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[Roman Empire]

Bummer. Was it bad for real though or is it just the usual console war trolling?

It was real, I saw a mirror youtube link that showed the final scene of the prologue. The only problem is that the mirror was in 480p and I couldn't tell much difference from the remaster because the quality was shit, although character models looked improved.

 

[TheTony316]

At least it was new cardboard

You're giving Nintendo too much credit. it was most likely old Wii U packaging.

 

[DragoonWalker]

Illumination is better than tlou 2, It does t look baked

Looks just like I remember, and last gen as hell.

 

[Topher]

Bummer. Was it bad for real though or is it just the usual console war trolling?

Here it is:

 

[SSfox]

Naughty Dog is just becoming my least favorite SWW dev at this point.

 

[rofif]

Here it is:

her dying face is uncanny valley as fuck.
But 480p is nowhere near good to judge this.
ND should release 4k hdr video to combat this bs

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Which is why we should probably reserve judgement until ND provides more details.

We can still judge the stuff that was showed so far. And we can reserve final judgement for when the game releases. Sadly I won't be there day one, I will be patient and I will get it for PC. If Nixxes is responsible for the port, we can expect great things.

But hey, I was wrong once this year, just look at my avatar. I thank fuck I was as with the Starfield gone, the end of the year looked so-so for the AAA space.

 

[Topher]

We can still judge the stuff that was showed so far. And we can reserve final judgement when the game releases.

We were talking about the gameplay. We haven't seen any of those enhancements so there is nothing for us to judge.

 

[GymWolf]

Dunno about famous, but you definitely need professional voice actors for goons. The VA quality can't drop at any point, no matter the situation, ND don't allow shit like that.

Ok sure but adding a couple of lines for enemies must be like a trivial thing to do, i'm gonna be extremely surprised if enemies are not gonna be chatty like tlou2 enemies.

 

[Shmunter]

This one gives me strong Mafia Remake vibes. Just add some color.

Any news on Mafia remake getting 60fps on next gen?

 

[rofif]

This one gives me strong Mafia Remake vibes. Just add some color.

such a shame the game never looked like this and that it was terrible.
They ruined tommy

 

[MidGenRefresh]

such a shame the game never looked like this and that it was terrible.
They ruined tommy

I can forgive a lot but they ruined the immersion of the first game and that I simply cannot forgive!

 

[Fess]

Here it is:

Oh God it's that part… I had so forgotten about that. Couple kids later and I'm not sure I can go through that anymore… certainly won't bother studying that for details.

 

[SlimySnake]

This legitimately looks like a fake joke image made using FEAR or Bioshock mods, lighting and reflections straight out of 2006. This stuff has to be the from the outside dev ND fired before taking the project over, there's absolutely no way this is a 1440p PS5 exclusive. Even the video of the Sarah scene looks amateur as fuck, jumping headfirst into the uncanny valley with freaky cringy facial animation. Straight up dogshit by 2022 standards, nevermind next-gen only from their most technically advanced first party studio.

That is one of the worst looking screenshots ive ever seen. Definitely PS3 vibes.

I dont even think this looks as good as other last gen games at night.

And these are all open world games. That section in TLOU2 is very scripted and linear. Should look way better even if its bound by the PS4 GPU and CPU.

There were reports that when Herman saw it, he was like this looks like shit and wanted to can it. I wonder if he saw that screenshot and brought ND in. Still, ND shouldve gone back and made some changes to that scene. Boston looks way better and its also early in the game.

 

[ChiefDada]

That is one of the worst looking screenshots ive ever seen. Definitely PS3 vibes.

I dont even think this looks as good as other last gen games at night.

And these are all open world games. That section in TLOU2 is very scripted and linear. Should look way better even if its bound by the PS4 GPU and CPU.

There were reports that when Herman saw it, he was like this looks like shit and wanted to can it. I wonder if he saw that screenshot and brought ND in. Still, ND shouldve gone back and made some changes to that scene. Boston looks way better and its also early in the game.

Folks, all of the leaks are in 480p! I mean c'mon we can't have a serious discussion without accounting for this fact.

Slimy, this is your highly touted Matrix demo in 480p.

It would be foolish of me to scream "Eww looks cross gen" now wouldn't it?

 

[SlimySnake]

Folks, all of the leaks are in 480p! I mean c'mon we can't have a serious discussion without accounting for this fact.

Slimy, this is your highly touted Matrix demo in 480p.

It would be foolish of me to scream "Eww looks cross gen" now wouldn't it?

This is not a 480p screenshot. It's 2048*1152. Roughly 1080p. Same as the other Boston screenshot and yet that screenshot looks fantastic.

