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[Great Hair]

Hopefully the 2 year break will allow them to show off stuff people will actually be playing within the year......and more diverse titles
No more of these...give me a socom/twisted metal....no more third person action adventure titles

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[Kagey K]

Versus the ExBox Template

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I have to admit the Xbox template looks way more varied and exciting,

That might have been a backfire on your part.

 

[The_Observer]

What the fuck? Why? This is bullshit.

 

[nikolino840]

Sony is so ahead of its time. They should also let their employees telecommuting if it is effective.

Anyways, E3 itself is archaic nowadays. You do not need it at all because gaming media likes pearls thrown in front of them. No matter what they will cover it. You just need to pace it right the way no over competitor intervenes. Just provide something (e.g. exclusive first party new IP) that will get gamers hot and bothered at each internet live broadcast , and they are yours.

Do not bother with non-exclusive stuff besides confirmation that it is coming to your platform as well.

Is not only What you Say...i think there's maybe problems with games marketing in future? Or maybe also with small devs that are waiting for a place at e3?

 

[JAMMA]

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[Xaero Gravity]

Unless we are living in some alternate reality, it was never revealed at E3, it was revealed at a event in New York in Feb 2013, as the link and facts indicate...

Sony announces the PlayStation 4, launching at the end of 2013

The Verge is about technology and how it makes us feel. Founded in 2011, we offer our audience everything from breaking news to reviews to award-winning features and investigations, on our site, in video, and in podcasts.

www.theverge.com

The physical hardware itself was revealed at E3, so I believe that's what they're referring to.

 

[sunnysideup]

e3 is great. It has been a tradition for years. Sad to see it go.

 

[Jigsaah]

?? Where is "there"? Some of the biggest announcements in gaming don't even happen "there" and simply happening online with a video, teaser, trailer etc during that time frame.

So...EA, Activision, Sony etc skip E3 in favor of just releasing trailers themselves online or having their own events on or around E3. What ESA are charging might be too ridiculars for those publishers when the publisher mentioned are the top publishers in the business. When you move 25 million units a year of a game or 100 million units a system a generation, it matters not the event you attend.


No one is buying a system based on that, show us a damn trailer, release date etc and fans will buy. So "E3" isn't really needed as much as folks might exaggerate. By that logic, Nintendo shouldn't be moving units, Sony shouldn't be moving units and Call Of Duty and Madden should have failed in sales....

Well I'm sorry your E3 experience is apparently shit. My E3 experience includes me a bunch of buddies from all over the damn country chillin both at my place and in a watch party online (Mixer and youtube usually) to react live and debate. Xbox players, PS4 players and PC mains all having a good time, enjoying the megatons should there be any.

I DON'T GIVE A FRACTION OF A FUCK how many plastic boxes a company has sold, when it comes down to it, be there for the spectacle. Give us a show with some real competition. Make it a damn event. I'm not tryna hear about Sony creating a got damn safe space for itself talkin about some damn "We don't believe E3 fits with the our plans for the future, myahhh" or whatever lame reason they came up with while thumbing they're collective nose in the air.

Where is the thirst for competition? The fighting spirit? The will to go toe to toe in a live format? I want the Sony we had at the announcement of PS2. I want the equivalent of a $299 mic drop moment. I want to see Kaz trolling the shit out of Microsoft, and damnit I want to see Microsoft return fire in quick succession.

Sure there's other shows and battles can happen at a distance as well. But this shit is like playing Mortal Kombat with guns only...it's just not as exciting. Sometimes, a mufucca needs to get uppercutted.

 

[MightySquirrel]

Shame, I liked past Sony E3 showings.

Let's hope they'll have something similar outside e3.

 

[imsosleepy]

they could have atleast gone to e3 and be on the floor and just not have a press conference if they dont have much to show since they are stil gonna release amazing games next year

Their whole talk of going to hunderds of events but not stand on the e3 floor is such bullshit

 

[Jigsaah]

The problem with this kind of thinking is that you and other xbox fanboys think that Playstation and Xbox are playing on the same level.

