip over themselves removing all tension from the scene.

Hurdle, cleared.

 

[elrechazado]

If WW2 happens in the DCEU it would totally undermine everything Diana does this movie. She establishes herself as a character who can't walk past and ignore someone in need of help but TOTALLY sits out WW2? I hope it's addressed at some point. Maybe she was doing black ops or something lol.

Who said she sat out Ww?

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Who said she sat out Ww?

It's not so much that as the fact that it's kinda strange that the war AFTER they beat Ares is much worse. He's not a very good War God.

In fact, things might have been better in the long run if Ares had been allowed to draw WWI out. Then maybe the Germans don't get such a bad deal and Hitler isn't able to take power.

 

[Veelk]

"But it's not original."

No shit. It's almost like Ares is actually from a mythology that's thousands of years old...

Have you actually read the mythology?

Ares isn't mentioned that much, but when he is, it's mostly for the gods to laugh at how much he sucks. There's nothing really connecting him to mythological Ares except the titles.

 

[TyrantII]

Who said she sat out Ww?

WWII could very well be the story where she retreats from saving men from their own affairs.

I would LOVE a film on the US bombing Nagasaki to "save" millions of lives and her failure to convince them otherwise, to find a different path. Dark, I know... but the framing with the messaging in light of this film is perfect. Also might be why she retreats to France post war, after the US failed her.

It's not so much that as the fact that it's kinda strange that the war AFTER they beat Ares is much worse. He's not a very good War God.

Isn't that his point of contention with Olympus? It's the classic free will good or evil bet that god's tend to make. It's very TDK Joker-esq. All they need is a little push.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

I don't really want another WW film that takes place in the past. Maybe a flashback, but not a whole movie.

 

[Blackhead]

The problem with the Ares twist-reveal is that it basically sets up a situation where he wins either way. If the armistice is accepted, he wins. If the gas bombs drop, he wins. Either millions die in a gas bomb or the poor terms of the armistice lead Europe directly into WW2. Maybe he wins a little more if the bombs drop or maybe he wins a little more if he ignites WW2. Either way there's really no need for him to get into a fight with the god that was born and bred to kill him, in this particular instance. Dude has been biding his time for at least 2000 years, so it's hard to say why this is the hill he wants to die on.

To be fair I feel like this is a problem with any number of films. Why does the big bad villain get goaded into a fight when the smarter move would just be to retreat and regroup? If you want to not be bothered, you can just chalk it up to "hubris", as is done in similar movies.

I interpreted it a bit different. He knows the Armistice wont last. Don't forget, he's witnessed humanity for thousands of years and each war their technology brings them closer to destruction. He's been playing the long game for a while, what's another 30 years with the atom bomb next?

So what's the gas plot line? He doesn't whisper in the good doctors ear untill Diana shows up. His focus is the Armistice before that point. The entire point of the gas plot line isn't to stop the Armistice or prolong the war. It's to manipulate Diana, to show her the horrors of humanity and recruit her to his side. If he can not, he has to deal with her. He knows what she is, and why Zeus gave her life.

The scene where he tells Steve not to fuck with the Armistice is a bit problematic, but it can also be seen as him playing the part. After all, he was the one who sent Steve into the lions den, and we already know he knew Steve wasn't going to follow the Generals orders. If anything, his concern might be they successfully stop the town from being gassed, and they just about did. The catalyst that pushed Diana over the edge and where she started doubting man.

More likely there was a reshoot and somehow that scene was left in because it flowed well.

I do agree he should have cut and run in the end though. We knew he fled Olympus, that he whispers in Man's ear, and that he set up this plan to corrupt Diana by showing man's own deeds. I think it would have been more true to his character for him to cut and run like the backstabbing coward he's depicted as.

Save the final confrontation for WWII. But no suit will sign off on that with a $150m budget.

There's a deeper dumbness/catch-22 to Ares' actions; Diana kills Ludendorff and is in despair that the war hasn't stopped. She thinks men are evil because she thinks she's already killed Ares. Then Sir Patrick reveals himself and says we both think are men are evil so join me... Um no you dumb fuck she only now thinks men are evil because she thinks you're dead; by revealing yourself you only remove the source of her despair.

Even after that misstep Sir Patrick could have pitched it better. If he had pretended he was only pushing for the Armistice yet despite his best efforts Ludendorff was still planing for war then he could have swayed Diana. But then he bragged that he was feeding evil ideas to both sides basically confirming that Wonder Woman's intuition was right and she should kick his ass. I honestly don't know what he expected to happen; it's almost like he was actually itching for a fight.

 

[elrechazado]

It's not so much that as the fact that it's kinda strange that the war AFTER they beat Ares is much worse. He's not a very good War God.

