NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
I agree on that but that would mean the end of Russia because that would be them attacking a NATO country and if that happens china would de not support Russia after that.
Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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Boss Mog
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The US was energy independent under Trump, even had a surplus. Biden put an end to it on day one, killing the keystone pipeline, while at the same time lifting sanctions on Russia's nord stream 2 pipeline. Construction on nord stream 2 started up again (after Trump had made them stop) 4 days after Biden took office.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Does anyone know how Putin is generally received in Russia by its citizens? I've heard he was popular, but I'm not sure any polling can even be trusted coming from that country for obvious reasons.
M1chl
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He is mostly popular with tankies and other people who dread the collapse in USSR, young people are mostly opposed of him. His election are obviously rigged.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Russia is made up of oligarchs.
FunkMiller
Banned
Can any of you fuckers read? Keep the politics out. This thread will get shut down otherwise, and some of us would just like to talk about what's happening to the poor Ukrainians, rather than continue to watch you yanks bitch and moan about which fucking American president did what.
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RoadHazard
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Yeah... But how do you end Russia without ending the entire world? Putin has nukes and is absolutely unhinged.
Sega Orphan
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This is so sad to see.
Russia had legit concerns about the encroachment of NATO towards their borders, and they had a right to want to reduce that threat, but invading Ukraine has done nothing but made Russia the bad guys. I didn't think he would do it, I thought maybe he would go into Donbass and bring it in to Russia, and maybe destroy the dams that Ukraine built to stop water flowing into Crimea, but he woke up and chose violence.
This could have been avoided at time frames well before this happened, and as usual it's the civilians that will pay the price for politicians who think they are playing an RTS game.
Russia had legit concerns about the encroachment of NATO towards their borders, and they had a right to want to reduce that threat, but invading Ukraine has done nothing but made Russia the bad guys. I didn't think he would do it, I thought maybe he would go into Donbass and bring it in to Russia, and maybe destroy the dams that Ukraine built to stop water flowing into Crimea, but he woke up and chose violence.
This could have been avoided at time frames well before this happened, and as usual it's the civilians that will pay the price for politicians who think they are playing an RTS game.
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Hope someone close to him shoots him in the back of the head
Boss Mog
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There's no politics in what I said, I'm just stating facts relative to somebody's response to me. Just because the words Trump and Biden are used doesn't mean it's "political". Did I advocate for any of them, did i call any of them names? No, I just stated facts that are relevant to the current situation in Ukraine. And I'd prefer it if you didn't call me fucker thanks.
poppabk
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Whats that got to do with anything?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I for one (well, my country) haven't been at war with anyone since the early 1800s. Europe as a whole, and large parts of the world overall, have been generally peaceful for a long time. Unfortunately it only takes one powerful madman to ruin it for everyone.
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Wheeljack539
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Interesting video on residential area attack.
Anyone know if it was reported that the Russians were only using Sukhois or what other air assets were being used?
Anyone know if it was reported that the Russians were only using Sukhois or what other air assets were being used?
NeverYouMind
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The Ukrainian civil war will be over by week's end. This decisiveness is what actually happens when Russia decides to take a territory. It was only a matter of time before Russia reclaimed the origins of its empire. Fewer lives would have been lost had it happened in the orchestrated chaos of 2014.
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Wheeljack539
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I think he's referring to what was being said that the recent situation in Ukraine is why gas and inflation has been going up in the US despite that these have been going on for a year now.
Gp1
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Mover (CW Lemoine, ex F-16/F-18/T-38 driver) called that video probably bogus. The flight pattern is inconsistent with rocket employment or something like this.
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Taxexemption
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You have to wonder what Putin knows. Why now? Regardless of what happens at this point this will be one of those moments for the history books.
If the US doesn't interfere, did Putin know in advance they would not? How? Or was this a gamble? Putin doesn't strike me as a gambler.
If the US doesn't interfere, did Putin know in advance they would not? How? Or was this a gamble? Putin doesn't strike me as a gambler.
Boss Mog
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You're the one who brought up US energy dependence, you tell me. When Trump made the statement about Germany that you commented about, the US was energy independent. As for nord stream 2 it's extremely relevant to the current situation in Ukraine because before nord stream 2 the main pipeline from Russia to Germany went through Ukraine and so that ensured that Putin wouldn't nvade otherwise Ukraine could just shutdown the pipeline but nord stream 2 bypasses Ukraine so Putin doesn't care about the old one now and is free to invade Ukraine.
Spaceman292
Banned
Everyone likes itI imagined your smiling avatar saying that to me.
I didn't like it.
FunkMiller
Banned
Bull. You're still whining about US politics in a thread that shouldn't have it. Claiming Trump good, Biden bad.
