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[Wildebeest]

And it's good politics. The CCP can't be trusted at all, and it's about time the western world started handling it in an effective manner - not kowtowing, just to avoid economic issues... which is the mistake that led to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. and if China isn't spiked as well, similar things could happen in Taiwan.

2022 seems to be the year the west alters its relationship with the two worst dictatorships on the planet, and that's to be applauded. Let's just hope it's not too little, too late.

I question how effective randomly opening and closing borders to send a political message is. Certainly it is good for people who make money from over charging people to stay in covid hotels.

 

[FunkMiller]

I question how effective randomly opening and closing borders to send a political message is. Certainly it is good for people who make money from over charging people to stay in covid hotels.

It's effective because it shows that other countries aren't just going to roll over and let the CCP and its vested interests have what they want - which is, of course, for the free movement of Chinese people and Chinese money to return. The CCP only dropped zero covid once it looked like impacting the economy heavily. It had nothing to do with public health or the happiness of the people. I expect they just assumed everything would go back to the way they want it. That doesn't appear to be happening, as Chinese movement will be curtailed by these restrictions, impacting all economies concerned anyway.

 

[Tams]

The easier way is to threaten airlines with massive fines if they let anyone who has come from China, or is strongly suspected of coming from China, to not board the plane at the destination without a negative test.

Sure, that puts a lot of pressure on the place of origin of a flight, but that's either China or a hub airport like the Middle Eastern ones. They wanted to be hub airports for the world, so they can deal with that. It's not like they don't probably have a load of hotel rooms empty in their empty developments in the desert, lol.

Sure, there will be fake test result certificates floating around, and some will take convoluted routes to try and avoid it. All that takes a lot of effort though, that most people are not willing to go to.

 

[nush]

to not board the plane at the destination without a negative test.

That's how it worked for the last couple of years flying out from China. Negative test 48 hours before departure required.

 

[xellos2099alpha]

That's a lot of people to lock up, Heathrow for instance takes in 200k passengers per day. Announcing a mandatory quarantine (ignoring the shake legality of that) will cut that massively but even at 20k per day that's 280.000 people to keep locked up, fed, tested, taken care of if they get ill and somehow avoid the thousands of staff doing that from getting infected. Effectively all that staff has to be kept isolated as well for long periods with their own 14-day isolation before going back home.

China can do it but now conceded that the effort is too much to keep up even for their immense resources and ways of coercion. Why they did not use some of that power to get more people vaccinated is the big question. The over-70's without vaccination are now dying by the thousands.

They have vaccine just not the western country one.

 

[Tams]

That's how it worked for the last couple of years flying out from China. Negative test 48 hours before departure required.

Yes, and there's nothing stopping airlines from keeping that rule.

 

[nush]

List of all the countries and their regulations for traveling from China, more countries than I thought there would be.

Traveling From China? These Countries Have COVID-19 Regulations

Some countries and regions have introduced COVID-19-related requirements for travelers from China.

www.thatsmags.com

 

[Tams]

List of all the countries and their regulations for traveling from China, more countries than I thought there would be.

Traveling From China? These Countries Have COVID-19 Regulations

Some countries and regions have introduced COVID-19-related requirements for travelers from China.

www.thatsmags.com

Lol, China are now trying to play the cancel game by calling having requirements 'making things political'.

Get fucked. We don't trust you anymore.

 

[nush]

Lol, China are now trying to play the cancel game by calling having requirements 'making things political'.

Get fucked. We don't trust you anymore.

Have they used the "Hurt the feelings of the Chinese people" line yet? That's always on the international butthurt China bingo card.

 

[fran.fernandez]

Idk if order are open in China to travel but Japan is full or Chinese again. Had to wait one hour for a restaurant, line everybody speaking Chinese.

Miss Wuhan time

 

[MilkyJoe]

China refused the highly effective mRNA vaccines because their government couldn't have complete access to their info and how they're fabricated. This is one of the reasons they are so crazy about containing outbreaks.

So your jest is deeply ironic because it proves just how deadly the virus is, and why the rest of the world can now shoo-shoo it because of the miracles of modern science. China is facing another huge death toll while the rest of us get to chill because we have effective vaccines.

It only had a survival rate of like 99.9999% at it's worst, i don't think i'd call that deadly

 

[WhatDidHeSay?]

