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sircaw
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This is the discussion i remember having with
Nikana
.the amount of fud that comes out from twitter, youtube, wherever, always seems to have an overabundance of these influencers/scum bags.
A couple people on the neo gaf forum spreading some fud vs influencers that affect millions.
Look at that woman with 7 boxes in here cupboard lol. sigh
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Don't forget the Mindcraft Backgrounds.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
How are we in semantics? You don't want to seem to answer any questions.
DF is tech analysis channel. What did you expect from them? They analyze the tech and concluded it's bad.
What's the difference between an unimaginative and bad texture?
Neo Blaster
Member
Let's say current gen games are using a version of zlib compression algorithm that's different from the fixed function hardware one in PS5 decompression block, so this task must be done by the CPU. Would steps 2-5 still be used or there must be some tinkering on game's code for that to happen?
LivingD3AD
Member
Neo Blaster
Member
Cold storage only be it, unless for already fast loading indie games.
geordiemp
Member
But wait.... What if 10.3tfs on PS5 architecture is equivalent to 13.3tfs on XSX architecture... Hence the PS5 13.3tfs rumour.
TF is a TF, it is not a SOLE metric of performance as the architecture and efficiency for gaming play a large part.
Hence why a 9.5 TF 5700 smokes a 12.5 TF VEGA, there is no contest.
Here we have Ps5 with 20 % higher clocks, XSX with 20 % more TF but slower clocks, both have 4 shader arrays so on silicon XSX is not really any wider on chip.
Ps5 and XSX are not the same architecture at all, they just share common building blocks (RDNA2)
IF XSX had 5 or 6 shader arrays, would of been an easier call. We also dont have detailed cache info.
So how will they perform ? Wait and see. What have you seen so far which makes you wonder...?
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yewles1
Member
Such beer batter...
jose4gg
Member
Yea, There have been two issues with me and DF, the fact that they didn't commit the same level of effort to judge MS presentation they way they judged the Sony presentation and all the raytracing thing.
I don't care they used 800% to show us the reflections in GT7 where 1080, that's great that good analysis, but the fact that, they haven't used that in any other game next-gen in the MS side, it's really disappointing and send a weird message to me.
The second thing, and most IMPORTANT, they always talk they want these new consoles to have some kind of DLSS, there have been two games they recognize they haven't been able to count the pixels like they used to, the UE5 demo and this Demons Souls demo.
WTF, is Sony doing for their reconstruction to 4K that they aren't able to count the pixels, SHOW US, or TELL US, "because, it's hard, but it is 1440p" is not the type of conclusion you expect from DF, bring the magnifier again, 800%, 1600%, do it like you want to do it, but tell us, How sony is trying to fool us, if you really want "next-gen" to have this kind of feature, WTF you aren't talking about how sony is doing to reconstruct their images...
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ethomaz
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DrDamn
Member
Agree, and it works both ways. We are all wanting to see and know everything, but there is a schedule of information each is following prior to release. That said given how far we are from release I'd really like to see a) an XSX optimised game of any variety which shows off the machine b) the PS5 UI and features that provides.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
You mean when they analyzed CoD: Ghosts and said it was very clear that the PS4 had a much higher resolution, but then it appeared they didn't install the patch yet which meant the Xbox One and PS4 versions were running at the same resolution? Back then it actually looked as if they had a PS bias.
ethomaz
Banned
Game after July 8 are required to have been tested by developers themselves to run in PS5 BC boost mode.
It needs to be tested for PS5 BC boost mode.
PS4 BC and PS4 Pro BC works without any test.
Games before July 8 are being tested by Sony.
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IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
I have made a post yesterday showing hard actual facts that make their bias undeniable.
Have You guys ever seen any DF video about the fact that we Just didnt see any game running on XsX?
Have You ever seen them making a video showing How concerned they are with the fact of XSX getting RT through patchs (an indication that there might be some trouble with XSX development)?
We didint see any, and these are about concrete facts, no FUDs. Interestingly, they have always been Very Quick to make negative vídeos about PS5 based on fucking FUDs created by Xbox extremists.
Theres another Very interesting tendence concernning ps5 games on DF First analysis, and it is this: whenever a PS5 game hás a solid performance, they suddenly become sooo skepticals about the presence of RT. And when the Holy Trinity is undeniable present like in GT7, suddenly here comes the 800% attempt to downplay it.
They are so skeptical to believe in any RT on SpiderMan puddles or on Demons Souls. 800% zoom in for the obivious RT on GT7 only to say its not at the highest res. But even tho Craig looks terrible in every single aspect, its Just a matter of lighting and no zoom at all...
Hard not to think there could be some bias...
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
You are joking, right? Maybe just check the website of Eurogamer. On the front-page, editor's pick.
