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[martino]

Holy shit, there are actually people in here arguing that this is acceptable? How is headshotting moving people from across the map with little effort acceptable? Someone please explain this to me.

Holy shit, there are actually people taking small amont of data with no clear representaiton of global current situation, making it prophecy and want immediate action on the base of it.
How is this acceptable ?
Someone please explain this to me.

 

[texhnolyze]

aim assist isnt cheating.
im saying fix it. if someone play destiny with a their tv as sound source whereas i play with a gaming headset. should i be punished because he cant hear as well as me?

same with controller on pc. that is a decision you made. if you are more comfortable with it, then good for you. but dont complain that someone is using a more optimal device for pc gaming than you.

the aim assist that was shown is ridiculous for pc gaming.

Aim assist whilst using kb/m IS cheating. Is it even arguable?

The problem here is not kb/m users crying out because pad players owned them with aim assist.

It's because there are kb/m users who exploit the aim assist using kb/m. Yes, it IS an exploit which is basically cheating.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Holy shit, there are actually people taking small amont of data with no clear representaiton of global current situation, making it prophecy and want immediate action on the base of it.
How is this acceptable ?
Someone please explain this to me.

I wouldn't call the entire history of multiplayer online gaming a "small amount of data". Then again I'm not trying to pretend there isn't a problem here. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

I wouldn't call the entire history of multiplayer online gaming a "small amount of data". Then again I'm not trying to pretend there isn't a problem here. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

What even is this thread any more lmao.

 

[grfunkulus]

Remove controller aim assist, change the recoil pattern to be equal with MKB.

So lets undo all the good balancing work Bungie did to make m + Kb and controller viable competitors to each other because <5% of the population wants to be sweaty cheating bi#$!s

That's what this thread is amounting to at the moment. The whiny few don't understand that the actual number of times they got killed by someone using an XIM is much lower than they think. The rest of the time it's truly just "Git Gud".

 

[Glass Shark]

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[grfunkulus]

Aim assist whilst using kb/m IS cheating. Is it even arguable?

The problem here is not kb/m users crying out because pad players owned them with aim assist.

It's because there are kb/m users who exploit the aim assist using kb/m. Yes, it IS an exploit which is basically cheating.

So fix the exploit or accept that a very small percentage will use it and win trials of Osiris and other competitive gametypes. Don't ruin pvp for a huge segment of the population coming from console, wanting a 60fps Destiny experience and have no interest in M + Kb. That segment of the population dwarfs the cheating portion, or the portion that comes on GAF, reddit, etc... to complain.

 

[Spartancarver]

I can't believe there are people in this thread defending the aim assist on PC.

They locked out Afterburner and RTSS, which are practically PC gaming staples for hardware monitoring, in the name of anti cheat.

Where's the consistency

 

[Xyber]

As I see it, aim assist should be disabled in PvP if kept in this current state. People will abuse it with a m/k because it is pretty much an undetectable auto-aim. The word will spread and more and more people will start abusing it since Bungie can't just start banning people who emulate controllers since there's plenty of valid reasons to do so.

PvP on PC should be a fair and even playfield as in no sort of auto-aim available to anyone. If someone then decided to use a gamepad, they should do so knowing that no sort of assist will be available. If playing competitively with a pad is what someone wants to do, then playing on console might be the better option..

And while typing this I remembered Bad Company 2, if Destiny had the same AA as that then it would be no problem at all allowing it in PvP. There's no snap to target, there's no auto-tracking. All it does is slightly slow down the turn speed when the crosshair is on a target and at longer ranges it's barely noticable.

https://youtu.be/wO4_OKYoV1c

If people say that not enough assist, then all I can say is git gud because I played that game for almost 400 hours without a single complaint about the aiming.

 

[Razzmatazzer]

I'm starting to appreciate my console decision a bit more with this thread, lol. I want to play Destiny with my controller, it's just more convenient for me. If Bungie ends up removing AA it would force me to switch to m/k.