It only had a survival rate of like 99.9999% at it's worst, i don't think i'd call that deadly

Still at least we're testing people for COVID when they touch down here in the UK...

...and then doing sweet FA if positive - "yeeeah get in there my son... Get us all infected!"

Brilliant.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Still at least we're testing people for COVID when they touch down here in the UK...

...and then doing sweet FA if positive - "yeeeah get in there my son... Get us all infected!"

Brilliant.

It's just a cold now, nothing to worry about if you aren't already fucked from something else

 

[Tams]

It's just a cold now, nothing to worry about if you aren't already fucked from something else

The crematoriums in China say otherwise.

 

[nush]

The crematoriums in China say otherwise.

It's deadlier to old people.

 

[WhatDidHeSay?]

It's just a cold now, nothing to worry about if you aren't already fucked from something else

Easy there, Dr. Hilary!!!

 

[RJMacready73]

It's just a cold now, nothing to worry about if you aren't already fucked from something else

Yeah it's gotta be attacking people with underlying health conditions worse than those of us with none, minor case in point... I caught it last year same time as a colleague in a meeting, was a bad manflu, spent about 4 days on the sofa feeling miserable and a further 4 days getting over it, my colleague on the other hand who was also super fit has been in and out of hospital loads, had to have his heart restarted due to irregular heart rhythm that he's since developed, had penumonia and several other complications ALL as a result of COVID, whereas muggins here who likes a pint or several got fuck all, he's currently coughing behind me as I write this back from being off for a few weeks...

Yeah it mighten be deadly, but by fuck if you have hidden health conditions or just plain unlucky it can proper fuck you up

 

[MilkyJoe]

It's deadlier to old people.

Exactly, and in winter time during cold and flu season, old people, sick people, especially old sick people, kick the bucket in the 10s of thousands every year...

Total deaths involving diseases of the respiratory system from 2015 to 2019

Date	Total mortality	England and Wales	Resident outside England and Wales
2015	75,534	75,445	89
2016	72,241	72,144	97
2017	73,455	73,364	91
2018	76,728	76,603	125
2019	72,440	72,344	96

Compare to Covid and respiratory deaths in 2020

Top ten leading causes of death in year to date 2020		Number of deaths
Cause	Rank in year to date	Year to date (1 January to 31 December 2020)
COVID-19	1st	69,101
Dementia and Alzheimer's disease	2nd	66,060
Ischaemic heart diseases	3rd	51,979
Cerebrovascular diseases	4th	27,681
Chronic lower respiratory diseases	5th	26,917
Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung	6th	26,571
Influenza and pneumonia	7th	18,656
Malignant neoplasm of colon, sigmoid, rectum and anus	8th	15,960
Symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions	9th	14,385
Malignant neoplasms, stated or presumed to be primary of lymphoid, haematopoietic and related tissue	10th	11,109

"But Joe that's still 16000 odd more deaths..."

Well that really depends on how you count a Covid death in the UK

The reality.....

Deaths from respiratory disease from 2015 to 2020 and influenza and pneumonia in 2020 - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

You asked

Since March 2020 - January 2021, how many patients have died solely due to Covid-19 - not within 28 days of receiving a positive test?