Microsoft still hasn't made the case for Xbox Series X
Yesterday's Xbox showcase failed as a pitch to buy a new games console - but perhaps Microsoft is playing a different game altogether.
www.eurogamer.net
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
You are joking, right? Maybe just check the website of Eurogamer. On the front-page, editor's pick.
Microsoft still hasn't made the case for Xbox Series X
Yesterday's Xbox showcase failed as a pitch to buy a new games console - but perhaps Microsoft is playing a different game altogether.
I want a vídeo.
This is worth material for a vídeo.
You have It one or two for different baseless anti-Sony FUDs, and they were strangely Quick to upload those
MastaKiiLA
Member
I subbed KingThrash a few months back, because I find him hilarious. He's like one of my boys in college, just talking mad shit about whatever comes to mind. He makes good points, but I think some of it is tongue-in-cheek, meant for entertainment value as well. I don't take it too seriously, and just enjoy the very familiar commentary. I'm sure I'll enjoy listening to him go in on DF, eventhough I still subscribe to their channel. There are some inconsistencies with the way DF does their analysis, that I think has opened them up to fair criticism. For a site that makes the effort to analyze visuals as methodically as they sometimes do, they have failed themselves and their viewers by not establishing standards for their videos. A routine, if you will, that they run through in all videos, and a standard format that would establish consistency between different games on different platforms. It's the ala carte approach to making each video that gives the appearance of bias.
This is why Anandtech and Toms Hardware (and other review sites) went to standardized benchmarks very early on. It gave you consistent metrics to compare the different pieces of hardware. DF has been around long enough that they should have been familiar with this concept, but they just don't do it. Getting access and goodies from companies you're covering also doesn't help, and it's not necessarily something they disclaim in their videos either.
jose4gg
Member
You are joking, right? Maybe just check the website of Eurogamer. On the front-page, editor's pick.
Microsoft still hasn't made the case for Xbox Series X
Yesterday's Xbox showcase failed as a pitch to buy a new games console - but perhaps Microsoft is playing a different game altogether.
That's not DF...
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
This is the discussion i remember having with
the amount of fud that comes out from twitter, youtube, wherever, always seems to have an overabundance of these influencers/scum bags.
A couple people on the neo gaf forum spreading some fud vs influencers that affect millions.
Look at that woman with 7 boxes in here cupboard lol. sigh
I am not sure why people keep posting stuff on this thread from them. We know they are not in the realm of reality.
Evilms
Banned
Thank god they're more alone like in the PS360 era, now there's NX Gamer, VG Tech, ElAnalistaDeBits ... and it's better that way.
smallpotatosan
Member
Btw, server class usually means shitty singer user performance. He has no clue what he is talking about
oh maybe he knows
Loxus
Member
I thought about this many times.But wait.... What if 10.3tfs on PS5 architecture is equivalent to 13.3tfs on XSX architecture... Hence the PS5 13.3tfs rumour.
I even remember it from Tommy Fisher.
But I didn't know console wars was this bad, so it best to leave it in the past.
xHunter
Member
Huh? I just checked their article with the patch and it was still 1080p vs 720p or did i find a different one? Can you link it?
Next-Gen Face-Off: Call of Duty: Ghosts
Xbox One vs. PlayStation 4 vs. PC in Digital Foundry's first full-blooded next-gen console comparison.
www.eurogamer.net
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Wandering Leopard
Member
I'm genuinely curious, what did Digital Foundry "lie" about?
I understand they weren't as critical of Halo Infinite as they could have been, but they are also not in a position to burn bridges with developers - they are not in the same position as an NXgamer or Cherno.
In my view, DF are just "playing the game" so they can continue to visit studios, get interviews etc...
I understand they weren't as critical of Halo Infinite as they could have been, but they are also not in a position to burn bridges with developers - they are not in the same position as an NXgamer or Cherno.
In my view, DF are just "playing the game" so they can continue to visit studios, get interviews etc...
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
DF is part of Eurogamer though... Don't you think that if the editors of Eurogamer saw an issue with DF bias that they would call them out (internally)?
Nope, because it was updated back then. Maybe someone else here remembers this too and can back me up.
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Its the same architecture.
Just like 5700 XT is the same architecture as 5500 XT.
5700 XT is 40 CUs and 9,7TF.
5500 XT is 24 CUs and 5,4TF.
That is
What you are also forgetting is the variable frequency on the PS5.
"Here we have Ps5 with 20 % higher clocks, XSX with 20 % more TF" becomes "Here we have Ps5 with up to 20 % higher clocks, XSX with at least 20 % more TF".
Killer Sakoman
Member
Wait.... Is he the guy who analyze the motha fuckin game and the motha fuckin resolution with the motha fucking nigga?
xHunter
Member
Oh yeah, my bad, i misread your post. I thought you said they forgot the xbox patch that made it 1080p. I also vaguely remember that there was something off with the first article.
sircaw
Banned
Well, it does affect what goes on here, even if we don't see the direct quote, millions of gamers are seeing this kind of shit from dealer, eastwood, timdog etc them come on to forums like this and spread their bullshit.
