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[JimmyRustler]

Sure, why not. As if this gens line up didn't convince gamers that they'll deliver good software.

 

[Kvally]

 

[Ellis]

It's power scaling bs that we usually see in anime all over again.

The original Xbox was powerful too, and that machine didn't really make a dent in PS2s success.

The OG Xbox was awesome though. I loved mine, but I was also lucky enough to have both.

 

[Sooner]

Well, yeah, because there is no Xbox. Just a PC that has nothing to do with Xbox outside of being named as such.

Xbox is pretty much already dead.

 

[StereoVsn]

They might be going for a high end. Didn't HeisenbergFX4 and K KeplerL2 mention Steam (and other storefronts) compatibility?

This might be a more powerful console vs what PS6 has and would be geared to power users.

"We have a system for our customers who can't afford Xbox Next. It's called Xbox Series S".

 

[viveks86]

If that's true, yikes. I thought this was speculated for holiday 2027.

See my conversation with Kepler on this topic a couple of months ago. It appears that the next xbox may have 6 months to a year's jump on PS6, as that's rumored for late 27/early 28. All speculation, of course.

Isn't UDNA scheduled for Q2 26? If they are targeting holiday season, it seems feasible…

Q4 2026

I see! So given the timing, the next Xbox console will not be on UDNA, then?

It is, XSX/XSS and Navi21 shipped in the same month.

 

[TheMule1983]

I need Colt, Jez, Parris, and Destin to tell me why this is good.

 

[jm89]

See my conversation with Kepler on this topic a couple of months ago. It appears that the next xbox may have 6 months to a year's jump on PS6, as that's rumored for late 27/early 28. All speculation, of course.

His recent comments implied 2027 is looking more likely for Xbox.

 

[reezoo]

MS can make it a remote PC to justify the price.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Will be also on different level in performance if leaks are true (68 vs ~40-48 cu) and will run all playstation games released on pc. Different approach, not sure can fight with decent pc with geforce but interesting route.

 

[Orbital2060]

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[reinking]

This isn't a closed system or a walled garden.

If closed ecosystem boxes are getting pricy, it has nothing to do with the next Xbox.

I will stand by my thoughts that the mass consumers will view it as a console if Microsoft calls it a console. Sales will be low but probably not that important to Microsoft.

 

[Fbh]

This only makes sense if the next Xbox is literally just an Xbox branded pre built PC.
Without a walled garden to subsidize the hardware, pricing is obviously going to increase.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Hey PlayStation dudes. Console wars are over. PS can claim the low-end traditional console market. MS will supply the high end / PC.

 

[viveks86]

His recent comments implied 2027 is looking more likely for Xbox.

Yeah I just found it. Still looks like early 2027. Things like target pricing though, are established well in advance, with may be + or - 10% to accommodate for unforeseen economic factors.

Hey PlayStation dudes. Console wars are over. PS can claim the low-end traditional console market. MS will supply the high end / PC.

The difference seems to be around 20-30%. Is that the gap between low-end to high-end? It's going to be similar to series X versus PS5 again, at least at the outset until OEMs swap much more powerful GPUs by leveraging the chiplet design. And that's assuming the launch succeeds

 

[Zacfoldor]

I don't believe these prices but I've always said it will be more expensive. The next xbox is going to be for whales and clout moreso than the selling of the xbox itself. I don't trust this rumor but it would be similar to a guess we've been making for a while.

 

[TheMan]

It's going to be a pc with a custom MS UI, that's it. There will likely be very little reason to get one over a generic gaming pc

 

[Ellis]

Well, yeah, because there is no Xbox. Just a PC that has nothing to do with Xbox outside of being named as such.

Xbox is pretty much already dead.

I can't see them making a dedicated console again. A PC sure, but that's a different beast entirely, and one I think will backfire massively. Most people in the scene source components and build their own. It's far more approachable and easier today than it used to be.

They've already shown that they can be a software/publishing giant. It's Microsoft's DNA.

From my simple consumer perspective, that seems to be the best route for what's left of Xbox. Full on software creation and publishing only mode. Do away with hardware. They're barely existing in the hardware space now, why drag it out and continue.

 

[saintjules]

I need Colt, Jez, Parris, and Destin to tell me why this is good.

Sure

 

[Bergoglio]

DOA

 

[Neo_game]

If rumors are correct then Xbox chip will definitely be considerably bigger, nearly 50% more CU than PS6 so it will be more expensive for sure. In a way it is a pro console already, they are not expecting much sales from it and want to make premium console where as Sony wants to sell at the same rate of PS5 if not better. SX I think has not even sold 25million units so far.

 

[nial]

Its really not. They may call it a console to avoid a lawsuit for BC stuff but its a PC. I dont care what any insider says. It will run Steam, GoG and Epic. It will be priced like a PC.

People will suddenly figure it out and have zero questions or concerns when Valve does the same thing. Fake outrage and liars. The people concerned aren't even interested in getting one of these, at all.

It's not a PC, you will not even be running PC software natively, but rather, through a virtual machine.
It's a console, priced like a pre-built PC because Microsoft somehow thinks that allowing third-party storefronts is a good idea.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's been rumoured to be over $1000 due to lack of subsidies for a while now.

 

[Punished Miku]

It's not a PC, you will not even be running PC software natively, but rather, through a virtual machine.
It's a console, priced like a pre-built PC because Microsoft somehow thinks that allowing third-party storefronts is a good idea.

Third party stores run PC games. It will run these. This semantic nonsense is pointless. At most its to enable BC without a lawsuit. It is a PC.

