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If the primary goal was to sell consoles. For MS, it obviously isn't.
Forbes - Microsoft’s ‘No Xbox Series X Exclusives’ Philosophy Is Not As Wild As It Sounds
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Grinchy
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Yeah, like how do you take a console with a super-fast SSD, a processor that is leagues above the previous gen, theoretically more RAM, ect, and think that anyone would build a game for that first and then chop it up to somehow run in some capacity on a significantly weaker last-gen machine?
It's not going to be done that way, which is evidenced by the fact that this "super pro-consumer move" is only for the first 12 months... you know, until Microsoft finally has their actual next-gen software ready to sell. The reality is that they have Xbox One games that are currently being made that will also run on XSX with nice bonuses, but they don't have any actual XSX software ready for the launch. I give them credit for this brilliant PR move, though.
M1chl
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I am fine with that if they do that, I buy a copy of the game on 1X and then when I buy Series x, I get the series X version for free... I hope it's going to be the case. Since if MS pulls that "TIER X" country, I am screwed, because X1 was in here year after it's release in Tier 1 countries... But X1X was here on worldwide launch, so hope it's going to be same.
I still have nightmares, when I bought PS4 in 2014, how I have only 2 games and nothing more to play on it. That's why I feel that MS approach is smart. Make my Series X buy easier...
I still have nightmares, when I bought PS4 in 2014, how I have only 2 games and nothing more to play on it. That's why I feel that MS approach is smart. Make my Series X buy easier...
Bernkastel
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Unfortunately, people need to be explained everything in one line.
He said until a year after Series X launch, they will keep releasing Xbox One games, which means until Hellblade II launch. Until then, I don't think games like Everwild need to be locked to Series X. Even Sony does not have a proper next gen title to take advantage of PS5(not Godfall).
GAF unfortunately has a strong obession with locking everything to Xbox Series X, and somehow believe it is going to help the consumer.
There are 3 other games(so far we know) that will launch around or after Series X - Halo Infinite(launch title), The Last Night and Yomi wo saku hana. All of these games have been announced as Xbox One titles.
The Switch launched with Breath of the Wild and it sold the console even though it was also on WiiU and they still supported WiiU/3DS for a while.
He said until a year after Series X launch, they will keep releasing Xbox One games, which means until Hellblade II launch. Until then, I don't think games like Everwild need to be locked to Series X. Even Sony does not have a proper next gen title to take advantage of PS5(not Godfall).
GAF unfortunately has a strong obession with locking everything to Xbox Series X, and somehow believe it is going to help the consumer.
There are 3 other games(so far we know) that will launch around or after Series X - Halo Infinite(launch title), The Last Night and Yomi wo saku hana. All of these games have been announced as Xbox One titles.
The Switch launched with Breath of the Wild and it sold the console even though it was also on WiiU and they still supported WiiU/3DS for a while.
DeltaPolarBear
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Wait for the PlayStation 5 official reveal.
Blood Borne
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still amazing to see people spinning this awful MS strategy. You're either a rabid fanboy or a shill.
Neofire
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The only thing MS cares about is software sales, how many devices can get people buying into games there licensed games.
Brand recognition and Marketshare are out the window. To me they should have just saved the money on RD and just put everything on PC, they seem to be headed in that direction anyway.
What good is an ecosystem when you have nothing that separates you from the competition.
What would make people choose the marketplace over say Steam or Epic's ecosystem?
The games are so cheap on pc already and you get to own them, it makes the GP seem like a waste of money. Remove the Xbox brand and they become just another subpar store front.
Brand recognition and Marketshare are out the window. To me they should have just saved the money on RD and just put everything on PC, they seem to be headed in that direction anyway.
What good is an ecosystem when you have nothing that separates you from the competition.
What would make people choose the marketplace over say Steam or Epic's ecosystem?
The games are so cheap on pc already and you get to own them, it makes the GP seem like a waste of money. Remove the Xbox brand and they become just another subpar store front.