Deaths involving and due to COVID-19, England and Wales, deaths registered in 2020 and 2021
Year	Week no.	Deaths involving COVID-19	Deaths due to COVID-19
2020	Week 1
2020	Week 2
2020	Week 3
2020	Week 4
2020	Week 5
2020	Week 6
2020	Week 7
2020	Week 8
2020	Week 9
2020	Week 10
2020	Week 11	5	5
2020	Week 12	103	95
2020	Week 13	539	519
2020	Week 14	3,475	3,332
2020	Week 15	6,213	5,983
2020	Week 16	8,758	8,435
2020	Week 17	8,237	7,867
2020	Week 18	6,035	5,689
2020	Week 19	3,930	3,664
2020	Week 20	3,810	3,511
2020	Week 21	2,589	2,341
2020	Week 22	1,822	1,628
2020	Week 23	1,588	1,392
2020	Week 24	1,114	948
2020	Week 25	783	629
2020	Week 26	606	498
2020	Week 27	532	408
2020	Week 28	366	291
2020	Week 29	295	228
2020	Week 30	217	161
2020	Week 31	193	148
2020	Week 32	152	115
2020	Week 33	139	104
2020	Week 34	138	98
2020	Week 35	101	76
2020	Week 36	78	69
2020	Week 37	99	78
2020	Week 38	139	118
2020	Week 39	215	178
2020	Week 40	321	279
2020	Week 41	438	385
2020	Week 42	670	590
2020	Week 43	978	874
2020	Week 44	1,379	1,196
2020	Week 45	1,937	1,743
2020	Week 46	2,466	2,170
2020	Week 47	2,697	2,361
2020	Week 48	3,040	2,637
2020	Week 49	2,835	2,469
2020	Week 50	2,756	2,337
2020	Week 51	2,986	2,557
2020	Week 52	2,912	2,497
2020	Week 53	3,144	2,741
2021	Week 1	6,057	5,367
2021	Week 2	7,245	6,510
2021	Week 3	8,422	7,592
2021	Week 4	8,433	7,610
2021	Week 5	7,320	6,521
2021	Week 6	5,691	5,035
2021	Week 7	4,079	3,495
	TOTAL	7107​	6894​

who knows what's going on there...

... You know...

 

[sinnergy]

Exactly, and in winter time during cold and flu season, old people, sick people, especially old sick people, kick the bucket in the 10s of thousands every year...

Total deaths involving diseases of the respiratory system from 2015 to 2019

Date	Total mortality	England and Wales	Resident outside England and Wales
2015	75,534	75,445	89
2016	72,241	72,144	97
2017	73,455	73,364	91
2018	76,728	76,603	125
2019	72,440	72,344	96

Compare to Covid and respiratory deaths in 2020

Cause	Rank in year to date	Year to date (1 January to 31 December 2020)
Top ten leading causes of death in year to date 2020		Number of deaths
COVID-19	1st	69,101
Dementia and Alzheimer's disease	2nd	66,060
Ischaemic heart diseases	3rd	51,979
Cerebrovascular diseases	4th	27,681
Chronic lower respiratory diseases	5th	26,917
Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung	6th	26,571
Influenza and pneumonia	7th	18,656
Malignant neoplasm of colon, sigmoid, rectum and anus	8th	15,960
Symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions	9th	14,385
Malignant neoplasms, stated or presumed to be primary of lymphoid, haematopoietic and related tissue	10th	11,109

"But Joe that's still 16000 odd more deaths..."

Well that really depends on how you count a Covid death in the UK

The reality.....

http://[URL]https://www.ons.gov.uk/...efrom2015to2020andinfluenzaandpneumoniain2020

[/URL]

You asked

Since March 2020 - January 2021, how many patients have died solely due to Covid-19 - not within 28 days of receiving a positive test?

Deaths involving and due to COVID-19, England and Wales, deaths registered in 2020 and 2021
Year	Week no.	Deaths involving COVID-19	Deaths due to COVID-19
2020	Week 1
2020	Week 2
2020	Week 3
2020	Week 4
2020	Week 5
2020	Week 6
2020	Week 7
2020	Week 8
2020	Week 9
2020	Week 10
2020	Week 11	5	5
2020	Week 12	103	95
2020	Week 13	539	519
2020	Week 14	3,475	3,332
2020	Week 15	6,213	5,983
2020	Week 16	8,758	8,435
2020	Week 17	8,237	7,867
2020	Week 18	6,035	5,689
2020	Week 19	3,930	3,664
2020	Week 20	3,810	3,511
2020	Week 21	2,589	2,341
2020	Week 22	1,822	1,628
2020	Week 23	1,588	1,392
2020	Week 24	1,114	948
2020	Week 25	783	629
2020	Week 26	606	498
2020	Week 27	532	408
2020	Week 28	366	291
2020	Week 29	295	228
2020	Week 30	217	161
2020	Week 31	193	148
2020	Week 32	152	115
2020	Week 33	139	104
2020	Week 34	138	98
2020	Week 35	101	76
2020	Week 36	78	69
2020	Week 37	99	78
2020	Week 38	139	118
2020	Week 39	215	178
2020	Week 40	321	279
2020	Week 41	438	385
2020	Week 42	670	590
2020	Week 43	978	874
2020	Week 44	1,379	1,196
2020	Week 45	1,937	1,743
2020	Week 46	2,466	2,170
2020	Week 47	2,697	2,361
2020	Week 48	3,040	2,637
2020	Week 49	2,835	2,469
2020	Week 50	2,756	2,337
2020	Week 51	2,986	2,557
2020	Week 52	2,912	2,497
2020	Week 53	3,144	2,741
2021	Week 1	6,057	5,367
2021	Week 2	7,245	6,510
2021	Week 3	8,422	7,592
2021	Week 4	8,433	7,610
2021	Week 5	7,320	6,521
2021	Week 6	5,691	5,035
2021	Week 7	4,079	3,495
	TOTAL	7107​	6894​