 

[grfunkulus]

I'm starting to appreciate my console decision a bit more with this thread, lol. I want to play Destiny with my controller, it's just more convenient for me. If Bungie ends up removing AA it would force me to switch to m/k.

It would force me to switch to ps4 which I really, really don't want to go back to...the game feels worlds better on PC. This isn't a Sony problem either. Bungie created this problem for themselves by not working from the ground up to make it 60fps on Pro and Xbox One X. They could have one segment at 30fps and another at uncapped/near 60. Other console shooters do it. BF1 is a completely different game on the Pro and no one bats an eye.

 

[Crosseyes]

The quality of game play while using a controller is more important than an exploit that a tiny amount of cheaters will abuse to get a slim advantage.

I hope Bungie looks into ways to detect and ban cheaters who do use that exploit but its not worth throwing the controller experience on PC under the bus to fix it.

Now mouse players who see playing against controllers with aim assist as a problem to begin with?

Deal with it. Perhaps Destiny 2 isn't the game for you? More games should be taking into account the controller vs mouse gap like this and I applaud Bungie for letting controller gameplay on PC be just as good as on console.

 

[martino]

I wouldn't call the entire history of multiplayer online gaming a "small amount of data". Then again I'm not trying to pretend there isn't a problem here. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

It sure can only repeat when the only response to a situation is doing the same thing again and again...

 

[Timedog]

Can't they just lock the aimbot logic to 30fps or something? Maybe I'm not understanding how high fps makes aim assist better?

 

[solomon]

Where does the steam controller fall in all this? I have one collecting dust.

 

[MaLDo]

On PC these are the same thing. A "pad" is whatever is reporting as a pad to the OS. Either everything reporting as a pad should be able to exploit AA or nothing should. There is no difference between the two as far as the OS, and thus the game, is concerned. Either AA is nerfed into oblivion, or people will exploit AA to the best of their abilities. That's what players have historically done even on consoles. Players will exploit anything and everything that gives them even a tiny advantage in competitive games.

I will say it again:

aim assist is activated when the game thinks you're using a controller. In this mode, acceleration, speed and precision are not the same. Are reduced versus the "mouse mode".

So, if you want to have aim assist, you will have limited movement like a controller player.

You will play exactly like a player that connect a mouse to his console. Under the same rules as rest of the players using that device.

 

[MaLDo]

The quality of game play while using a controller is more important than an exploit that a tiny amount of cheaters will abuse to get a slim advantage.

I hope Bungie looks into ways to detect and ban cheaters who do use that exploit but its not worth throwing the controller experience on PC under the bus to fix it.

Now mouse players who see playing against controllers with aim assist as a problem to begin with?

Deal with it. Perhaps Destiny 2 isn't the game for you? More games should be taking into account the controller vs mouse gap like this and I applaud Bungie for letting controller gameplay on PC be just as good as on console.

Agree. Every Call of Duty game has aim assist on PC for controllers and no one is crying. Is Destiny 2 different for some reason?

 

[texhnolyze]

Agree. Every Call of Duty game has aim assist on PC for controllers and no one is crying. Is Destiny 2 different for some reason?

Destiny 2 is different because of the exploit.

If kb/m users can't exploit the aim assist, this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[Aselith]

Really Bungie should just flat out remove aim assist. Overwatch did it, there's no reason Bungie couldn't do it as well. Level the playing field, the system shouldn't be aimbotting for one control scheme over another.

That's not an even playing field since controllers are inherently less accurate and quick to aim.

 

[Dec]

Agree. Every Call of Duty game has aim assist on PC for controllers and no one is crying. Is Destiny 2 different for some reason?

I mean, the Call of Duty games aren't exactly well liked on PC, or have a very large population.

It's really good that Destiny's success has nothing to do with it's PvP because it would certainly fail in the long run.

 

[MaLDo]

Destiny 2 is different because of the exploit.

If kb/m users can't exploit the aim assist, this thread wouldn't exist.

People says is a OS problem that can't be avoided. Again, how COD is different?

 

[texhnolyze]

People says is a OS problem that can't be avoided. Again, how COD is different?