DynamiteCop!
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Who is only talking about graphics? You people don't use your possibly capable brains.
As noted with something like Forza Horizon 2 which was a shared generational game, there were stark differences between the 360 build and the One build which went well beyond visual makeup. The physics engine and simulation was completely different, the world layout and environmental accessibility was completely different, the AI system was completely different.
Did the 360 in any way stifle the game on Xbox One? No, it absolutely did not. Was Rise of the Tomb Raider a compromised game on Xbox One because of the Xbox 360 release? Was the Xbox One X version compromised because of it? No, and that 360 hardware had drastic architectural and feature set differences.
They took this current generation game and gutted it to make it work, even Lara's model is different. The geometry is different, the lighting, the texture work etc. In some instances they had to remove cutscenes entirely and replace them with videos files from real-time renders from the Xbox One version.
You people are so dramatic and full of shit, one team builds the game for the current generation and then another takes that and reworks it for the last generation system. That's how this goes... Oh, and you want to talk about AI and CPU limitations? F.E.A.R. from 2005 still has some of the most intelligent AI in a game period and that could run on a single core Athlon 64 3000+...
Give me a break.
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How much R&D did it really take to put an AMD CPU and GPU inside of a PC tower and call it a day?
toxiichollow
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If that's the case why were the top selling games in the beginning of this gen cross-gen??
DeltaPolarBear
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How are they related? You buy cross gen games as a matter of course. But it is exclusives that decide which console you buy it on, Sure, some people are already decided and not changing, but those sitting on the fence would use niche titles that speaks to them personally, to decide which hardware to buy.
Also, 1st party game at launch is the only way to see how far a hardware could be pushed. You can talk all you want about power, but people need to see it to believe it. And cross gen games are not the ones to show it.
Bigpuddycat
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At this point, I'm honestly not sure what the point of XSX is. If the console won't have any exclusives then why would I buy it?
Nikana
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This argument really can go both ways.
It comes down to if Micorosft is going to put in the time and effort to really take advantage of both platforms. We will have to wait and see but they have shown in the past like with Horizon 2 and Titanfall that they are willing to make significant changes to thr experience to take advantage of the hardware.
But it will take time, money, and a set of talented developers like Play Ground Game and Respawn doing the work or working with other developers like Sumo digital to create good and solid experiences on every platform.
It comes down to if Micorosft is going to put in the time and effort to really take advantage of both platforms. We will have to wait and see but they have shown in the past like with Horizon 2 and Titanfall that they are willing to make significant changes to thr experience to take advantage of the hardware.
But it will take time, money, and a set of talented developers like Play Ground Game and Respawn doing the work or working with other developers like Sumo digital to create good and solid experiences on every platform.
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GHG
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Microsoft can always count on Forbes contributors to help them out in times of need.
You say that like it's a good thing. Its really not.
It's about time developers got untethered from these shitty Jaguar CPU's. The fact that I can still get away with having an overclocked i5 3570k in 2020 says it all, and it still sleeps in the vast majority of games at 1440p.
Microsoft want to go back as far as the OG Xbox One in terms of support. It wasn't good enough in 2013, and its borderline inadequate now. The fact that the Xbox One X has been celebrated so much by Xbox fans says it all, and now you want to go back to championing the original Xbox One?
Make up your minds.
You say that like it's a good thing. Its really not.
It's about time developers got untethered from these shitty Jaguar CPU's. The fact that I can still get away with having an overclocked i5 3570k in 2020 says it all, and it still sleeps in the vast majority of games at 1440p.
Microsoft want to go back as far as the OG Xbox One in terms of support. It wasn't good enough in 2013, and its borderline inadequate now. The fact that the Xbox One X has been celebrated so much by Xbox fans says it all, and now you want to go back to championing the original Xbox One?
Make up your minds.
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Bernkastel
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Your best bet is Guerilla Games and even they wont have there title at launch.