who knows what's going on there...

... You know...

There is money to be made !

 

[sinnergy]

Yeah it's gotta be attacking people with underlying health conditions worse than those of us with none, minor case in point... I caught it last year same time as a colleague in a meeting, was a bad manflu, spent about 4 days on the sofa feeling miserable and a further 4 days getting over it, my colleague on the other hand who was also super fit has been in and out of hospital loads, had to have his heart restarted due to irregular heart rhythm that he's since developed, had penumonia and several other complications ALL as a result of COVID, whereas muggins here who likes a pint or several got fuck all, he's currently coughing behind me as I write this back from being off for a few weeks...

Yeah it mighten be deadly, but by fuck if you have hidden health conditions or just plain unlucky it can proper fuck you up

It's probably a DNA thing , thought this from the start .. it's just to random . There are scientists that are researching this . I know people of all ages , some had it mild, others are fucked . I only caught it ones, I was pretty to the shitter with sores, like the plague, and a little bit of coughing , but no typical symptoms. No fever . Never lost smell. But my brother in law doesn't smell anything for 3 months now. No hospitalization among people I know. But I do know cases from some people in my old home town.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Going to Hong Kong next week. Today I got told they don't even to testing upon entry any more. lol

I think China doesn't care any more.

 

[sinnergy]

Going to Hong Kong next week. Today I got told they don't even to testing upon entry any more. lol

I think China doesn't care any more.

We don't either, as long as it stays in China

 

[JimmyRustler]

We don't either, as long as it stays in China

It won't, either way. Not in todays world.

 

[RJMacready73]

It's probably a DNA thing , thought this from the start .. it's just to random . There are scientists that are researching this . I know people of all ages , some had it mild, others are fucked . I only caught it ones, I was pretty to the shitter with sores, like the plague, and a little bit of coughing , but no typical symptoms. No fever . Never lost smell. But my brother in law doesn't smell anything for 3 months now. No hospitalization among people I know. But I do know cases from some people in my old home town.

It's so bizarre, we had one big fat fella in our work who likes the odd drink.. all the fucking time, sorta cunt wheezes going up a step anyways he caught it and honestly we where all brushing off the black ties and then I have a teams with him and he's sitting there right as rain not a single symptom, told him we where looking forward to an afternoon off for his funeral lol and aul super fit a few desks down is needing a body transplant after his bout... Crazy crazy virus, I'm just glad my family has all caught it and nothing too bad happened

 

[BadBurger]

It only had a survival rate of like 99.9999% at it's worst, i don't think i'd call that deadly

At its height around 4K people were dying daily. Maybe that's not significant to you, but to me that really sucks. Poor people had families and years of life ahead of them.

But at least that's mostly behind us now at least. Those were dark days back in early 2020.

 

[jason10mm]

If Covid is exploding in China, then why are the CCP lifting all restrictions, including restrictions on travel?

Because if China is gonna have to deal with it, they want the rest of the world doing the same. Then no one can steal a march on them.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Now try seeing deaths and long-term issues from countries not rich enough to (re)direct the world's vaccine supplies e.g. not UK or China or US etc.

Same goes for countries without the infrastructure or processes in place to deal or report on their own society, let alone Covid times.

After the last couple of years it boils down to asshats creating this or nature balancing out our overpopulation. It's a complete tragedy for families and individuals losing lives, mobilities or provisions etc. As for the planet it's likely been nothing but a good thing slowing humanity down, even just a little.