In some ways, it's good to see where this rubbish is coming from that why we can combat it early.
and while we wait for Sony news its something to keep the troops entertained.
My good looks and technical brilliance only go so far.
shut it
geordiemp
, i know what your thinking
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Editors calling out bias? especially in the context of technical discussions which they most likely have no clue on?
Yeah okay lmao
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MastaKiiLA
Member
Yup. He's got commentary lifted straight off a game of spades, or the kind of fire my boy spits while rolling a blunt. It's the rolling phase commentary, not the just sparked one commentary, because he's still in the "spitting facts" part of his rant. A few puffs in, and it loses some of the edge. LOL.Wait.... Is he the guy who analyze the motha fuckin game and the motha fuckin resolution with the motha fucking nigga?
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Well, it does affect what goes on here, even if we don't see the direct quote, millions of gamers are seeing this kind of shit from dealer, eastwood, timdog etc them come on to forums like this and spread their bullshit.
In some ways, it's good to see where this rubbish is coming from that why we can combat it early.
and while we wait for Sony news its something to keep the troops entertained.
My good looks and technical brilliance only go so far.
The people that watch that content are not going to have their minds changed. It doesn't do anything but start more pointless bickering on these forums imo.
jose4gg
Member
MS hasn’t have any special treatment with any member of Eurogamer outside of DF. If we are talking about bias, because there is a connection between MS and DF, (which I don’t believe is money) just been able to do everything they do with MS, then yea, Eurogamer is not DF, because MS doesn’t do the same thing for Eurogamer.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Beautiful laundry list of items contrasted by a “well, see in this single instance they did not try to make complete fools of themselves and even admitted the Xbox One’s version was not running at exactly the same resolution”. It explains a lot when this is seeing as “DF destroying Xbox, dishing out harsh criticism”... as if... I kind of understand how some feel victim to SonyGAF in that sense.
F.U.D., concern, hyper critical, and cynical attitude on one side (by Leadbetter and Battaglia) and at worst some minor criticism while pointing out how the sky is still blue and hope springs eternal for the other...
Sure, totally balanced.
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mitchman
Gold Member
Their Nvidia sponsored exclusive was very "special" too.
thebigmanjosh
Member
Yes, and I’m not technical enough to know the nuances of how this works, but it’s why you saw Nvidia cards outperform AMD cards with less Tflops because they were more efficient (among other things).
We’re not going to get see what this gen really has to offer until a few years down the road when devs update their engines to support all of the new features of these GPUs. While it sucks many First party games are cross gen, it’s both expensive and makes more sense to port to current gen considering the engines aren’t fully utilizing the new hardware anyway.
sircaw
Banned
I don't think that is correct at all but each to their own.
sircaw
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Insane Metal
Member
Fuck me, that looks amazing.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
DF was super critical of Halo Infinite. Watch their live reactions. they trashed it completely. John went on a big rant about cross gen games. Richard literally cringed through the demo. Even Alex was like i cant defend this shit.
While I agree that the video Alex made about ray tracing fixing the look of the game wasnt as harsh as it couldve been, the premise of the video itself is harsh. your game looks like shit, here is what you can do to not make it look like shit is not something anyone wants to hear from a channel like Digital Foundry.
People really need to get out their bubble. Richard might have a soft spot for MS, but it hasnt clouded his coverage of Microsoft because he has trashed them at every turn. Watch the xbox one reveal and the series x june reveal reactions. they mock xbox through out those videos.
Sethbacca
Member
That DF video is interesting and the tech is cool and all, but I still can't get over that a console launch is completely revolving around older games and no exclusives (I guess Yakuza is it). The most ridiculous shit i've seen in all my years, and I was there for the N64 launch when all we got was Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64 and that was it for like MONTHS.
user1337
Member
Yea, wasn't 100% sure, just knew it was well early in the year.
mejin
Member
geordiemp
Member
No its not the same architecture arrangement, same blocks maybe, RDNA2 has shader arrays of 10 CU from PC leaks, so does RDNA1.
Ps5 uses 10 CU in SA, 4 shader arrays as expected
XSX uses 14 CU in SA, 4 shader arrays....
Spot the difference. If you think thats the same, and differnces in GE and other stuff, then there is no helping you.
If XSX had 5 or 6 shader arrayes of 10 CU, then yes I would agree, but its odd arangement to match the 4 instances for server and so all bets are off. See how it runs first eh ?
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jose4gg
Member
I know they judged Halo, ¿who did not?
BUT
- Where is the resolution, of which we know is not 4K.
- Where is the framerate test
- Where is the call to animations been broken
- Where is the 800% zoom
- Where is the part where they say they are using the same foliage in the whole level
The fanboys (on both sides ) don't listen to what they say in their podcast, the fanboys just listen to the numbers in their analysis and run by that, with a picture if a picture is available.
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