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[HeisenbergFX4]

No, they really haven't. Game Pass is the largest subscription there is and it isn't above 30 million yet after being on the market for years. There are billions of gamers in the world. Where is this massive demand for subscriptions?

IF Xbox can deliver on the games that are slated for 2023 I bet demand jumps but again, IF

 

[akimbo009]

IF Xbox can deliver on the games that are slated for 2023 I bet demand jumps but again, IF

Impossible. It's plateaued.

 

[GHG]

Yup, just like Disney plus, Netflix, etc. There will be boundaries of who has what content to push on their respective service.

Yep and personally I don't have a problem since it's logical from a business perspective. There's only so much you can do before it's to the detriment of your business.

As such I don't see the point in pretending Microsoft are some evangelical company in a sea of sharks. It is what it is, so let's at least be honest about it. Their primary goal is to have people playing in their ecosystem.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

You'll pay for everything and own nothing.
And you'll be happy.

Imagine doing that more multiple years

 

[feynoob]

Sure, but that doesn't make me wrong. The number of subscribers very well may increase but so will the number of gamers overall. Saying "consumers want subscriptions" isn't made true by these numbers.

There are 25m consumers that want this service, and those numbers can grow. The rate right now is 1/4.6 of PS4 numbers. That is not small consumers.

The interest is there. The issue however is the output of MS, and those 3rd party games.

 

[elliot5]

literally the next paragraph

 

[Iced Arcade]

That's surprising. COD on gamepass and PS+ would be solid for gamers.

I only give a shit about the deal just to play some of the campaigns on gamepass. Idgaf about battling kids online.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And I am clarifying to you.
It states clearly on the Twitter that it's gamepass console.
Gamepass pc has growth potential.

And that's combined with the PC that has an infinite pool of players in comparison.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

literally the next paragraph

Literally not the point

 

[Topher]

Do people keep going to the movies, do they still buy films, digitally or whatever?

Yes they do, then people also want to stream and have subscription services.

And if we were talking movies and TV then yeah, there is some major demand for all that. But we are not talking about movies and TV.

There will always be many ways to consume video games and subscription services will become and are a very important piece of that pie.

It very well may become just that. But in no way has gamers thrown themselves into gaming subscriptions like consumers have with movies and TV. To say consumers have shown they want this in gaming is premature. We are just not there yet.

IF Xbox can deliver on the games that are slated for 2023 I bet demand jumps but again, IF

At some point there has to be a catalyst that sets a fire under the consumer and makes them realize this is a product that they want and everyone jumps on board. 2023 very well could be that catalyst for Xbox. Certainly not saying things are going to stay as they are right now, by any stretch.

 

[Thirty7ven]

If it's true and MS are throwing Sony a fair deal on every CoD entry being able to join PS+ then I can only imagine they will take the deal because business wise it makes more sense to take that deal and go out there and consolidate themselves with Ubisoft/EA/Take two and another smaller IP powerhouse, instead of putting all chips on a regulatory system that is highly corruptible and hardly ever moves to protect the integrity of the market.

I doubt it's real.

 

[feynoob]

Nvidia do this via GeForce Now and no surprise, Microsoft refuse to play nice with them and allow owners of the games they publish to access them via that service.

So they are effectively telling you where to play, even in instances where you own games from them. It has to be in their ecosystem, on their terms or not at all.

They are changing that now.
Look at Amazon games.
They put dishonored 2 there.

They are cozying up to the regulators now.

 

[elliot5]

Literally not the point

ignore the full context of the EU's decision just like the FTC then

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

ignore the full context of the EU's decision just like the FTC then

The context is about what Microsoft has said. The EU's views don't change that.

Sorry that hurts you

 

[Topher]

There are 25m consumers that want this service, and those numbers can grow. The rate right now is 1/4.6 of PS4 numbers. That is not small consumers.

The interest is there. The issue however is the output of MS, and those 3rd party games.

Content is king. The interest is going to follow the content. So yes, I mostly agree with you.

 

[GHG]

They are changing that now.
Look at Amazon games.
They put dishonored 2 there.

They are cozying up to the regulators now.

You are joking right? You do know that's most likely a deal that's been scheduled for some time now.

