Moderators: the new ban on social and political discourse

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OrangeJulius said:
The fact that someone arguing for free speech and discussion of controversial opinions causes you to respond with "yikes" like it's somehow frightening or taboo or gross shows just how far the first world has fallen.

If you don't want discussion on a discussion board then what are you here for?

To hear others parrot back you view point for a dopamine hit?



I don't call myself a progressive. I call myself a human being. If that makes me the devil to you, so be it. I'd rather be a devil with free will than chained to a group of people who tow the party line down the barrel of a gun.
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lol, fuck off with the "controversial opinions" bullshit. I can already smell them, probably prejudiced, hateful shit.

Come on, give me some examples.
 
x24hrs2livex said:
Gonna throw my 2 pennies in....


No more Trump threads.

No more LGBTQ rights threads.

No more threads about Colin Kaepernick.

No more PoliGAF(didn't participate, just read, but those were some knowledgeable dudes. Hate to lose that over some BS)

No more GamerGate threads.

No more Black man shot and killed by cops threads.

No more dirty cop threads(See Baltimore PD recent indictments of officers)

Basically OT will now be Sports, Movies, TV and Music.
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Please add the endless climate change bullshit to the list

Otherwise these changes sound perfect, I don't come here for armchair analysis of the current affairs. I come here to be entertained and to learn about other things to entertain myself with. The movie and tv show threads were awesome.

You want to spew your political agendas go elsewhere please
 
Let's make members at ease and moderators and moderation more transparent. I know! Let's make moderators anonymous, so they don't have to take any responsibility for their actions.

I mean this has to be wrong?
 
Overall this seems like a bad idea and a knee jerk response to a crisis in internal organisation. I can understand suspending the OT for a few days while things calm down, but I don't really agree with that either. Neogaf is a community, and as such bigger than the person who provides the platform for its existence. That is a very small, although welcome contribution to the creation of the gaming community.
 
NHarmonic. said:
lol, fuck off with the "controversial opinions" bullshit. I can already smell them, probably prejudiced, hateful shit.

Come on, give me some examples.
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Maybe some are hateful or prejudiced. Let a fair and balanced mod team deal with them if someone crosses the line. The previous one was not either fair or balanced. What prevents you from arguing logically against people with so called hateful and prejudiced opinions?

If you argument is sound I see no reason why you yourself can't defend your view point without needing mod enforcers squashing anyone who makes arguments from the other side.
 
Primethius said:
Actually it pretty much is. The removal of off topic is indicator enough. Now it's a "take politics out of my gaming" nonsense.
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Yeah, this is dangerous shit. GAF fought hard to keep Gamergate and similar trash out of the forum, but Evilore has always been cynical and dismissive of social justice, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he took this opportunity to make GAF great again, so to speak.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Maybe some are hateful or prejudiced. Let a fair and balanced mod team deal with them if someone crosses the line. The previous one was not either fair or balanced. What prevents you from arguing logically against people with so called hateful and prejudiced opinions?

If you argument is sound I see no reason why you yourself can't defend you view point without needing mod enforcers squashing anyone who makes arguments from the other side.
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People shouldn't be forcefully subjected to racism and bigotry against them for the sake of offering logical rebuttal.
 
I'm glad that the DOA community can discuss their underage/rape bikini sims in peace without those darn SJWs

I'm sure Evilore will fit in there, I hear you can shower the women
 
Primethius said:
Actually it pretty much is. The removal of off topic is indicator enough. Now it's a "take politics out of my gaming" nonsense.
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Sometimes I just want to talk about video games without getting into a political debate. I just wanna talk about speedrunning powerstars and what's under Toad's hat (is it a hat?) without having to read a whole bunch of hand-wringing. I think having a "politics in gaming" subforum would be great. I don't think it's too much to ask.

From: a leftist who gets into way too much political talk on Facebook (my mistake) and has been accused of being an SJW boogeyman by the alt-righters that can't handle being called out for their shitty opinions
 
pr0cs said:
Please add the endless climate change bullshit to the list

Otherwise these changes sound perfect, I don't come here for armchair analysis of the current affairs. I come here to be entertained and to learn about other things to entertain myself with. The movie and tv show threads were awesome.