 

[Facism]

It's so bizarre, we had one big fat fella in our work who likes the odd drink.. all the fucking time, sorta cunt wheezes going up a step anyways he caught it and honestly we where all brushing off the black ties and then I have a teams with him and he's sitting there right as rain not a single symptom, told him we where looking forward to an afternoon off for his funeral lol and aul super fit a few desks down is needing a body transplant after his bout... Crazy crazy virus, I'm just glad my family has all caught it and nothing too bad happened

Yeh I remember worrying about my dad, 70 years old, fat af, on a hundred different medications, gets out of breath going for a shit etc. Caught covid and all he got as a symptom was a runny nose.

Meanwhile I got laid out for 2 weeks and spent 2 months near enough exhausted afterwards.

 

[BadBurger]

Not to mention COVID-19 has effects on the brain, heart, and lungs that persist far beyond initial infection for many. It's already proving to be a strain for healthcare systems and we don't even understand the complete ramifications of it. (edit: as a healthcare adjacent worker, some insight: most networks don't have many dedicated beds and departments for chronic diseases. It's mostly for stuff like cancer and diabetes. So trying to adapt for long COVID is a massive struggle. It's expensive and demands a lot in terms on human effort / labor).

It reminds me of a coworker. Staunchly anti-vax for political reasons. He caught it twice, ended up in the hospital both times. Now he has an incessant, terrible cough, and sometimes has to call out because he can barely do anything approaching physical labor for more than several hours. We all work from home in healthcare IT. Literally moving around the house and sitting at a desk typing is sometimes too much for him now.

I just wish everyone would get vaccinated. I miss the days when vaccines weren't controversial.

 

[MilkyJoe]

There is money to be made !

Correct-a-mundo!!!

 

[nush]

I just wish everyone would get vaccinated. I miss the days when vaccines weren't controversial.

I agree, why wouldn't anyone want a vaccine that was in development for years and had multiple clinical trials to prove it's safe and effective?

 

[RJMacready73]

Not to mention COVID-19 has effects on the brain, heart, and lungs that persist far beyond initial infection for many. It's already proving to be a strain for healthcare systems and we don't even understand the complete ramifications of it. (edit: as a healthcare adjacent worker, some insight: most networks don't have many dedicated beds and departments for chronic diseases. It's mostly for stuff like cancer and diabetes. So trying to adapt for long COVID is a massive struggle. It's expensive and demands a lot in terms on human effort / labor).

It reminds me of a coworker. Staunchly anti-vax for political reasons. He caught it twice, ended up in the hospital both times. Now he has an incessant, terrible cough, and sometimes has to call out because he can barely do anything approaching physical labor for more than several hours. We all work from home in healthcare IT. Literally moving around the house and sitting at a desk typing is sometimes too much for him now.

I just wish everyone would get vaccinated. I miss the days when vaccines weren't controversial.

those sort of people do my head in, hell fucking slap it into them, they deserve it for being so fucking idiotic

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I agree, why wouldn't anyone want a vaccine that was in development for years and had multiple clinical trials to prove it's safe and effective?

• Swine flu vaccine (1976), 1 serious event per 100,000 vaccinees, Vaccine withdrawn
• Rotavirus vaccine Rotashield, (1999),1 to 2 serious events per 10,000 vaccinees, Vaccine withdrawn
• Covid mRNA vaccines, 1 serious event per 800 vaccinees, Vaccine officially promoted

 

[Mistake]

I just wish everyone would get vaccinated. I miss the days when vaccines weren't controversial.

Maybe it would help if habitual liars and greed got out of the way, and just let science do science. But if you want to talk anecdotes, all my contacts in china are doing fine after catching covid. Yet both parents of my best friend stateside developed heart issues after being vaccinated, even though he's fine not being vaxxed and getting covid. They all live in the same house

 

[Rickyiez]

• Swine flu vaccine (1976), 1 serious event per 100,000 vaccinees, Vaccine withdrawn
• Rotavirus vaccine Rotashield, (1999),1 to 2 serious events per 10,000 vaccinees, Vaccine withdrawn
• Covid mRNA vaccines, 1 serious event per 800 vaccinees, Vaccine officially promoted

I have no medical knowledge but it's dumb to even compare a 1976 vaccine and a 2020 vaccine.