You actually have to setup some stuff first to enable aim assist with kb/m.

It's not a simple plug and play. You know, like what cheaters usually do.

 

[Aselith]

You actually have to setup some stuff first to enable aim assist with kb/m.

It's not a simple plug and play. You know, like what cheaters usually do.

Oh so if you have to set something up, its a cheat.

Graphics tweakers and modders need the boot too then.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I mean, the Call of Duty games aren't exactly well liked on PC, or have a very large population.

It's really good that Destiny's success has nothing to do with it's PvP because it would certainly fail in the long run.

Pvp is probably the main thing that kept players around. Starting to notice that Gaf has a very skewed perception when it comes to pvp vs pve in destiny. I don't think people farmed omnighul hundreds of times to get grasp of Malok for pve. Even the top streamers were mainly pvp players.

 

[texhnolyze]

Oh so if you have to set something up, its a cheat.

Graphics tweakers and modders need the boot too then.

Do graphic tweaks give you the same advantage like aim assist? It's not even comparable.

If this setup is at OS level, why is different for COD? (Third time, same question).

I dunno, I don't play nor follow COD news.

 

[MaLDo]

You actually have to setup some stuff first to enable aim assist with kb/m.

It's not a simple plug and play. You know, like what cheaters usually do.

If this setup is at OS level, why is different for COD? (Third time, same question).

 

[Dec]

Pvp is probably the main thing that kept players around. Starting to notice that Gaf has a very skewed perception when it comes to pvp vs pve in destiny. I don't think people farmed omnighul hundreds of times to get grasp of Malok for pve.

I am speaking of the PC platform. As that is what this thread is about.

If this game were only the PvP it would not be successful on this platform.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I am speaking of the PC platform. As that is what this thread is about.

If this game were only the PvP it would not be successful on this platform.

So more made up conclusions that mean little to nothing while being spoken in the name of the PC community? Cool.

 

[Dec]

So more made up conclusions that mean little to nothing while being spoken in the name of the PC community? Cool.

At least my posts are relevant at all.

 

[Aselith]

Do graphic tweaks give you the same advantage like aim assist? It's not even comparable.

Absolutely, significantly increasing framerate is a huge advantage

 

[RichiRamjag]

At least my posts are relevant at all.

What a retort...I don't see how your made up assumptions and generalizations in the name of the PC community are all that relevant.

 

[martino]

What a retort...I don't see how your made up assumptions and generalizations in the name of the PC community are all that relevant.

Unlike you it feed the thread agenda

 

[RichiRamjag]

Unlike you it feed the thread agenda

It only seems to feed the "agenda" if it's in agreement with what most of you believe I guess. If someone has a solution that doesn't involve completely gutting AA at the expense of controller users, I'm all ears.

 

[texhnolyze]

Absolutely, significantly increasing framerate is a huge advantage

How much framerates can you possibly gain from graphic tweakings?

If you're talking about playing at 540p for the sake of 120fps, is it really worth it?

Framerates do give you advantage, but most of the time people get it from the easiest way, buy a beefy PC. I've always had lower end PCs all these years, I know how graphics tweaking work. It wouldn't give you such huge framerates gain no matter what you do.

 

[ookami]

If this setup is at OS level, why is different for COD? (Third time, same question).

Just for the info there is no AA in COD.
Source.

 

[Glass Shark]

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[ferom]

You actually have to setup some stuff first to enable aim assist with kb/m.

It's not a simple plug and play. You know, like what cheaters usually do.

It's the exact same procedure in COD as it is in D2. Spoof a controller in some way and get aim assist. The problem is worse in COD because it has really high turn speed limit on a controller so you can get really close to actual mouse aim. And I think the recoil and accuracy stats are better or same on a controller compared to a mouse, where as the opposite is true in D2.

 

[ookami]

This is false, someone is misinformed. As someone who plays CoD on PC every year, it has had aim assist with controllers on PC since Ghosts. Battlefield 1 also has it on PC.