Spoilers alert: they are not and the sooner you understand that the sooner you can stop crying about them getting different treatment.

Da hell you mean "other xbox fanboys"...you got me all wrong buddy. I speak whatever I feel is true at the moment. If it favors Xbox then so be it, if it favors Sony than so be it. The only fanboy in this conversation is you. Don't categorize me based just one post. Its called projection. Take a moment and look inward and ask youself why you responded in the way you did.

Get back to me after you're done

 

[Mista]

e3 is great. It has been a tradition for years. Sad to see it go.

Thank Nintendo and Sony for that

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Thank Nintendo and Sony for that

No booth babes. Cancelling them was writing on the wall

 

[Ar¢tos]

Conclusion of the thread:
Anything Sony does i don't like = ARROGANT SONY
It's a living emotional company acting on hormonal imbalances, not a company with shareholders making businesses decisions, obviously.

I hope they skip Smellycom Gamescom too, it's time for new venues get attention.

It's not like gamers won't know price/dates/specs because of Sony skipping E3, internet will take care of spreading the info.

 

[Mista]

No booth babes. Cancelling them was writing on the wall

It's really sad to see E3 dying. It's the best part of the year

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Say what you will about E3, but every year the wife and I will always sit down with a pizza late and watch it live. It’s one of our yearly traditions, and we LOVE the cringe.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

It's really sad to see E3 dying. It's the best part of the year

Maybe it's more to do with leakers than anything else?

At a controlled event they can hide info pretty well, at E3 it's leakers paradise.

 

[Virex]

This is going to work in Microsoft's favour. Going to be a great E3 for Microsoft if they show games and not larp about GamePass every 2 seconds

 

[Mista]

Maybe it's more to do with leakers than anything else?

At a controlled event they can hide info pretty well, at E3 it's leakers paradise.

They can still exist in any event since they get their info from someone inside

Say what you will about E3, but every year the wife and I will always sit down with a pizza late and watch it live. It’s one of our yearly traditions, and we LOVE the cringe.

Preach. We're here for the cringe too baby!

 

[Slings and Arrows]

They can still exist in any event since they get their info from someone inside

Less chance though. If all of the big software houses are there, with games to discuss in and around a console reveal, that's more eyes on.

Where as one dedicated team can reduce what information is spread and to whom.

I don't know, maybe the leakers are part of the reason, maybe not?

 

[Mista]

Less chance though. If all of the big software houses are there, with games to discuss in and around a console reveal, that's more eyes on.

Where as one dedicated team can reduce what information is spread and to whom.

I don't know, maybe the leakers are part of the reason, maybe not?

I am sure that they're among consideration

 

[mitchman]

E3 is a small gaming event compared to gamescon and many other events, so I understand they want to focus on the larger events instead.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The original purpose of E3, an industry trade show, was lost a very long time ago. Maybe it's time for E3 to die for the last time. It already almost died when they tried to remove the convention aspect a number of years back.

 

[Deleted member 774430]

E3 is a small gaming event compared to gamescon and many other events, so I understand they want to focus on the larger events instead.

In terms of attendance yes, in terms of attention, coverage, it is still the biggest week of the year in gaming and it was even last year without Sony.

So yes this news sucks for E3, but the event is not going away.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

E3’s effectively dead. Aside from the 30 minutes dedicated to the Nintendo Direct no one is gonna watch any of it. Sony is the lifeblood of the industry and the reason why people tuned in to E3.

Stop that nonsense.

 

[Whitecrow]

I do think it's indeed kind of arrogant.

They think they became so big in the industry, or so ahead of their competitors that even the E3 is so 'small' that they dont fit anymore. But whatever.
Sony should keep it cool and still attend like always and kill us with hype.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

VGA has a few industry experts that attend the show but 45 Million people streamed it. It's not about how many people at the event itself but about how many people you are able to reach through it. Otherwise MS wouldn't have revealed the XSX overthere and that's why they are attending E3.