 

[FunkMiller]

• Swine flu vaccine (1976), 1 serious event per 100,000 vaccinees, Vaccine withdrawn
• Rotavirus vaccine Rotashield, (1999),1 to 2 serious events per 10,000 vaccinees, Vaccine withdrawn
• Covid mRNA vaccines, 1 serious event per 800 vaccinees, Vaccine officially promoted

Ah yes. Always best to trust one random old fucker on YouTube with zero epidemiology experience, who has a history of getting his facts wrong:

https://fullfact.org/health/john-campbell-youtube-singapore-children/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)




Surely at this stage we should have moved past blindly trusting one fucking source on this stuff? Do proper research.

 

[Gp1]

60,000 deaths in five weeks on the "fifth" wave and with almost 2 full years of mass vaccination. That's only the accounted deaths in hospitals.

Imagine what had happened on the other waves without knowledge and vaccines.

 

[FireFly]

Exactly, and in winter time during cold and flu season, old people, sick people, especially old sick people, kick the bucket in the 10s of thousands every year...

Total deaths involving diseases of the respiratory system from 2015 to 2019

Date	Total mortality	England and Wales	Resident outside England and Wales
2015	75,534	75,445	89
2016	72,241	72,144	97
2017	73,455	73,364	91
2018	76,728	76,603	125
2019	72,440	72,344	96

Compare to Covid and respiratory deaths in 2020

Top ten leading causes of death in year to date 2020		Number of deaths
Cause	Rank in year to date	Year to date (1 January to 31 December 2020)
COVID-19	1st	69,101
Dementia and Alzheimer's disease	2nd	66,060
Ischaemic heart diseases	3rd	51,979
Cerebrovascular diseases	4th	27,681
Chronic lower respiratory diseases	5th	26,917
Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung	6th	26,571
Influenza and pneumonia	7th	18,656
Malignant neoplasm of colon, sigmoid, rectum and anus	8th	15,960
Symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions	9th	14,385
Malignant neoplasms, stated or presumed to be primary of lymphoid, haematopoietic and related tissue	10th	11,109

"But Joe that's still 16000 odd more deaths..."

Well that really depends on how you count a Covid death in the UK

The reality.....

http://[URL][URL]https://www.ons.go...efrom2015to2020andinfluenzaandpneumoniain2020

[/URL][/URL]

You asked

Since March 2020 - January 2021, how many patients have died solely due to Covid-19 - not within 28 days of receiving a positive test?

Deaths involving and due to COVID-19, England and Wales, deaths registered in 2020 and 2021
Year	Week no.	Deaths involving COVID-19	Deaths due to COVID-19
2020	Week 1
2020	Week 2
2020	Week 3
2020	Week 4
2020	Week 5
2020	Week 6
2020	Week 7
2020	Week 8
2020	Week 9
2020	Week 10
2020	Week 11	5	5
2020	Week 12	103	95
2020	Week 13	539	519
2020	Week 14	3,475	3,332
2020	Week 15	6,213	5,983
2020	Week 16	8,758	8,435
2020	Week 17	8,237	7,867
2020	Week 18	6,035	5,689
2020	Week 19	3,930	3,664
2020	Week 20	3,810	3,511
2020	Week 21	2,589	2,341
2020	Week 22	1,822	1,628
2020	Week 23	1,588	1,392
2020	Week 24	1,114	948
2020	Week 25	783	629
2020	Week 26	606	498
2020	Week 27	532	408
2020	Week 28	366	291
2020	Week 29	295	228
2020	Week 30	217	161
2020	Week 31	193	148
2020	Week 32	152	115
2020	Week 33	139	104
2020	Week 34	138	98
2020	Week 35	101	76
2020	Week 36	78	69
2020	Week 37	99	78
2020	Week 38	139	118
2020	Week 39	215	178
2020	Week 40	321	279
2020	Week 41	438	385
2020	Week 42	670	590
2020	Week 43	978	874
2020	Week 44	1,379	1,196
2020	Week 45	1,937	1,743
2020	Week 46	2,466	2,170
2020	Week 47	2,697	2,361
2020	Week 48	3,040	2,637
2020	Week 49	2,835	2,469
2020	Week 50	2,756	2,337
2020	Week 51	2,986	2,557
2020	Week 52	2,912	2,497
2020	Week 53	3,144	2,741
2021	Week 1	6,057	5,367
2021	Week 2	7,245	6,510
2021	Week 3	8,422	7,592
2021	Week 4	8,433	7,610
2021	Week 5	7,320	6,521
2021	Week 6	5,691	5,035
2021	Week 7	4,079	3,495
	TOTAL	7107​	6894​

who knows what's going on there...