 

[DarkMage619]

Microsoft offers Sony rights to sell Call of Duty on PlayStation Plus: report (MSFT)

Microsoft (MSFT) has offered Sony (SONY) the rights to sell Activision Blizzard's popular Call of Duty video game on its PlayStation Plus streaming service in an effort to ...

seekingalpha.com

Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) has offered Sony (NYSE:SONY) the rights to sell Activision Blizzard's popular Call of Duty video game on its PlayStation Plus streaming service in an effort to get its $69B deal approved, Bloomberg reported.
Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft's (MSFT) offer to have Sony (SONY) sell Call of Duty on its streaming service was part of its previous 10-year offer to sell the game on Sony (SONY) PlayStation console. Sony has not yet accepted the deal.
Sony's (SONY) PlayStation Plus streaming service is similar to Microsoft's (MSFT) Xbox Game Pass, but cloud gaming is still nascent, as most games are played either via physical disc or downloaded individually.
Sony (SONY) has repeatedly said it opposes the merger for a number of reasons, including that it would give Xbox an advantage in console sales, as well as Microsoft's (MSFT) Xbox Game Pass streaming service.
Last week, the Federal Trade Commission filed a lawsuit to block Microsoft's (MSFT) $69B offer to buy Activision (NASDAQ:ATVI), saying that it "would enable Microsoft to suppress competitors to its Xbox gaming consoles and its rapidly growing subscription content and cloud-gaming business."
Activision Blizzard (ATVI) CEO Bobby Kotick recently said that the FTC lawsuit did not discourage him, writing in a letter to employees that he wanted "to reinforce my confidence that this deal will close."
None of Sony (SONY), Microsoft (MSFT) or Activision (ATVI) immediately responded to a request for comment from Seeking Alpha.
Earlier this month, Microsoft (MSFT) said it had reached a deal with Nintendo (OTCPK:NTDOY) that would bring Call of Duty to Nintendo's gaming platforms for 10 years if the merger is approved.
Last week, several analysts debated whether the Microsoft (MSFT) deal for Activision (ATVI) would go through in light of the FTC's lawsuit, with analysts casting a wide range of opinions on the matter.

I'd love to see the details of this. If Sony is paying fair market rates for CoD on PS+ I don't see why MS would have a problem with that at all. I totally get MS putting CoD on Game pass because MS would have paid billions for the right to do so. Sony won't get this for cheap.

 

[adamsapple]

They are changing that now.
Look at Amazon games.
They put dishonored 2 there.

They are cozying up to the regulators now.

The amazon games don't mean anything lol, these games are scheduled to arrive on xyz service months in advance.

There were rumors about Deathloop coming to PSN and Game Pass at the same time all the way back in February this year. m

 

[feynoob]

You are joking right? You do know that's most likely a deal that's been scheduled for some time now.

Still, it's a MS game on another subscription outside of PS+.

It's weird that they are doing it.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I'd love to see the details of this. If Sony is paying fair market rates for CoD on PS+ I don't see why MS would have a problem with that at all. I totally get MS putting CoD on Game pass because MS would have paid billions for the right to do so. Sony won't get this for cheap.

Let them do it and for a fair price respective of the games size. This should alleviate a lot of sonys concerns.

Hopefully they go for it.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Let them do it and for a fair price respective of the games size. This should alleviate a lot of sonys concerns.

Hopefully they go for it.

Like fuck they will.

 

[NickFire]

ignore the full context of the EU's decision just like the FTC then

Too much focus on whether or not EU relied on MS statements before the FTC threw egg on their face. Ultimately, the EU position from a year ago poses a challenge to MS regardless of how much reliance (on MS words) there was or was not before the EU adopted MS position. Regardless of how they reached the conclusion that MS had little incentive to foreclose access, the EU can no longer say that MS has little incentive to do it again (at all, and/or without being exposed to "fool me once, then shame on you, fool me twice, then shame on me" criticism).

Also, the catch all justification that even if foreclosure happened, it would not deprive an essential input, is not as easy to justify when talking about COD. There's a lot of people with PS4 and PS5 in Europe who plat COD. There were exactly zero Europeans playing Starfield when that merger was approved.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Seems like MSFT is trying to throw anything at the wall to see what sticks. At this point, if Sony rejects it all, MSFT might just offer them the IP itself.