Trump and Biden are equally fucking to blame for this shit. As are all of you constantly litigating your corrupt and broken political system for one side or the other.
Politics was banned from here because of the endless whining about who is worse… but they're both terrible. That's why Putin's done what he has.
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strange headache
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Nobody will risk a direct military confrontation in Ukraine right now. For obvious reasons:
1) Escalating the conflict would cost even more Ukrainian civilian lives
2) At the moment, a direct military confrontation between NATO and Russia would be way more devastating than what is happening right now
The situation is way too heated at the moment. This is not the time for militaristic chest-thumping and it wouldn't help the Ukrainians either.
Jsisto
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Can we stop referring to every enemy of the west as insane/unhinged/madman/deranged. What's going on is evil, wrong, whatever you want to call it…but geopolitics is complicated, and there is undoubtedly a rationale behind what he is doing. Putin is not going to throw away his entire country doing something completely irrational like attack a NATO country unprovoked the same way Kim Jong Un won't. Let's not lose our heads.
chromhound
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we can put them on the frontline lol
Wheeljack539
Member
I can only imagine them thinking about "the draft" in panic.
dotnotbot
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He knows most of the country is against engaging in any kind of wars that aren't a direct threat. He willl prove US democracy is their weakness.
Poland is in NATO but our army and equipment is laughable and there is only 10,000 US troops here and 7,000 near Germany's border. If Puting acts quick he can take over Warsaw without much of a problem from the Belarus border side.
This starts to make sense:
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Wheeljack539
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Any thoughts on this post from yesterday?
RoadHazard
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Civil war? I don't think that means what you think it means.
CGiRanger
Banned
I believe Germany rejected this idea
Also I don't know how verifiable this is from this person in Turkey:
NeverYouMind
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It has been ongoing since 2014, but out of sight out of mind I guess.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Fbh
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I think the question isn't if he could take Poland. But if he invaded a NATO country he'd be declaring war on NATO and at that point we are really looking at WWIII.
I don't know if that's what he really wants.
Boss Mog
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You're delusional. You're imaging things in your head. I never said Trump is good and Biden is bad, i just stated facts about actions they took is response to a comment about energy dependence. You inferring anything else is on you. I'm to blame for Putin invading Ukraine? You really need help friend. Also, that's not why politics were banned, but that's besides the point. You're making way too much out of a small comment that didn't concern you so let's just drop it, I don't wanna discuss it anymore.
Ironbunny
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Hes 69 years old. Its propably that he sees this the only time to get to his goal. People be damned. He wants hes legacy to be the former Russian empire?
Nuclear deterrant was not mentioned by Putin as accident. WW3 is at the door and he knows the west is not willing to take that step. And west doesnt know whether he is.
FunkMiller
Banned
Massive pinch of salt on this, but would love to think the Ukranians are putting up a decent guerilla defence. That'll remind a lot of older Russians about Afghanistan...
Right ? Imagine if they had real deal problems to worry about. Like surviving the night. I'm so glad I grew up and live in a place with hardened people and not these pudding people.
Boss Mog
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That seems like heavy losses for Russia no?
FunkMiller
Banned
"The US was energy independent under Trump, even had a surplus. Biden put an end to it on day one, killing the keystone pipeline, while at the same time lifting sanctions on Russia's nord stream 2 pipeline. Construction on nord stream 2 started up again (after Trump had made them stop) 4 days after Biden took office."
That's you, berating Biden for changing US energy policy (which was of course wrong) and promoting the idea that Trump was right with his energy policy.
Now, how would you like to talk about all the fuck ups Trump made about Russia? Like withholding support for Ukraine unless they dished dirt on his political enemies? Or how pathetically enamoured he is with Putin?
See?
Both terrible.
No US politics in here.
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CGiRanger
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His first comments to me also sounded kind of vitriolic to NATO.
I took it as "NATO says for years we want you! Now NATO says nothing."
GreenAlien
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It's not the only reason.. There is also the fact that russia owes european banks at least 56 billion €. Also, we do not want to weaken SWIFT. Russia and China are building an alternative (SPFS). If we use it for sanctions, a lot of other nations might make the switch. That would mean no access for western secret services.. and we might even be forced to use their services for some transactions.
NeverYouMind
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No. Ukraine has shown it's hand and Russia is holding the rest of the cards.
Wheeljack539
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Livemap of Ukraine and what has been hit so far:
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The tank killers the US and UK gave them are proving to be highly effective against Russian armor.
chromhound
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Damn Ukraine is fighting hard
NeverYouMind
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Going full steam ahead at the start of the conflict means that they will lose all momentum in no time. Make no mistake, this ends one way.
akimbo009
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What way is that? Do enlighten us.
Gp1
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Unconfirmed, but at least it serves as a reference.
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