You want to spew your political agendas go elsewhere please
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I don't want to hear about other people's suffering, in threads I am never forced to read.
 
psyfi said:
Yeah, this is dangerous shit. GAF fought hard to keep Gamergate and similar trash out of the forum, but Evilore has always been cynical and dismissive of social justice, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he took this opportunity to make GAF great again, so to speak.
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Well, you don't own GAF, you just rented it for a few years. You don't have say over what can and can't be discussed here. Nor do I for that matter. If you don't like opinions being discussed then prove them wrong. Or just leave. That's what I did.

I hope the ResetEra thing works out. Everyone who thinks like you can go to their new echo chamber hug box and felate themselves for dopamine hits. Leave the sane people here. Maybe many of the old members who left over the past few years can come back and we can talk about things again without having to ask the GAF secret police if it's ok first.
 
TumblingHippo said:
Burying your head in the sand about social issues in games and spawned by games will make for a terrible website.
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NHarmonic. said:
You don't realize how much you like the status quo and detest people "rustling your feathers" about this issues. More female representation in gaming? Sure but it shouldn't touch my classics. And by that logic, then why would anything change? Let's have the same white, cis, hetero, bald, 30 something, built man in every game then. It's the same with the debate of Link's gender.

But whatever, this is exactly why the future of Gaf seems unpromising, and close to get to the same alt-right circle jerks that pollute the industry.
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And there it is. You take an opinion, assume the worst and put the poster in the ‘alt right’ pile, just because their opinion differs from yours. If you can’t see that this was a problem before then perhaps you will be better served at the other site.

Things should, have and will change but changing the gender of protagonists of games from my childhood is not the answer. By all means make a spin-off, that would be cool. A Linkle adventure would be awesome. There is nothing right wing about that statement.
 
x24hrs2livex said:
Gonna throw my 2 pennies in....
No more GamerGate threads.
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GamerGate threads are game related and should reside. Most game related communities are openly against GamerGater, because these people are simply hateful, pathetic nerds and the community should go up against them. Any decent person is against GamerGate anyway.

As the other political themes. Never would have discusses these things on a game related forum anyway, there are more appropriate places for this.
 
CrimzonSamurai said:
People shouldn't be forcefully subjected to racism and bigotry against them for the sake of offering logical rebuttal.
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Identity politics is the order of the day among progressives is it not?

If you focus solely on your identity and yours alone in your daily life, you can't be upset if others decide to focus on your identity too.

I agree, racism and bigotry is bad. I've always said live and let live. But you can't have your cake and eat it too in this world.
 
ZeoVGM said:
Because the individual things he says are newsworthy. The President of the United States is a white supremacist and sexual assaulter. This presidency is a history-defining moment.

By GAF's own rules, it is "new threads for new news."

Based on your logic, you think that Trump's recent comments to a widow should be in the same thread as Trump's comments on NFL players.

They absolutely should not. They are different news stories.

And just so you know, mods DID lock threads that were redundant about Trump. But they also realized that many things he says and does ARE big singular stories.

I understand it's hard to look at. But that is our reality for at least another three years and you can't just pretend it's not happening.
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
He's the president of the United States, and the majority of users are from English speaking countries. Like it or not, most everything the US government does effects all of our lives.

The GAF rule was always new threads for new news, because it's easy for updates to get lost in 300 page OTs, and you'll have entire pages of posters replying with outdated information. The president also effects a disproportionate amount of topics; from immigration to local elections to policing to international conflict to the environment to sports to lgbt rights to women's rights to minority rights to taxes to space exploration.

It would be, frankly, asinine to attempt to discuss all of those subjects simultaneously in one thread, along with every major crises that a president must address that gets thousands of replies.