... You know...

The totals at the end are completely wrong. The deaths in the last three weeks already add up to more than the listed totals. It's 128077 vs 115574 deaths. So according to these stats, 90% of the deaths involving COVID turned out to be due to COVID. Not exactly the grand conspiracy we were expecting. (You need to convert all values to numbers in Excel to get them to sum correctly)

And in terms of how deadly the original strain was, you're looking at around a 99% percent survival rate, with none of those extra 9s.

https://twitter.com/heimbergecon/status/1501889305463205891?lang=en-GB

Of course thanks to vaccines, Omicron being milder and immunity due to past infections, it's now beyond 99.9%. So we're at a point where it is no more deadly than the flu.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Ah yes. Always best to trust one random old fucker on YouTube with zero epidemiology experience, who has a history of getting his facts wrong:

https://fullfact.org/health/john-campbell-youtube-singapore-children/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)




Surely at this stage we should have moved past blindly trusting one fucking source on this stuff? Do proper research.

What nonsense rather than confront the data, like a good tool you attempt to character assasinate JC. Twitter files clearly show the debate was stamped out with deplatforming, the broken system that is fact checking and character assasination of anyone with a dissenting opinion.

If John Campbell really had a history of getting his facts wrong, he wouldn't be on YouTube with over 2.5mil subs. You've just cherry picked, when he's done his homework and presented his findings.

Here are the published trials where the data is from:

Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults - PubMed

The excess risk of serious adverse events found in our study points to the need for formal harm-benefit analyses, particularly those that are stratified according to risk of serious COVID-19 outcomes. These analyses will require public release of participant level datasets.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults - PMC

In 2020, prior to COVID-19 vaccine rollout, the Brighton Collaboration created a priority list, endorsed by the World Health Organization, of potential adverse events relevant to COVID-19 vaccines. We adapted the Brighton Collaboration list to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Results

Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6 and 42.2 (95 % CI −0.4 to 20.6 and −3.6 to 33.8), respectively. Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated (95 % CI 2.1 to 22.9); risk ratio 1.43 (95 % CI 1.07 to 1.92). The Pfizer trial exhibited a 36 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group; risk difference 18.0 per 10,000 vaccinated (95 % CI 1.2 to 34.9); risk ratio 1.36 (95 % CI 1.02 to 1.83). The Moderna trial exhibited a 6 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group: risk difference 7.1 per 10,000 (95 % CI –23.2 to 37.4); risk ratio 1.06 (95 % CI 0.84 to 1.33). Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients: risk difference 13.2 (95 % CI −3.2 to 29.6); risk ratio 1.16 (95 % CI 0.97 to 1.39).

Here's another statement of the 1 in 800 serious adverse events from MNRA vaccines within the same trials cited on the BBC by another medical professional.

 

[Wildebeest]

Covid is known to have long term follow-up problems like ME (fatigue), impaired cognitive function (big stupid), and dysregulation of nervous system (heart rate and blood pressure). To me, the idea that it is just some minor flu that you can easily shrug off, and it is better to have just to get it over with to get some gigachad immune system, even though people who get it can catch it over and over, is baffling.

 

[sinnergy]

Covid is known to have long term follow-up problems like ME (fatigue), impaired cognitive function (big stupid), and dysregulation of nervous system (heart rate and blood pressure). To me, the idea that it is just some minor flu that you can easily shrug off, and it is better to have just to get it over with to get some gigachad immune system, even though people who get it can catch it over and over, is baffling.

Most of the world is in denial.. but whatever .

 

[M1chl]

What nonsense rather than confront the data, like a good tool you attempt to character assasinate JC. Twitter files clearly show the debate was stamped out with deplatforming, the broken system that is fact checking and character assasination of anyone with a dissenting opinion.

If John Campbell really had a history of getting his facts wrong, he wouldn't be on YouTube with over 2.5mil subs. You've just cherry picked, when he's done his homework and presented his findings.