 

[majestix1988]

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This is view of current ESA for e3-2020 mostly this "vision" that talking about Sony.....mostly aim for more business lookalike show than industry trade show adding the other things not really not part of being E3( the show is all about games,sneak previews and gameplay) but now it's becoming more business than aiming for gamers even ESA are mostly are now predators for money than being a pro-gamer association

Adding the bad current reputation of ESA on gamers for being unbiased or lackluster regarding mtx and corruption

 

[JokerMM]

on one hand, SONY at E3 2015 is still one of the hypest shit ever, seeing TLG,FFVIIR, and shenmue 3 in one stage was what dreams were made of

on the other hand, literally every sony conference after that was pure horseshit, for me personally i couldn't give a single fuck about sony since MS is going hard on support for PC and that's my main platform plus i already own a Switch so i have no time to play sony movies anymore

 

[Stilton Disco]

Damned shame, but it's not like I can't see why they'd skip it.

With the way social media works and how quickly information is disseminated these days, having one big event that reveals dozens of titles at once no longer has the inpact or time to be fully absorbed anymore.

Even for Indies, while getting a bigger stage is great, theres so many games announced at once that most simply end up in a sizzle reel or lost amongst the scramble.

I think Nintendo were just ahead of the curve with Directs, and we'll see Sony take a similar approach this gen.

Sad for E3, but then again it's not been worth tuning into for years now anyway.

 

[EDMIX]

I do think it's indeed kind of arrogant.

They think they became so big in the industry, or so ahead of their competitors that even the E3 is so 'small' that they dont fit anymore. But whatever.
Sony should keep it cool and still attend like always and kill us with hype.

Yet...that isn't just Sony, that is EA, that is Activision, Rockstar and many more. The reality is, you can just release a trailer on Youtube and get millions of views completely for free and take over a news cycle vs spend more money to be drowned out by hundreds of other games being announced the very same day.

Stuff like social media is why you see such trade shows become more of a waste and costly and irrelevant. A free youtube video can get buzz and millions of views all while they have days or even weeks to themselves to have focus ONLY on them. So those who are not going to that event also move the most units, sell the most games per year soooooo sounds to me like they are clearly big enough in the industry to do that.

If E3 is so important, can you care to explain how on earth Red Dead 2 survived not being announced there? How about the last few years of Call Of Duties? So the event isn't so damn relevant that it can make or break any game.

No one is NOT buying a game based on showing up at E3 or not bud.

 

[nikolino840]

Years ago wasn't closed to the public?

 

[EDMIX]

I think Nintendo were just ahead of the curve with Directs, and we'll see Sony take a similar approach this gen.

Agreed.

It allows developers to get a media cycle to themselves. So Capcom is more likely ok with Resident Evil 3 remake on a State Of Play, then announcing it early in June, JUST get on a E3 slot packed with tons of other games. I means Capcom gets to announce RE3 remake when they are actually ready for a reveal and they also get all the media ONLY talking about them for a few days as the majority of the news coverage.

 

[Psykodad]

I would say arrogance looking at the leadership of the company, but I'd get quoted till next year with the defense team.

"E3 organiser the ESA has struggled to satisfy all of its members who have been split over what they want the show to be. Some publishers such as EA and Sony want to see E3 become a fan celebration of games, whereas others would rather the event remained an industry-focused affair.



The ESA has tried to satisfy both groups by introducing some consumer elements to E3, but with limited success."

 

[SuperLupeRap]

But E3 is dying! /s

Thanks, people are talking E3 is dead because nobody attends.. It's obviously not as big as it used to be because of the internet but it'

Yet...that isn't just Sony, that is EA, that is Activision, Rockstar and many more. The reality is, you can just release a trailer on Youtube and get millions of views completely for free and take over a news cycle vs spend more money to be drowned out by hundreds of other games being announced the very same day.

Stuff like social media is why you see such trade shows become more of a waste and costly and irrelevant. A free youtube video can get buzz and millions of views all while they have days or even weeks to themselves to have focus ONLY on them. So those who are not going to that event also move the most units, sell the most games per year soooooo sounds to me like they are clearly big enough in the industry to do that.

If E3 is so important, can you care to explain how on earth Red Dead 2 survived not being announced there? How about the last few years of Call Of Duties? So the event isn't so damn relevant that it can make or break any game.