Anything upto the real Series X exclusives like Hellblade II is either originally announced as a Xbox One game(like Halo Infinite) or is not some graphical showcase that needs to be locked to Series X(Everwild).
Using a fancy choice of words to create a narrative is what I will call fanboying. Anything in the first year of a console release is always designed in its predecessor and ported over to the current gen. Locking it in the newer console is often used by companies to drive sales, but does not mean it is some ethical standard to adhere to
The reason changes based on console war narrative. Never ever have launch games took full advantage of the system
They pretty much said it was for the first few years, so not those new studios and ips. You dont have any idea what you are talking about with an awful attempt to make everything fit your console war narrative.
You probably wont buy it anyway, why bother and make it look like you are interested ?
You mean like the Kotaku article defending Sony ?
If locking a cross-gen title to a new system to drive sales is what makes you buy a console anyway, then you dont have any hope. By the time those "Sony first party titles taking advantage of PS5" come out, Microsoft will have already shifted to Series X console exclusives.
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DJ12
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I recently played a game were I could turn on higher standards of geometry, increase the resolution, run a higher frame rate and enable ray tracing. Amongst other bells and whistles.
I don't quite know what difference you lot are expecting from next gen but it will most likely look exactly like this gen with just the things I mentioned above enabled.
Can you really look at hellblade and say one X cannot do something very similar at 1080p or standard s at 720?
I think you are all expecting something that isnt going to happen. Next gen is better textured, higher resolution and ray tracing. I don't expect games to look massively different from what's out now.
Storm in a tea cup this one.
I don't quite know what difference you lot are expecting from next gen but it will most likely look exactly like this gen with just the things I mentioned above enabled.
Can you really look at hellblade and say one X cannot do something very similar at 1080p or standard s at 720?
I think you are all expecting something that isnt going to happen. Next gen is better textured, higher resolution and ray tracing. I don't expect games to look massively different from what's out now.
Storm in a tea cup this one.
Insane Metal
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Insane Metal: Microsoft 's strategy sucks
DynamiteCop!
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I'm not saying as if it's a good thing, I'm saying it as in you people have expectations that never align with reality. Did anything really change from last generation throughout this one in terms of AI even though this shitty Jaguar CPU is multitudes faster than the PowerPC CPU found in the Xbox 360? Not really, and like I said F.E.A.R. still did it better and that's 15 years old.
Another fundamental flaw in logic is that early games will be a rapid departure in design from where games presently reside, they won't be, and they never are. The first couple years of games on Series X and PlayStation 5 will be nuanced Xbox One and PlayStation 4 level experiences with a few new bells and whistles and a nice pretty coat of paint. Design evolution doesn't happen overnight, it takes years, you guys are out of touch with reality.
bumleforce
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This is just another pro consumer move by microsoft that xbox haters are jumping on. I don't remember people complaining when botw released on wii u or persona 5 came out on ps3. lots of games go cross gen. COD did it for 2 years into this gen
Aion002
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If you have enough money to buy a new Xbox..... why not buy a PC?
This is not a question to the mass market, but to the Xbox fans of this forum...
PC games are cheaper, PC outperforms consoles, has more games, more utility, emulation..... and even more exclusives.
Really, if you still think that playing on PC is hassle.... well, let me assure you: It's not! It's almost the same as playing on a console, you can use any controller.... And please, look at the new xbox size, you can make a PC a little bigger.... and that's it, almost all games in the world in your "video game".... you can also buy a powerful laptop... yay portability.
So why Gamers, who spend a shit ton of money on video games.... are going to buy a Xbox? And why do they even care about it in this forum.... So weird to me.
This is not a question to the mass market, but to the Xbox fans of this forum...
PC games are cheaper, PC outperforms consoles, has more games, more utility, emulation..... and even more exclusives.
Really, if you still think that playing on PC is hassle.... well, let me assure you: It's not! It's almost the same as playing on a console, you can use any controller.... And please, look at the new xbox size, you can make a PC a little bigger.... and that's it, almost all games in the world in your "video game".... you can also buy a powerful laptop... yay portability.