In fact, things might have been better in the long run if Ares had been allowed to draw WWI out. Then maybe the Germans don't get such a bad deal and Hitler isn't able to take power.

This thread is full of probably 100 good posts that talk about how ww2 is a totally logical result of what ares did in the movie. Highly recommend we not have this thoroughly refuted discussion again.

 

[TyrantII]

There's a deeper dumbness/catch-22 to Ares' actions; Diana kills Ludendorff and is in despair that the war hasn't stopped. She thinks men are evil because she thinks she's already killed Ares. Then Sir Patrick reveals himself and says we both think are men are evil so join me... Um no you dumb fuck she only now thinks men are evil because she thinks you're dead; by revealing yourself you only remove the source of her despair.

Even after that misstep Sir Patrick could have pitched it better. If he had pretended he was only pushing for the Armistice yet despite his best efforts Ludendorff was still planing for war then he could have swayed Diana. But then he bragged that he was feeding evil ideas to both sides basically confirming that Wonder Woman's intuition was right and she should kick his ass. I honestly don't know what he expected to happen; it's almost like he was actually itching for a fight.

Except he literally tells her he doesn't interfere on that level. He says to her there's a whisper in their ear every now and then, gives them idea, but that they freely choose what to do with the knowledge he imparts. It's implied he never caused the war. That laser focus on free will, and humanities inability to wield knowledge and power.

Now maybe there's some naivete still left in Diana, and she does say she can't be a part of what he proposes. But then Steve dies, the team is going to die, and the last shred of it is wiped away as Ares was screaming "see what they do to themselves, see what they are".

And here's the architect of all of this needless terror, done in her free will. Make your judgment.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

But when they had them, they didn't immediately trip over themselves removing all tension from the scene.

Hurdle, cleared.

Lol ok. If that's a metric you think is worth using, sure.

Who said she sat out Ww?

I mean maybe she didn't. But I think the war would have been over a lot quicker if she was involved with WW2 from the start. Even assuming Hitler has metas on his side (he probably would). This movie smartly gets around that by having her enter the war right at the end of it.

I'm curious how they handle her time in between WW1 and modern day. BvS made it seem like she had bowed out of the affairs of man for 100 years and hints it's because of the events of WW1, but the movie obviously doesn't leave her in a place for that to make sense. Perhaps she's just been really low key saving people this whole time (including the war) but her modus operandi has always been more like Superman's than Batman's. Why would she hide her existence? I'm curious if they explore that at some point.

 

[Blackhead]

Except he literally tells her he doesn't interfere on that level. He says to her there's a whispers in their ears every now and then, gives then idea, but that they freely choose what to do. It's implied he never caused the war. That laser focus on free will, and humanities inability to wield knowledge and power.

Now maybe there's some naivete still left in Diana, and she does say she can't be a part of what he proposes. But then Steve dies and the last shred of it is wiped away as Ares was screaming "see what they do to themselves, see what they are".

is this the god's version of the 'guns don't kill people, people do'? Of course his ideas are an interference on 'that level' especially when the weapons ideas are used to not just to wage war against those who want to fight but also destroy the people who want peace

 

[mugurumakensei]

is this the god's version of the 'guns don't kill people, people do'? Of course his ideas are an interference on 'that level' especially when the weapons ideas are used to not just to wage war against those who want to fight but also destroy the people who want peace

Well, a lot of things can go either way.

Real world: Nuclear power can be used for a bomb or as an energy source for a really long period of time.

WW: Dr Poison's pill that Lutendorf used can likely heal people who have been injured.

The gas too could theoretically be used as part of rescuing a person trapped in something the gas can break down.

That people chose to use Ares's knowledge for vessels of war really is on them.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Why does The General get coke head strength from that powder?

He starts glowing because.....?

I wish reviews talked like this lol.

 

[Da-Kid]

This was a good movie but not as good as people are making it. I wouldn't put it above The First Avenger, or even Thor.

Gal was pretty good as Wonder Woman but there wasn't much depth in her character, she was charming and cute. Chris was good too, I'd say he was the better character. Now as for the story, its average. It had a good opportunity to be great but it squandered it and went with the obvious bs.

When WW killed the General and Chris went on his monologue about how even with or without Ares humans can be terrible and do terrible things because they want to. But some are good, and some can be more. Yeah.. kick that shit out, it was all Ares and when he's dead everyone is happy go lucky again...

The CGI was pretty terrible and frequently so. The green screen in this movie is terrible too. There are a lot of instances where it literally looked like some One Upon a Time green screen effects were going on where it was just obvious. When there was a CGI WW, dann you could definitely tell. That scene at the end where she charges through soldiers was some of the worst effects I've ever seen.

It was average, not the masterpiece its made to be. If this is a masterpiece, then Winter Solider, Ant-Man, Iron Man to name a few is something God himself delivered us.