No one is NOT buying a game based on showing up at E3 or not bud.

What are the negatives of Sony attending E3 in a year where they're releasing new hardware?

MS and Nintendo both do E3 + smaller events + their own events. I don't see how Sony's strategy can possibly be better than Nin and MS. But I'm open to hearing your opinion. If they are doing this for financial reasons then there's something wrong at Sony right now.

 

[Agnostic2020]

But E3 is dying! /s

Lol that is a sign that it is indeed irrelevant. One xsx YouTube video got 9 million views . Ps4 video got 50 million views . 1.6 million is definitely irrelevant compared to the other metrics. Sony got 6 million likes from a simple logo post . One million view with $100 millions spent on e3 is indeed abysmal

 

[DynamiteCop!]

VGA has a few industry experts that attend the show but 45 Million people streamed it. It's not about how many people at the event itself but about how many people you are able to reach through it. Otherwise MS wouldn't have revealed the XSX overthere and that's why they are attending E3.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this. Also event attendance really has absolutely nothing to do with public reach. I don't attend but I watch E3 every year, the other events like TGS and Gamescom not so much and I'm sure this applies to A LOT of people.

 

[CyberPanda]

Thanks, people are talking E3 is dead because nobody attends.. It's obviously not as big as it used to be because of the internet but it'


What are the negatives of Sony attending E3 in a year where they're releasing new hardware?

MS and Nintendo both do E3 + smaller events + their own events. I don't see how Sony's strategy can possibly be better than Nin and MS. But I'm open to hearing your opinion. If they are doing this for financial reasons then there's something wrong at Sony right now.

I’m sure it’s due to financial reasons or they possibly think their own event will be good enough. I guess we will find out.

 

[TheStruggler]

I'm curious if folks would have said E3 is dead, if were Microsoft that skipped out for 2 years. Somehow, incredible alternative universe it would be coined as Microsoft getting out of video game business or they are scared of Sony.

Oh wait, they say that now too. My bad.

Because this entire gen MS hasn't shown up period or been competitive with no bangers. Sony can do as they please because they built up the clout for two whole generations while MS slept the entire time. Sony is the A team, who do you think the B team is?

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Conclusion of the thread:
Anything Sony does = i like

Fixed, and you know it's true. :/

 

[SuperLupeRap]

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this. Also event attendance really has absolutely nothing to do with public reach. I don't attend but I watch E3 every year, the other events like TGS and Gamescom not so much and I'm sure this applies to A LOT of people.

Same here, I live in Europe and have never attended E3 but I've watched every show like it was the world cup final.

 

[EDMIX]

Thanks, people are talking E3 is dead because nobody attends.. It's obviously not as big as it used to be because of the internet but it'


What are the negatives of Sony attending E3 in a year where they're releasing new hardware?

MS and Nintendo both do E3 + smaller events + their own events. I don't see how Sony's strategy can possibly be better than Nin and MS. But I'm open to hearing your opinion. If they are doing this for financial reasons then there's something wrong at Sony right now.

What ESA is charging for the event might be too costly in the age of Youtube and Twitch. They'll likely just do their own event as that is what EA and Activision do and Rockstar doesn't even go to those to show off reveal trailers and they move record units.

The cost of the event just might not translate to some win or fail to them in the age of Youtube and Twitch. I don't think anything is wrong about them wanting to save money. Why should they waste it if most of us will just be watching it on Youtube or Twitch anyway? Could they not simply have all the EXACT trailers they'd show released online instead of spending such a money on a event?

How is them spending more money on such a thing helping if the result isn't really any different? So if they want to save money, I could care less. The event doesn't make the game, anything they are working on will get announced how they feel just and the end result will still be a Youtube video... I see no reason to spend MORE MONEY cause ESA says so lol Sony is seeing what Nintendo, EA, Acivision and Rockstar saw with this BS and they are just going straight to the source.

Agnostic2020 If that is really the cost, I'm glad they are no longer going. I'd rather see that money spent on a studio or AAA game etc

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Same here, I live in Europe and have never attended E3 but I've watched every show like it was the world cup final.