And even if it was, we are looking at stuff thats beyond the resolution. The lighting feels baked and dull. The reflections of the police lights are all off. The game is lacking any kind of volumetric fog that lights up the environment with the moonlight sky. It just looks like a PS3 game in comparison.

Maybe the section will look better in motion but the screenshot itself looks utterly awful even by last gen standards.

 

[rabbity-thing]

How many remakes do you know have a $30 launch price?

$30 dollars? Can't think of any off the top of my head. However, at 40 dollars we had the phenomenal Shadow of the Colossus remake and the excellent 2016 Ratchet and Clank. Both titles were more than 30 but both of those did far more work IMO than what Naughty Dog has done here.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Here it is:

Damn, those screams still tear at you, even more so with the new facial animations.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Here it is:

Literally spoiling the conclusion to the best part of the game. Opening is fucking amazing and visually and in terms of animation it is better without a doubt. Still personally not interested.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

It looks good. Should be 30$...if they have factions 40$.

 

[Banjo64]

Damn, those screams still tear at you, even more so with the new facial animations.

You can't be serious my man.

Bitch looks like E.T. and Hilary Clinton fucked and had a baby;

 

[DenchDeckard]

Its a shame that Sarah looks uncanny valley to funk in that video. Such a shame. That scene breaks me having a ten year old girl, but it looks odd in the remake to me.

Not a fan. She looks weird.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You can't be serious my man.

Bitch looks like E.T. and Hilary Clinton fucked and had a baby;

I don't care how she "looks," I don't judge the looks of an 8 year old(?). The animations are more believable.

 

[Banjo64]

I don't care how she "looks," I don't judge the looks of an 8 year old(?). The animations are more believable.

The animations are awful! It's robotic as fuck and they all have dead eyes.

I swear this is the skeleton product of whatever tinpot studio ND took this over from. They've tried to polish a turd but the results are just plain un-ND.

If she's supposed to be 8 then I worry for ND even more because no one on their payroll has evidently ever seen an 8 year old girl IRL.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The animations are awful! It's robotic as fuck

 

[mckmas8808]

The animations are awful! It's robotic as fuck and they all have dead eyes.

I swear this is the skeleton product of whatever tinpot studio ND took this over from. They've tried to polish a turd but the results are just plain un-ND.

If she's supposed to be 8 then I worry for ND even more because no one on their payroll has evidently ever seen an 8 year old girl IRL.

Do you have a screenshot or video of that same scene from the PS4 remaster? It'd be nice to compare faces and animations.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If she's supposed to be 8 then I worry for ND even more because no one on their payroll has evidently ever seen an 8 year old girl IRL.

I guessed, but then looked it up. She is supposed to be 12. My original point still stands.

 

[Topher]

Do you have a screenshot or video of that same scene from the PS4 remaster? It'd be nice to compare faces and animations.

Here is the remaster timestamped for around the same time in that scene:

Spoiler

 

[AyyyLmao420]

they want this for $70 and people on ReeEra are screeching at people saying its not worth the price. Are those idiots on the Sony payroll?

 

[Banjo64]

Here is the remaster timestamped for around the same time in that scene:

Interestingly it doesn't look like she lifts her head up and gurns like that in the PS4 version. I'd just watched it myself a few times to try and get an exact scene for scene screenshot.

 

[SlimySnake]

Its a shame that Sarah looks uncanny valley to funk in that video. Such a shame. That scene breaks me having a ten year old girl, but it looks odd in the remake to me.

Not a fan. She looks weird.

Rendering kids is hard. Remember the giant head Aloy in Horizon Zero Dawn? Her original death scene had a very similar stilted look. It might be by design since she's in shock and dies from the shock instead of slowly bleeding to death. Maybe thats what they were going for here.

 

[ChiefDada]

This is not a 480p screenshot. It's 2048*1152. Roughly 1080p. Same as the other Boston screenshot and yet that screenshot looks fantastic.

Well the cutscene video is 480p but sheesh that is a terribly compressed 1080pish shot then. But ok once again the uber next gen Matrix demo in 1080p glory looking more like early PS4 game

And even if it was, we are looking at stuff thats beyond the resolution. The lighting feels baked and dull. The reflections of the police lights are all off. The game is lacking any kind of volumetric fog that lights up the environment with the moonlight sky. It just looks like a PS3 game in comparison.

WTF? we are talking about a screenshot here. Resolution is critical, otherwise how else can we analyze lighting dynamism for a still? Y'all are nuts

 

[Topher]

Interestingly it doesn't look like she lifts her head up and gurns like that in the PS4 version. I'd just watched it myself a few times to try and get an exact scene for scene screenshot.

You can see more agony in her expressions of the remake even with it as blurry as hell as it is.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You can see more agony in her expressions of the remake even with it as blurry as hell as it is.