Here are the published trials where the data is from:

Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults - PubMed

The excess risk of serious adverse events found in our study points to the need for formal harm-benefit analyses, particularly those that are stratified according to risk of serious COVID-19 outcomes. These analyses will require public release of participant level datasets.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults - PMC

In 2020, prior to COVID-19 vaccine rollout, the Brighton Collaboration created a priority list, endorsed by the World Health Organization, of potential adverse events relevant to COVID-19 vaccines. We adapted the Brighton Collaboration list to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Results

Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6 and 42.2 (95 % CI −0.4 to 20.6 and −3.6 to 33.8), respectively. Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated (95 % CI 2.1 to 22.9); risk ratio 1.43 (95 % CI 1.07 to 1.92). The Pfizer trial exhibited a 36 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group; risk difference 18.0 per 10,000 vaccinated (95 % CI 1.2 to 34.9); risk ratio 1.36 (95 % CI 1.02 to 1.83). The Moderna trial exhibited a 6 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group: risk difference 7.1 per 10,000 (95 % CI –23.2 to 37.4); risk ratio 1.06 (95 % CI 0.84 to 1.33). Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients: risk difference 13.2 (95 % CI −3.2 to 29.6); risk ratio 1.16 (95 % CI 0.97 to 1.39).

Here's another statement of the 1 in 800 serious adverse events from MNRA vaccines within the same trials cited on the BBC by another medical professional.

I really like this, because it just shows how bad covid is. Since you are getting vaccinated by sort of Covid lite, you are getting same adverse effect. I am nearly didn't survived Covid delta and I had to go on to Echocardiography, just to check on heart, I had post covid severe heart arrhythmia and other goodies. Thankfully I have very low blood pressure, which helped me. So yeah, but you get better chance of survival on vaccines, does not mean that it is in this case for free. We are going to see results in 5-10 years, what it truly did.

 

[12Goblins]

it's pretty sad..... my chinese coworker just lost her otherwise healthy dad. she has not been able to visit her family for 3+ years because the excessive quarantine periods and flight costs in china have been absolutely bonkers. we worked in a covid ICU together throughout the entire pandemic and when she got in touch with the doctors treating her dad it was apparent they didnt really know what they were dealing with. She was telling them to pump him full of diuretics since we saw a lot of good outcomes here when doctors did it (as long as your kidneys can afford the toll). His kidney function was normal, but they only ended up giving him tiny doses of furosemide and next time she called he was intubated and she knew it was over. when she told me i could feel the crushing pain she experienced. shes such a wonderful nurse and saved so many lives, and to be so far away and feel so helpless will forever haunt her I am sure

 

[BadBurger]

Published study on long COVID. Depressing read.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2.epdf?sharing_token=8Twn-VkHmRIP57Q3qrEcBNRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0O_Zy0vG793yE8qKjwjatmhGRZRA81zWbiN9rkDkD6aINENcptPUiAZAsJpzahkiLWHz9XWaq2vnMK86N9ebxlqkinzI2fO5dBkWxCNAXBrOqUrl7Rq0MlHELfbmbRv-Nc%3D

 

[Kilau]

3 years in and I finally tested positive for the Covid. Feel awful.

 

[MilkyJoe]

The totals at the end are completely wrong. The deaths in the last three weeks already add up to more than the listed totals. It's 128077 vs 115574 deaths. So according to these stats, 90% of the deaths involving COVID turned out to be due to COVID. Not exactly the grand conspiracy we were expecting. (You need to convert all values to numbers in Excel to get them to sum correctly)

And in terms of how deadly the original strain was, you're looking at around a 99% percent survival rate, with none of those extra 9s.

https://twitter.com/heimbergecon/status/1501889305463205891?lang=en-GB

Of course thanks to vaccines, Omicron being milder and immunity due to past infections, it's now beyond 99.9%. So we're at a point where it is no more deadly than the flu.

Stats are from the ONS

 

[FireFly]

Stats are from the ONS

The stats are fine. It's the column totals that are wrong, which aren't in the ONS submission.

 

[MilkyJoe]

The stats are fine. It's the column totals that are wrong, which aren't in the ONS submission.

It's copy and pasted from the site

 

[FireFly]

It's copy and pasted from the site

This is the link I have, and there are no column totals at the end:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...19ratherthandeathswithin28daysofapositivetest

If you have a different link that includes these, please post this.

 

[nush]

3 years in and I finally tested positive for the Covid. Feel awful.