Well.. Then this is really sad because if the support of a game you play don't even know about its integrated systems... :-/

 

[texhnolyze]

This assumes that AA will only be used for cheating and exploits, which is absolutely not the case. Removing aim assist doesn't just stop the cheaters (who will try to cheat regardless of whatever decision Bungie makes, by the way), it removes a completely legitimate control option for players. It's not that complicated if you just think critically for a second.

I feel like so many people who are bashing aim assist have not played shooters with a controller for a significant amount of time. It's not magical. It's not an instant win button, especailly when you're facing even decent mouse and keyboard players.

True. The ones who are bitching about this issue are not kb/m players who got owned by gamepad players, but fellow kb/m players who are cheating with the aim assist.

And guess what, the ones who're probably gonna get fucked are gamepad players if they were to remove aim assist completely.

It's the exact same procedure in COD as it is in D2. Spoof a controller in some way and get aim assist. The problem is worse in COD because it has really high turn speed limit on a controller so you can get really close to actual mouse aim. And I think the recoil and accuracy stats are better or same on a controller compared to a mouse, where as the opposite is true in D2.

In that case, I'll mirror MaLDo's question. Why is it such a big issue in Destiny 2?

 

[BRocknRolla]

Absolutely, significantly increasing framerate is a huge advantage

And PC players are going to have framerates all over the board because of the differences their settings or hardware.

Graphical tweaking is not comparable to this scenario. Setting something up to spoof a mouse as a controller is a totally different world of modification to the game.

 

[MaLDo]

Unlike you it feed the thread agenda

 

[Kildrek]

It is absolutely cheating.

I plugged my controller in and used my kb/m and had insane numbers of kills. I unplugged the controller and used my kb/m and was average.

It's obviously cheating, how can people argue that it's not?

 

[texhnolyze]

It is absolutely cheating.

I plugged my controller in and used my kb/m and had insane numbers of kills. I unplugged the controller and used my kb/m and was average.

It's obviously cheating, how can people argue that it's not?

Because they enjoy using it?

 

[MaLDo]

It is absolutely cheating.

I plugged my controller in and used my kb/m and had insane numbers of kills. I unplugged the controller and used my kb/m and was average.

It's obviously cheating, how can people argue that it's not?

Are you saying that aim assist is enabled in mouse ONLY connecting the controller?

That's bullshit and a ton of placebo on your side.

 

[Kildrek]

Exactly, they're justifying their shitty actions because they feel like they're finally good.

 

[Kildrek]

Are you saying that aim assist is enabled in mouse ONLY connecting the controller?

That's bullshit and a ton of placebo on your side.

I plugged the controller in, used my mouse and didn't have to have on point aim to get hits.

I unplugged the controller and had to have the dot on the enemy to get hits.

It's not really rocket science.

 

[MaLDo]

Exactly, they're justifying their shitty actions because they feel like they're finally good.

Or you're criticizing what they have because you think you should be better than them.

 

[RichiRamjag]

It is absolutely cheating.

I plugged my controller in and used my kb/m and had insane numbers of kills. I unplugged the controller and used my kb/m and was average.

It's obviously cheating, how can people argue that it's not?

I thought you had to make modifications to get aim assist on mouse and keyboard? Are you saying you just plugged in your controller and your mouse had aim assist automatically?

But according to the reports, you have to setup some mumbo jumbo first to use aim assist with kb/m.

That's what everything I've read states.

 

[texhnolyze]

I plugged the controller in, used my mouse and didn't have to have on point aim to get hits.

I unplugged the controller and had to have the dot on the enemy to get hits.

It's not really rocket science.

But according to the reports, you have to setup some mumbo jumbo first to use aim assist with kb/m.

 

[Kildrek]

Or you're criticizing what they have because you think you should be better than them.

I'm criticizing someone using an exploit with a controller plugged in and using the mouse to aim because that's a shitty thing to do.

You want to play with just a controller, I have no idsues with.

You want to exploit to make yourself feel better at a game for? Bonus internet points? I don't get it.