 

[DarkMage619]

Let them do it and for a fair price respective of the games size. This should alleviate a lot of sonys concerns.

Hopefully they go for it.

Well the game popularity should matter. Subscription services are a substitute for traditional retail so Sony would have to prepay to put the title on PS+. It should be a fair price certainly but a market based one for sure. I don't see Sony going for it because this assumes Sony wants a deal in the first place. Sony doesn't want MS to have this company period. Short of MS giving Activision to Sony for free Sony wants it dead.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

Going round in circles at this point, will be that way until significant new news breaks. But we are now at a stage where if there is notable new news it will be significant enough to warrant a new thread (like the FTC one).

If we don't get some more news and soon, I might just start posting as someone against this deal so the thread stays fresh for me.

 

[GHG]

Seems like MSFT is trying to throw anything at the wall to see what sticks. At this point, if Sony rejects it all, MSFT might just offer them the IP itself.

At this point Jim is just sitting back seeing how far he can take it. I might eventually owe Jim an apology.

 

[bitbydeath]

So it's like dream game.
What about other studios?

I'm sure you could look up the others, they had a lot of good studios, and yes some were better than what they currently have.

Not that was even the argument to begin with, I was responding to 7 studios not closing down under Phil and I proved it was actually 10.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[GHG]

Jim Ryan right now:

 

[Banjo64]

Concessions flooding in now. This isn't enough though. I want all Xbox/ABK/Zenimax games to be streamable for free on my Nintendo Switch. Forever. And a blowjob from Microsoft's most attractive employee. Aaron Greenberg.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Jim Ryan right now:

 

[feynoob]

I'm sure you could look up the others, they had a lot of good studios, and yes some were better than what they currently have.

Not that was even the argument to begin with, I was responding to 7 studios not closing down under Phil and I proved it was actually 10.

Here is the wiki for all the studios so far. (Sold, closed, or consolidated)

Sold or spun off

• Access Software/Salt Lake Games Studio/Indie Games — Links series — Sold to Take-Two Interactive
• Bungie — Halo series — Became independent
• Lift London — Removed from Microsoft's games business[105]
• Twisted Pixel Games — The Gunstringer, LocoCycle, The Maw, 'Splosion Man series — Became independent
• Wingnut Interactive — Peter Jackson's joint venture game studio — Sold to WingNut Films[106][107]

Closed or consolidated

• Aces Game Studio — Microsoft Flight Simulator series — Closed
• BigPark — Kinect Joy Ride, Joy Ride Turbo — Consolidated
• Carbonated Games — Closed
• Digital Anvil — Brute Force, Freelancer — Consolidated[108]
• Ensemble Studios — Age of Empires series, Age of Mythology series, Halo Wars — Closed
• FASA Studio — MechWarrior series, Shadowrun, Crimson Skies series — Closed
• Good Science Studio — Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs, Kinect Star Wars — Consolidated
• Hired Gun — Halo 2 PC port — Consolidated[109]
• Lionhead Studios — Fable series, Black & White series — Closed
• Microsoft Studios Japan — Phantom Dust — Closed
• Microsoft Studios Victoria — Closed
• Press Play — Max: The Curse of Brotherhood, Kalimba — Closed
• Team Dakota — Project Spark — Consolidated
• Xbox Entertainment Studios — Closed (TV and movie studio)
• Xbox Live Productions — Consolidated (Publishing arm)

Some other studios took some of those projects like MS flight sim, and age of empires.

 

[oldergamer]

This was a ploy on part of MS as Sony will reject any deal they put forth, as there is no deal outside of MS not owning Activision. Its pretty obvious and i don't see them offering more then that.

 

[feynoob]

Jim Ryan right now:

good. Much better than the useless 10 years.

 

[Three]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Name a gaming platform that allows you to play games without buying their hardware outside of Xbox.

Geforce Now, PS+ Premium. That was easy.

You can buy games on PC as well hardly MS telling you where to play. Streaming isn't available outside of Game pass at all so I still have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes you can buy games to play the games that run on the windows PCs that make 95% of the market for games, how great and altruistic.