Exactly.

 

[TheStruggler]

Hopefully the 2 year break will allow them to show off stuff people will actually be playing within the year......and more diverse titles
No more of these...give me a socom/twisted metal....no more third person action adventure titles

Why would they change a formula that works for them? It's their bread and butter. Even with those shots there has been multiple diverse titles this gen like: last guardian, dreams, astro bot, concrete genie, Yakuza etc.
What bangers has xbox had since Halo 3..... ill wait

 

[SuperLupeRap]

I’m sure it’s due to financial reasons or they possibly think their own event will be good enough. I guess we will find out.

Hey looks like I responded to the wrong post. And I meant to say Sony's strategy can't possibly be better than MS and Ninty. And if it's due to financial reasons then just LOL.

 

[EDMIX]

Why would they change a formula that works for them? It's their bread and butter. Even with those shots there has been multiple diverse titles this gen like: last guardian, dreams, astro bot, concrete genie, Yakuza etc.
What bangers has xbox had since Halo 3..... ill wait

Agreed.

I don't know why anyone thinks seeing someone's back is a "genre"...

Thats like saying if you see something in the first perspective its all 1 genre and trying to argue Bioshock is the same as Call Of Duty is the same as Elder Scrolls and is the same as Minecraft....

So I don't think this person actually knows what a genre actually is. Thats like trying to argue they all must be the same thing since they are all on earth or something lol

 

[SuperLupeRap]

What ESA is charging for the event might be too costly in the age of Youtube and Twitch. They'll likely just do their own event as that is what EA and Activision do and Rockstar doesn't even go to those to show off reveal trailers and they move record units.

The cost of the event just might not translate to some win or fail to them in the age of Youtube and Twitch. I don't think anything is wrong about them wanting to save money. Why should they waste it if most of us will just be watching it on Youtube or Twitch anyway? Could they not simply have all the EXACT trailers they'd show released online instead of spending such a money on a event?

How is them spending more money on such a thing helping if the result isn't really any different? So if they want to save money, I could care less. The event doesn't make the game, anything they are working on will get announced how they feel just and the end result will still be a Youtube video... I see no reason to spend MORE MONEY cause ESA says so lol Sony is seeing what Nintendo, EA, Acivision and Rockstar saw with this BS and they are just going straight to the source.

Nintendo are doing it smarter than Sony. They still have a presence there because they know that E3 has more reach than any other show.

As for all the other multiplat publishers you mentioned, it's just not the same thing because they aren't pushing a platform/ecosystem like Sony, MS and Nin do. They are carried by those platforms, totally different dynamic. Have you ever seen a MS exclusive at a Bethesda show? Or a Nintendo exclusive at a EA show? No but of course 3rd parties show up at the 3 console makers shows all the time.

Let's see how this pans out for Sony but I can't help but have the feeling something just doesn't feel right since 2019 at Sony. Maybe it's the total shift in their communication style I don't know.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Thanks, people are talking E3 is dead because nobody attends.. It's obviously not as big as it used to be because of the internet but it'


What are the negatives of Sony attending E3 in a year where they're releasing new hardware?

MS and Nintendo both do E3 + smaller events + their own events. I don't see how Sony's strategy can possibly be better than Nin and MS. But I'm open to hearing your opinion. If they are doing this for financial reasons then there's something wrong at Sony right now.

Everything you show at E3 has to share the "internet" with everything else everybody shows, meaning you get less "views"/"viewer time" online. Showing alone outside one of these events, when there is nothing else going on, you get everybody's full attention.
Internet >>>>>>>> E3 (or any other single event).
A single Wire article basically proved this.

 

[JaffeLion]

Hopefully the 2 year break will allow them to show off stuff people will actually be playing within the year......and more diverse titles
No more of these...give me a socom/twisted metal....no more third person action adventure titles

wait... are these "different" Games?

 

[scalman]

After last years e3 i dont see for them to need to be there. They will show trailers in other shows. In more places around world not just in one place. Thats kinda better to see them for real. For me they should just show new trailers of something when they ready