 

[nial]

Third party stores run PC games. It will run these. This semantic nonsense is pointless. At most its to enable BC without a lawsuit. It is a PC.

If Microsoft suddenly updated your Series X's firmware to allow third-party storefronts through PC software running on a VM, would your console also turn into a PC?

 

[Punished Miku]

If Microsoft suddenly updated your Series X's firmware to allow third-party storefronts through PC software running on a VM, would your console suddenly turn into a PC?

Of course. Its pretty much a PC already. The only thing "console" is even describing anymore is being a closed walled garden.

 

[nial]

Of course. Its pretty much a PC already. The only thing "console" is even describing anymore is being a closed walled garden.

What about the GDKX-developed Xbox games that devs would continue to launch on the console despite of such update taking place?

 

[bitbydeath]

If Microsoft suddenly updated your Series X's firmware to allow third-party storefronts through PC software running on a VM, would your console also turn into a PC?

Or is the PC native and the BC running through a VM due to the OS now running Windows?

 

[nial]

Or is the PC native and the BC running through a VM due to the OS now running Windows?

It's the other way around.

 

[Tobimacoss]

What about the GDKX-developed Xbox games that devs would continue to launch on the console despite of such update taking place?

They will still be doing that for Magnus. But that's the entire point of Convergence. These are all Windows technologies, MS is simply finally bringing them together in one family of devices.

Consoles are simply another form factor to Windows gaming. Desktops, Laptops, Consoles, Handhelds, Cloud, they're just like yin and yang.

Two sides of the same coin, all intertwined, yet can still offer slightly different experiences based on form factor.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's the other way around.

That goes against what MS said, but you could still be right as they aren't against lying.

 

[nial]

They will still be doing that for Magnus. But that's the entire point of Convergence. These are all Windows technologies, MS is simply finally bringing them together in one family of devices.

Consoles are simply another form factor to Windows gaming. Desktops, Laptops, Consoles, Handhelds, Cloud, they're just like yin and yang.

Two sides of the same coin, all intertwined, yet can still offer slightly different experiences based on form factor.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about, hence it still being a console.

 

[Ramiro_Rodriguez]

Does it really matter how much the next Xbox will cost, when no one wants to buy one, regardless of the price?
The time of microsoft/xbox exclusives is over and also the need of an xbox console to play gears, halo or forza.

 

[CLW]

 

[Kvally]

I need Colt, Jez, Parris, and Destin to tell me why this is good.

I suspect it will be just the opposite of why NIB, Zuby, DetectiveSeeds and RedDragon say it's bad!

Of course. Its pretty much a PC already. The only thing "console" is even describing anymore is being a closed walled garden.

^This is true. Our Xbox/PS's are just closed PCs.

 

[viveks86]

That goes against what MS said, but you could still be right as they aren't against lying.

MS only said "Windows". Not whether it is Windows desktop or not. Everything is windows based anyway (even Xbox OS), so Sarah Bond can get away with calling it anything. Truth is, we don't know and it can go both ways. One has the advantage of a closed environment where piracy control for console games is much easier and already pretty strong. The other would be no different than a desktop PC with a VM that is exposed to cloning, cracking and piracy. So which way would MS go? If they were smart, the former. If not, the latter.

 

[buenoblue]

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Why would they do that?

Because they know only morons will buy whatever they'll release next.

Might as well aim for the biggest idiots.

 

[Artistic]

Because they know only morons will buy whatever they'll release next.

Might as well aim for the biggest idiots.

They offer the best console experience out of the big 3 though.

 

[phant0m]

do it. build me a $799 monster box that never dips below 60 fps and you'll have a sale

 

[StereoVsn]

It's going to be a pc with a custom MS UI, that's it. There will likely be very little reason to get one over a generic gaming pc

It will be able to play BC games natively. Xbox PCs while having similar hardware won't have the licenses to do so.

 

[jm89]

Because they know only morons will buy whatever they'll release next.

Might as well aim for the biggest idiots.

String them along then wait for satya to do the rug pull.

 

[pqueue]

goddamn, the sony fanboys will jump at any unsubstantiated rumor and run with it as if it was truth.

 

[bitbydeath]

MS only said "Windows". Not whether it is Windows desktop or not. Everything is windows based anyway (even Xbox OS), so Sarah Bond can get away with calling it anything. Truth is, we don't know and it can go both ways. One has the advantage of a closed environment where piracy control for console games is much easier and already pretty strong. The other would be no different than a desktop PC with a VM that is exposed to cloning, cracking and piracy. So which way would MS go? If they were smart, the former. If not, the latter.

It comes down to the API at the end of the day, is it even possible to emulate a PC from a console API?

 

[bitbydeath]

do it. build me a $1799 monster box that never dips below 60 fps and you'll have a sale

FTFY, consoles aren't that cheap.

 

[omegasc]

some would say about ¼ of 2 next gen Xboxes

 

[mayham2199]

goddamn, the sony fanboys will jump at any unsubstantiated rumor and run with it as if it was truth.

Everyone does that. People were on here claiming fairgames was canceled because Patcher said it was true. Fucking Patcher the guy everyone in this industry thinks is a fool had damn near everyone on this board running with what he said as a fact.

 

[analog_future]

Sure

 

[Topher]

Our Xbox/PS's are just closed PCs.

"Closed" has always been what makes a console a console and not a PC.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Keplerl2 made no mention of how much it'll cost as far as I'm aware, based on die size alone it'll very likely be more than the PS6.

The article itself is from the Metro, a shitty tabloid newspaper looking for sensationalist headlines that shouldn't have demanded this much attention.