 

[GHG]

This was a ploy on part of MS as Sony will reject any deal they put forth, as there is no deal outside of MS not owning Activision. Its pretty obvious and i don't see them offering more then that.

I've heard that one before when it was 3 years of COD.

Take the deal everyone said. How time flies.

 

[feynoob]

Here is the full article, GHG
https://seekingalpha.com/news/39162...-sell-call-of-duty-on-playstation-plus-report

Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) has offered Sony (NYSE:SONY) the rights to sell Activision Blizzard's popular Call of Duty video game on its PlayStation Plus streaming service in an effort to get its $69B deal approved, Bloomberg reported.

Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft's (MSFT) offer to have Sony (SONY) sell Call of Duty on its streaming service was part of its previous 10-year offer to sell the game on Sony (SONY) PlayStation console. Sony has not yet accepted the deal.

Sony's (SONY) PlayStation Plus streaming service is similar to Microsoft's (MSFT) Xbox Game Pass, but cloud gaming is still nascent, as most games are played either via physical disc or downloaded individually.

Sony (SONY) has repeatedly said it opposes the merger for a number of reasons, including that it would give Xbox an advantage in console sales, as well as Microsoft's (MSFT) Xbox Game Pass streaming service.

Last week, the Federal Trade Commission filed a lawsuit to block Microsoft's (MSFT) $69B offer to buy Activision (NASDAQ:ATVI), saying that it "would enable Microsoft to suppress competitors to its Xbox gaming consoles and its rapidly growing subscription content and cloud-gaming business."

Activision Blizzard (ATVI) CEO Bobby Kotick recently said that the FTC lawsuit did not discourage him, writing in a letter to employees that he wanted "to reinforce my confidence that this deal will close."

None of Sony (SONY), Microsoft (MSFT) or Activision (ATVI) immediately responded to a request for comment from Seeking Alpha.

Earlier this month, Microsoft (MSFT) said it had reached a deal with Nintendo (OTCPK:NTDOY) that would bring Call of Duty to Nintendo's gaming platforms for 10 years if the merger is approved.

Last week, several analysts debated whether the Microsoft (MSFT) deal for Activision (ATVI) would go through in light of the FTC's lawsuit, with analysts casting a wide range of opinions on the matter.

 

[oldergamer]

Here is the wiki for all the studios so far. (Sold, closed, or consolidated)

Some other studios took some of those projects like MS flight sim, and age of empires.

That list is not correct. Microsoft Studios Victoria later turned into the coalition.

Also why include TV production studios in the list?

 

[R3claimer117]

This was a ploy on part of MS as Sony will reject any deal they put forth, as there is no deal outside of MS not owning Activision. Its pretty obvious and i don't see them offering more then that.

How's this is a ploy the article isn't stating this is a new deal it's saying this was included in the 10 year deal they already offered them that was refused.

 

[Lions Gate]

 

[feynoob]

That list is not correct. Microsoft Studios Victoria later turned into the coalition.

Also why include TV production studios in the list?

https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/12/05/microsoft-to-close-victoria-office

The list so far is correct., as it includes all MS studios.

 

[DForce]

LMFAO



Are you the same guy who complained that Sony kept Street Fighter V, Kena, and Final Fantasy off Xbox?

It wasn't officially announced remember? They could've canceled it

So it officially needs to be announced on PlayStation, but the SAME LOGIC doesn't apply with Xbox fans with Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, and Kena?

How much spinning are you going to do just to tell me it's "different?"

oldergamer Still curious to see how you would answer this.

 

[GHG]

oldergamer Still curious to see how you would answer this.

 

[Topher]

Its pretty obvious and i don't see them offering more then that.

We are a hell of a long way from that initial "three year deal" and we are not even done with year one of this whole debacle.

 

[Pelta88]

At this point Microsoft might just purchase ATVI for Sony.

 

[GHG]

At this point Microsoft might just purchase ATVI for Sony.

It's all about King though.

 

[Ezekiel_]

 

[reksveks]

Just to clear up any timelines

 

[oldergamer]

I've heard that one before when it was 3 years of COD.

Take the deal everyone said. How time flies.

heard that deal from whom?