People who don't want to be in a discussion can just... ignore a thread. "Triggered to trolling" means what, you can't help but shitpost news that effects your confirmation bias?
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Thank you! People saying we should essentially “hide” Trump threads are obviously the ones not affected by his terrible policies and opinions, and don’t want to hear about it either. Similar to the “Stick to sports!” bs I see in regards to NFL players kneeling or whenever else an athlete has an opinion.

That kind of attitude is exactly what got us Trump in the first place. So sorry that your likely straight white male existence is being made slightly uncomfortable by real people with real problems. If you want to pretend a problem only exists because people have the nerve to speak up about it, that’s naive at best and disingenuous at worst.

I’d rather talk about it, but that’s just me.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Maybe some are hateful or prejudiced. Let a fair and balanced mod team deal with them if someone crosses the line. The previous one was not either fair or balanced. What prevents you from arguing logically against people with so called hateful and prejudiced opinions?

If you argument is sound I see no reason why you yourself can't defend your view point without needing mod enforcers squashing anyone who makes arguments from the other side.
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You're basically advocating for GAF to be a youtube comment thing. Why should people be exposed to your hate and bigotry? Why do you feel entitled to express it? We shouldn't "logically" discuss your bullshit ""opinions"" when they are nothing more than hate under the disguise of free speech and "all opinions are valid". You have a lot of other outlets for that.

And i can already imagine the arguments, probably "Gays aren't natural", "Race superiority" etc. Shit everyone knows is stupid and baseless but people keep feeling the need to spill it and make others feel miserable.

If people like you are the future of GAF then this is really fucked.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Well, you don't own GAF, you just rented it for a few years. You don't have say over what can and can't be discussed here. Nor do I for that matter. If you don't like opinions being discussed then prove them wrong. Or just leave. That's what I did.

I hope the ResetEra thing works out. Everyone who thinks like you can go to their new echo chamber hug box and felate themselves for dopamine hits. Leave the sane people here. Maybe many of the old members who left over the past few years can come back and we can talk about things again without having to ask the GAF secret police if it's ok first.
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We just don't want you to be racist, sexist, transphobic, etc. It's difficult, but it's not some grand conspiracy.
 
I really enjoy GAF, and have been a member for a long time.

All I want to say is that one person's actions do not define an entire community. People make poor choices, some grow up and learn from their poor choices, and some don't or won't.

In any case, if GAF does end, I wish the best to all the people who were ever friendly to me, or were willing to engage in some form of communication.

If GAF ends, despite all our flaws, I will miss you.

Take care GAF,
Damian
 
7threst said:
Some of these posts here, wow....

So I guess it's not a pretty safe place to be anymore for minorities since we now can "discuss" everything "controversial" aka hate speech.

Yeah, old GAF was better.
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I'm gay.

I suck cock. It goes in my butt.

I have no fear saying that here.

I feel pretty safe.
 
NHarmonic. said:
You're basically advocating for GAF to be a youtube comment thing. Why should people be exposed to your hate and bigotry? Why do you feel entitled to express it? We shouldn't "logically" discuss your bullshit ""opinions"" when they are nothing more than hate under the disguise of free speech and "all opinions are valid". You have a lot of other outlets for that.

And i can already imagine the arguments, probably "Gays aren't natural", "Race superiority" etc. Shit everyone knows is stupid and baseless but people keep feeling the need to spill it and make others feel miserable.

If people like you are the future of GAF then this is really fucked.
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I don't feel entitled to express anything. I'm just a guest in someone else's house. If I make bad faith arguments, troll posts, calling names for hurts sake, etc. Then I deserve to cop a ban. Otherwise all I'm saying is discuss. If you don't like that stance, you are free to leave just as I left GAF when it became a circle jerk for progressives who feel entitled to a safe space on someone else's property.

You don't like it. Allow me to show you the door. Or by all means, stay and let's talk.
 
pr0cs said:
Please add the endless climate change bullshit to the list

Otherwise these changes sound perfect, I don't come here for armchair analysis of the current affairs. I come here to be entertained and to learn about other things to entertain myself with. The movie and tv show threads were awesome.

You want to spew your political agendas go elsewhere please
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Or you could just ignore content you don't want to read just like you ignore game threads you don't care about.