Not to mention we have no idea when that was taken in development. Considering animations are some of the last to go into a game before final bug testing and gold.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Amazing, timeless art style. This shit will never age. And that Gustavo Santaolalla soundtrack. Oh, so good.

 

[Banjo64]

You can see more agony in her expressions of the remake even with it as blurry as hell as it is.

We'll just have to disagree.

I think someone going in to shock and rapidly losing blood is more likely to have the peaceful expression of PS4 Sarah rather than being like 'AH OH FUCK IVE BEEN SHOT MOTHERFUCKER AHHH WOW THIS HURTS FUCK SHIT CUNT BOLLOCKS TWAT - end scene'.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think someone going in to shock and rapidly losing blood is more likely to have the peaceful expression of PS4 Sarah rather than being like 'AH OH FUCK IVE BEEN SHOT MOTHERFUCKER AHHH WOW THIS HURTS FUCK SHIT CUNT BOLLOCKS TWAT - end scene'.

FWIW, abdomen/rib GSWs are some of the most painful wounds one can endure. Especially from a scared 12 year old.

 

[Strategize]

Amazing, timeless art style. This shit will never age. And that Gustavo Santaolalla soundtrack. Oh, so good.

Problem is the pre-rendered scenes look so much better than the gameplay.

 

[Banjo64]

FWIW, abdomen/rib GSWs are some of the most painful wounds one can endure. Especially from a scared 12 year old.

If you're losing enough blood to bleed out within 10 seconds I doubt you'll be feeling any pain.

 

[rofif]

I can forgive a lot but they ruined the immersion of the first game and that I simply cannot forgive!

In fact I played remake and THEN replayed original.... and it was so obvious.
Remake is paced better but everything else is worse

 

[Topher]

We'll just have to disagree.

I think someone going in to shock and rapidly losing blood is more likely to have the peaceful expression of PS4 Sarah rather than being like 'AH OH FUCK IVE BEEN SHOT MOTHERFUCKER AHHH WOW THIS HURTS FUCK SHIT CUNT BOLLOCKS TWAT - end scene'.

Then what are we disagreeing on? I said she is showing more agony in the remake.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Problem is the pre-rendered scenes look so much better than the gameplay.

So? Why should I care as a player? It's not like modern games don't use similar tricks with higher LOD character models in cutscenes VS. gameplay. If done right, it's fair game.

In fact I played remake and THEN replayed original.... and it was so obvious.
Remake is paced better but everything else is worse

AMEN!

 

[Strategize]

If you're losing enough blood to bleed out within 10 seconds I doubt you'll be feeling any pain.

Are you going for the record amount of terrible takes you can have in a single thread?

 

[DeepEnigma]

If you're losing enough blood to bleed out within 10 seconds I doubt you'll be feeling any pain.

Blood loss and muscle atrophy due to that is pretty painful.

 

[Topher]

In fact I played remake and THEN replayed original.... and it was so obvious.
Remake is paced better but everything else is worse

Remake? You mean the remaster?

 

[Strategize]

So? Why should I care as a player? It's not like modern games don't use similar tricks with higher LOD character models in cutscenes VS. gameplay. If done right, it's fair game.

Becuase said "timeless artsyle" simply doesn't hold up outside of 10% of the game.

 

[Banjo64]

Then what are we disagreeing on? I said she is showing more agony in the remake.

I'm not sure.

Blood loss and muscle atrophy due to that is pretty painful.

I dunno. Maybe it would hurt you but I doubt it would hurt me.

 

[SlimySnake]

WTF? we are talking about a screenshot here. Resolution is critical, otherwise how else can we analyze lighting dynamism for a still? Y'all are nuts

By that logic, we cant analyze this screenshot either:

it does not look good. it does not look bad. It's like westworld, we can no longer trust our eyes, it doesnt look like anything to me.

Of course, you can judge games by their screenshots. Infamous Second Son literally start the photo mode craze after this shot was posted on gaf and blew everyone away.

By your logic, we should not able to find the volumetric fog in this Horizon Zero Dawn screenshot or any of the moonlight reflections off the foliage because screenshots cant display dynamic elements?

Lastly, here is a direct feed Matrix screenshot at 540p.

Still looks next gen to me.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Becuase said "timeless artsyle" simply doesn't hold up outside of 10% of the game.

You never get this close to characters outside of cutscenes anyway. Character models are just a small part of the whole game. Environments have the same, highly stylised look to them. It looks awesome. I hope Sony won't stop selling the OG game so future generations can experience it.

 

[Topher]

Blood loss and muscle atrophy due to that is pretty painful.

We need to test your theory and figure this out.

Where's Lognor?