So why Gamers, who spend a shit ton of money on video games.... are going to buy a Xbox? And why do they even care about it in this forum.... So weird to me.
Dr.brain64
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A philosophy? Do they really have a choice?
GHG
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So what happens when they release the first Series X only game? Do they then become anti-consumer?
Better hardware for developers is more liberating, always. If they enforce rules that say "you must support this 7 year old hardware" then they are holding things back. Technology is supposed to look forwards, not backwards, its how we advance and get better experiences. If the choice is left to the developers then fine (the bigger 3rd party franchises will be cross-gen for a few years anyway) but if they actually tell devs that every Series X game must also work on the OG Xbox One then that's lunacy.
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nani17
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We here at Microsoft understand users are upset and confused with our recent decisions. It's not like we messed up a console lunch before(deletes browser history) I mean remember how amazing the Xbox One was with all its eh backwards compatibility and TV experience. It was so great just ask Don Mattrick.
Xbox is more of a service than a video-game console lol who even uses that word. We're a service like Netflix or like Origin Access. So please don't worry about it.
Xbox is more of a service than a video-game console lol who even uses that word. We're a service like Netflix or like Origin Access. So please don't worry about it.
Bernkastel
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I dont think anyone at Xbox team is interested to hire your average GAF poster as representative.
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bumleforce
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Panajev2001a
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I love how this is being branded a pro consumer move that arrogant Sony is trying to block
. You third party want to make cross generation games? Sure, welcome. Sony's first parties are still delivering tons of kick ass ambitious games even with a new generation console around the corner like they always do instead of having games draughts (you get many years of active strong support throughout the entire generation), the new console has BC so your software investment is preserved, and the remaining first parties studios prepare next generation launch window games to show to users and third party publishers the value in the new machine and help then gain a solid footing with new software that is free to focus its budget on a single well defined platform.
People that have to code and test and ensure all users have both a cutting edge experience as well as a solid one without bugs or glitches and have to support a good mix of OS and HW combinations (think Android development, but iOS too in its own way) do that because they have to not because it is better than developing for a single phone and a single OS spec.
Stilton Disco
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The only real goal is to make as much money as possible, and while Sony and Nintendo are making huge to record profits thanks to their massive audiences and must have exclusive games, Microsoft hide the Xbox numbers so deep amongst their other sales metrics that we have no idea wherher they're even actually making a profit or not
Bernkastel
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Yeah, and Sony is a charity organisation. Ironically, Nintendo also supported WiiU and 3DS for a few years after Switch release.
Its a Xbox One game ported to Xbox Series X, although you probably dont have the understanding comprehension for that.
Slings and Arrows
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You're deceiving by saying this.
PS4 had remastered PS3 games as their cross-gen exclusives and they ran better on the PS4 than they did the PS3. The PS4 had it's own exclusives, exclusive to PS4, whereas 3rd party games were cross-gen, like COD: Ghosts.
What Microsoft has indicated, is that there will be no exclusives for the XBSX and that all games will be cross-gen.
I keep hearing this word 'scalability' like you can just put a slider on a game and make things better or worse, which to an extent is true. However, you can't add textures, physics and particles that aren't there through a magic slider. I can't make a ps1 game have 4k textures that aren't there, or add physics and AI that isn't there.
People are very Naïve is they think a studio will put more resources in to a variant of a game, when that variant will be sold to lowest target audience.
I wonder how many generations of consoles people on this forum have gone through?
Hendrick's
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Why do we need to know? What's the benefit?
Vol5
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Sure, it's going to look comparable....A game conceived on a base system of 1.4TF system moving to a (possible) 12TF monster.....night and day.
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DynamiteCop!
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It may have started life that way publicly for what we know, but at this point I have no doubt for years its been a multiplatform minded development cycle which they're targeting Series X with and then porting to the One and One X.
indigoSociety
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This is one of those things that falls under the "why even say it" category. Just let it happen and have people recognize and endure it on their own lol ms shoots themselves in the foots with some of these statements and its a shame because i believe xbox one (besides the exclusives) was a better console than ps4 and xsx will probably be better than ps5 as well .