I learned a lot about current affairs in OT. I became more liberal from learning in the OT.
 
RefigeKru said:
So because Evilore doesn't respect women we can't speak on real things anymore?

lol
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I love how threads on the subject keep getting erased. I'm picturing Evilore, a mad king in his lone palace, deleting the threads like a game of totalitarian Whack a Mole.

This is a sad day. Gamergate and kneejerk rightwing dudes took GAF. But Reset Era is on its way. I'm sure that, unlike this ZombieGaf, (Credit to my GF on that one) it won't have a population of a 90% of white dudes and will welcome the diversity and topics that made GAF great.
 
8byte said:
This isn't true.

The truth is the people who hate the "echo chamber" weren't and aren't just disagreeing, they were often insulting, confrontational, and said hateful things to justify their point of view. They just lacked basic human empathy, and anonymity made them feel big enough to challenge the very social structure in which they have failed to be successful.

It's not that they got banned for "disagreeing". They were just assholes.
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EDIT:Holy crap this was a Long poat

This.

Also, people need to stop with this freaking "everyone gets banned cause I don't like gafs politics" absolute bollocks.

Just LAST WEEK I was having a discussion with someone in the Brexit thread who had a history of saying things like "muslims are taking over London that's why the London Mayor is now muslim" or "when do we just accept that Islam is not compatible with western culture and start to ban them from our country", and also complained about the amount of children of immigrants are in his kids classrooms.

I mean, maybe Im wrong, but has islamophobia ever been part of "gafs politics"? Cause that guy wasnt banned......and he said that stuff over a good period of time?

There was also some Canadian guy I remember seeing, saying he was a Trump supporter because he felt he was turned down a job or school.placememt or something because a brown person applied and they got it instead of him. He wasn't banned.

Then there was "patrol", a so called real life cop who would go into every single thread about police brutality and no matter the amount of video evidence, show no empathy and try to justify every senseless killing that he could. He did this for yeeeeeeeeaars before he was banned.



People DO get piled on for making certain statements or giving certain views, but the problem I see is that they rarely ever are able to substantiate them.

Like the guy from the Brexit thread. Who tried to make out that he only had economic issues (that were flimsy and that he barely cared to defend) with migration and felt outraged when someone suggested he had other reasons he was hiding. Till he was reminded of his islamophobic anti immigration posts. Then came the radio silence.

This is the real problem. People aren't afraid of bans. They just "feel"like they can't say what they want

If they feel they can win, or make an amazing point like "school demographics show that the only reason Londoners would ever vote in a muslim London Mayor is because they're overrun with muslims, numbers don't lie!", they'll talk.

Until they cant explain their reasoning. And then go quiet.


So in this new environment now, that islamophobe above would have gotten his anti Islam rhetoric from his own "echo chamber" that told him "only muslims would vote for a muslim", and not have the discussion with us to quote him the numbers or maybe just put the spark into his mind that maybe the mayor is muslim, because the Muslim candidate was the best candidate.

And last but not least, people didn't want to hear te extremely uncomfortable truths about their populations.

If we're going to stop having political discourse because people felt we were tooooo pro minority rights and toooo intolerant of bigotry then that's a truly sad day.

And if we were so literally famous for it, it's sends an extremely bad message to a whole lot of people that due to pressure from people who don't like our intolerance of intolerance, we've decided to silence that message so that those poor people who want to be intolerant can feel more comfortable knowing they won't have to see us espousing views that the KKK and misogyny are very bad things.

It just sounds a lot like "we need to stop the identity politics now and focus on the 'majority' " type things we heard after Trump won his election.

And this has just popped into my head .....

Why is there even a link between the owners recent trouble with accusations and now suddenly wanting to permenantly kill all political and social discourse?

Those are two seperate issues.

I guess if he never wanted GAF to become this beacon in a sea of crap that shines bright enough to be as hated as it is, and all the political drama that comes with it, then I can understand. Maybe being the face of GAF means personally taking on the insults of cuck/libtard/male feminazi/etc

I just can't get with the idea of killing our naturally left leaning political discourse, to make it "fair" for people who disagreed with it.

People who complained they couldn't voice their opinions, will only be happy that we now can't if they just didn't like to hear ours in the first place.

They shouldn't be celebrating the death of political threads. They should be asking for that ability to say what they really want to say without fear.

Anyone now happy we can't talk about social issues AT ALL, NEVER wanted a "fairer" system for them. They just hated seeing us standing up for what we believed in.

Which means that all they really wanted to say, was "STFU with your SJW SHIT".

And that's an extremely shitty reason to kill the discourse.

/rantings

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Prime examples of my bolded lines.

People who never needed to open a single thread about social or political views, not wanting a "fair hearing", just not wanting to hear anything at all.

Its not about wanting balancing views, it's about silencing them.

x24hrs2livex said:
Gonna throw my 2 pennies in....


No more Trump threads.

No more LGBTQ rights threads.

No more threads about Colin Kaepernick.

No more PoliGAF(didn't participate, just read, but those were some knowledgeable dudes. Hate to lose that over some BS)

No more GamerGate threads.

No more Black man shot and killed by cops threads.

No more dirty cop threads(See Baltimore PD recent indictments of officers)

Basically OT will now be Sports, Movies, TV and Music.
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pr0cs said:
Please add the endless climate change bullshit to the list

Otherwise these changes sound perfect, I don't come here for armchair analysis of the current affairs. I come here to be entertained and to learn about other things to entertain myself with. The movie and tv show threads were awesome.

You want to spew your political agendas go elsewhere please
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pr0cs said:
Please add the endless climate change bullshit to the list

Otherwise these changes sound perfect, I don't come here for armchair analysis of the current affairs. I come here to be entertained and to learn about other things to entertain myself with. The movie and tv show threads were awesome.

You want to spew your political agendas go elsewhere please
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Human decency a political agenda. They don't even want to see a thread title that may call their world view into question.
 
NHarmonic. said:
You're basically advocating for GAF to be a youtube comment thing. Why should people be exposed to your hate and bigotry? Why do you feel entitled to express it? We shouldn't "logically" discuss your bullshit ""opinions"" when they are nothing more than hate under the disguise of free speech and "all opinions are valid". You have a lot of other outlets for that.

And i can already imagine the arguments, probably "Gays aren't natural", "Race superiority" etc. Shit everyone knows is stupid and baseless but people keep feeling the need to spill it and make others feel miserable.

If people like you are the future of GAF then this is really fucked.
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Dumb people that write such things as "Gays aren't natural", "Race superiority" are surely still banned in future on neogaf (if there is any) as in any halfway decent internet community.

Who would even dumb enough to write things as "Gays aren't natural"? Because nature proves that gays are natural in all mammalian animals (and most other animal species like fishes or birds) and had been natural for the whole of humanties existence.
 
Clockwork said:
Why?? Why are people saying this??

This literally HAS NOT happened.
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It's a bit of hyperbole but they without question popping their heads out this morning.

OrangeJulius, for example, was trying to dance around the idea that bigotry is an opinion that should be tolerated and "discussed."
 
ZeoVGM said:
It's a bit of hyperbole but they without question popping their heads out this morning.

OrangeJulius, for example, was trying to dance around the idea that bigotry is an opinion that should be tolerated and "discussed."
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And apparently calling that out is "dog piling" and toxic.
 
ZeoVGM said:
It's a bit of hyperbole but they without question popping their heads out this morning.

OrangeJulius, for example, was trying to dance around the idea that bigotry is an opinion that should be tolerated and "discussed."
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There was a thread earlier titled something like "who's your favorite black protag." A member with +10k posts replied with a Donkey Kong picture.

That's the kind of person who feels emboldened today.
 
Gluka said:
There was a thread earlier titled something like "who's your favorite black protag." A member with like +10k posts replied with a Donkey Kong picture.

That's the kind of person who feels emboldened today.
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Let them pop up so they can be banned. It's no different than it was before. People are just taking advantage of the chaos.
 
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