Vawn
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So every Xbox SeX game has to be able to run on the 1 teraflop Xbone. That is seriously limiting the possibilities of Xbox games.
MS seems mostly concerned with the mid-budget, average games to pad out GamePass anyway, so it might not matter that much anyway.
If you want the huge, big-budget AAA games, PC and PS5 will continue to be the best option.
MS seems mostly concerned with the mid-budget, average games to pad out GamePass anyway, so it might not matter that much anyway.
If you want the huge, big-budget AAA games, PC and PS5 will continue to be the best option.
this is just for the first year of the console... SDKs are even finalized yet.. there is still not a way of using the fully potential, like every gen.. it always takes time... this is nothing new.. this have been like that every gen.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
He said for the first year of Series X, atleast read what Matt Booty said before posting your agenda.
Matt Booty (Xbox): No next gen exclusives for the next two years
From MCVUK: “All of our games… will play up and down that family of devices” – Xbox’s Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it “As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices,” Booty explains...
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Bernkastel
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Never heard of cross-gen first party titles in your life ?
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DynamiteCop!
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Do you think most of these people actually bother to read or do any research on the subject of game development before replying to things like this?He said for the first year of Series X, atleast read what Matt Booty said before posting your agenda.
Matt Booty (Xbox): No next gen exclusives for the next two years
From MCVUK: “All of our games… will play up and down that family of devices” – Xbox’s Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it “As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices,” Booty explains...www.neogaf.com
FeiRR
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Calling people stupid instead of drawing arguments sure is easier but it can get you silenced by mods, remember that.
Of course you can make two completely different games and call them the same. But it's going to cost you almost double the money, do you realise that? So this rules out multiplatform publishers catering to the new hardware because the install base will be small at the beginning and without the incentive to upgrade, it may stay small after those initial cross-years. It's a vicious circle which Microsoft is encouraging with their approach. As an early adopter of the next generation, I want at least some benefits from spending a considerable amount of money on new hardware: better cross-gen performance AND new ways to play in 2-3 years. That's why Microsoft's strategy is bad for the whole industry. I'm sure it will also make EA happy with their every year sports rehashes but that's about it. Anyone willing to develop new IPs and explore new ideas won't support it. This way the new Xbox will be a pretty powerful device wasting electricity under the TV. Sounds to me a lot like PC with high-level API like DX a few years ago. What an irony, it was Microsoft who advertised going "to the metal" with the next iteration of DX. We know how it ended.
That Athlon you mention is still higher clock than Jaguars in this gen consoles which actually is quite important for AI simulations. But you don't know how that works, do you? You just know one example of a game you use for your arguments. Maybe it's time to google a bit about AI and how it can run on both CPU and GPU, also on dedicated chips which are becoming a thing now in mobiles. Also check other games which have extraordinary AI. I guarantee you'll be surprised what titles those are, also on consoles. Let me give you a hint: there's one game from Bungie which was always praised for it's enemy AI and for quite some time it was exclusive to one console.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
I've already spoken my piece but let me leave you with this, I can call you stupid while also leading an effectual argument.
I mean the fact that you're even comparing a single core Athlon 64 from 2004 to an 8 core tablet CPU from 2013 based upon frequency speaks volumes to your fundamental lack of valuable knowledge. What I've said stands resolute, it needs not further defense.
CameFromNearFuture
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So ALL that 12tf for nothing
DynamiteCop!
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Yep you nailed it, there won't be any dramatic and discernible differences whatsoever. A true visionary folks.
playtillyadrop
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i'll just leave this list:
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sixamp
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It makes NO sense for any company to single out their previous install base in the first yr or so. Every generation the first round of platform exclusive games are on the new and old gen machine. You can't expect to release a multimillion dollar game just to have it on a new ps5 or xbx with no install base.
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