peish
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but it's not my type of game. what iam seeing, the portalling is just loading a small new area with limited interactivity. on rails if you will
Can Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart on PC match - and exceed - the PS5 experience?
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but it's not my type of game. what iam seeing, the portalling is just loading a small new area with limited interactivity. on rails if you will
Of course its being missed.
You had ppl quoting tweets and just conveniently leaving out the amount of ram used in the tweet.
Its obvious to me why its being missed.
Physiognomonics
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It's not a bug. It's Nixxes we are talking about here and it's still present in Spider-man even after countless patches. It's just that PC hardware can't keep up with this game streaming requirements.
Loading a whole level is one thing as you just need high bandwith but loading textures on the fly just before it's needed is not something PC is good at. For this you need insanely low I/O latency. Something PS5 has being designed for.
mrMUR_96
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This is compared to performance rt as well instead of the fidelity mode.Looks like PS5 has better raytracing reflections
whoops
Midn1ght
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Game runs ok at Native 4K with everything maxed out on a 4090, didn't see a lot of dips below 60.
I highly recommand this YT channel, this guy always deliver quality videos on different high end cards without shenanigans.
No texture streaming issue as well, don't know what was up with Alex version.
Rich also had issue before the test I believe, didn't he say he had to replace 2 motherboards before beginning the test?
I don't mind these 3 ways comparative videos with John, Alex and Rich but I think they should come AFTER the proper deep dive analysis video we're use to see. These look like they're put together in a hurry, without much preparation and with everybody at home, etc... it's just not the best first look you can give to a big new game I think.
I highly recommand this YT channel, this guy always deliver quality videos on different high end cards without shenanigans.
No texture streaming issue as well, don't know what was up with Alex version.
Rich also had issue before the test I believe, didn't he say he had to replace 2 motherboards before beginning the test?
I don't mind these 3 ways comparative videos with John, Alex and Rich but I think they should come AFTER the proper deep dive analysis video we're use to see. These look like they're put together in a hurry, without much preparation and with everybody at home, etc... it's just not the best first look you can give to a big new game I think.
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
OK I FINALLY GOT AN ANSWER AND CONFIRMATION FOR DECK SSD PERF
This video shows off the rift areas with the internal Deck SSD (NOT AN SD CARD) and the loading is.... fine. Not as slow as a HDD/SD but not as fast as a PS5 either. Acceptable!
This video shows off the rift areas with the internal Deck SSD (NOT AN SD CARD) and the loading is.... fine. Not as slow as a HDD/SD but not as fast as a PS5 either. Acceptable!
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Mephisto40
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I don't think you could be more wrong if you tried
Zathalus
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Of course it's a bug. If it was a streaming issue then surely it would happen all the time? But yet all the videos and images posted in this thread have had zero issues except for Digital Foundry. I myself have had no issues in the sections DF pointed out. In the cutscenes with Dr Nefarious I'm having zero streaming issues.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Didn't they say it was related to RT?
Guilty_AI
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peish
is right tho. The only other type of portals in the game are ones that teleports you over small distances in the same level at fixed places, and another that swaps between two instances of the same level, also on fixed spots. I remember seeing another one that connected two levels, once again at a fixed place.
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Zathalus
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No, the RT issue is seperate. I have the same issues that DF pointed out with bad BVH, but RT is maxed out for me and textures are fine.
I'll say one thing though, this game is absolutely murder on PC, looks like you need a 3080/4070 to match the PS5.
Mephisto40
Member
It's not "on rails" though is it
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Going away from the SSD talk for a sec I do love the soft shadows on Ratchet's character model on PC. RTAO at work if I'm not mistaken. I snapped screen from your video for comparison. It does a lot imo to give off CG look. I'm guessing DF will dive deeper into this Friday.
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Guilty_AI
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Those sequences where he keeps jumping between dimensions are very much on rails.
Mephisto40
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Which are about 2% of the game...
Guilty_AI
Member
Which makes it even worse. Those sequences were what they constantly kept advertising the game with, and all the other instances of portals don't look nowhere near as impressive, being far more limited and at fixed spots.
Its not a bad game, but the portal 'mechanics' (if it can even be called that) isn't a good reason to get this, assuming you want the game to play and not just make benchmarks.
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DuduIsDisappointed
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Takes ages on the first portal and lots of stuttering.
Horseganador
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The great effort to prove that Sony was lying and that the SSD was not necessary to match the performance of PS5 in that regard is incredible (those videos of people with a 4090, 64gb of ram, top CPU and mechanical HDD are ridiculous), because so much interest in destroying the effort that Sony made for something that is clearly good for users and developers in the future? It's absurd, we've been like this for years, at least it's been proven that Insomniac didn't lie.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
if youre so inclined you can play it on a Rog Ally and get better visuals than that lol
We still get these games portably. No one would've dreamed about that back in 2021. Much better strategy than Sony making their own dedicated handheld now that i think about it
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Yah. Even a SATA SSD can run this game with next to no performance loss. PS5 should have use a SATA SSD so us console users need not play so much for a gen4 SSD.
Just started on SD and look jaw dropping. Haven't try with unlimited framerate and ultrawide yet on PC.
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Guilty_AI
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Got this video recommended to me and i think he summed things up pretty well. Tested on reasonable hardware, a good gaming pc neither too powerful nor a potato.
Results are basically:
>PCIe SSD runs the game the best.
>SATA SSD still runs the game very well without noticeable change in transition time nor performance.
>SATA HDD and USB flash drive have an awkward wait between portal transitions, but not unplayable.
>MicroSD crashes the game.
Results are basically:
>PCIe SSD runs the game the best.
>SATA SSD still runs the game very well without noticeable change in transition time nor performance.
>SATA HDD and USB flash drive have an awkward wait between portal transitions, but not unplayable.
>MicroSD crashes the game.
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Snake29
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I hope this is a joke?
Ivan
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This is a launch PS5 game which is not THAT heavy on I/O system, it would be interesting to see something that puts it to it's limits. And we JUST got direct storage on PC, without it things would be horrible I guess.
I really hope we're not going to hear ironic "The magic of SSD" bullshit here again. PS5 I/O subsystem is a masterclass of design and should be copied across the industry, not ridiculed.
I really hope we're not going to hear ironic "The magic of SSD" bullshit here again. PS5 I/O subsystem is a masterclass of design and should be copied across the industry, not ridiculed.
roosnam1980
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ps5 pushing PC tech forward
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
you know this is true actually. afterall without this game Directstorage would probably not get any use in any PC release for the next like 2 years lmao
ToTTenTranz
Banned
It runs the game very well at what settings? Is the guy in that video running the game at the PS5 IQ settings?
He's clearly not, because it seems he disabled any form of raytracing, so he's not loading any BVH structures from the I/O. And what texture resolution / mipmap LOD is he using? Shadowmap LOD?
These will have an impact on I/O. If you're running the game out of a 550MB/s SATA SSD then the only way it's not getting noticeable changes in transition is if the game is never loading more than 1100MB/s of assets at any given time. If you're running settings on low then this isn't a problem. If OTOH you're maxing out RT + Texture detail + shadows + geometry in a game like this then it's definitely going above 1100MB/s because we can already see the PS5 outperforming a 7500MB/s PC SSD with directstorage pushing 15000MB/s decompressed data.
Yes, there were no PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives back when this game started its development nor were there any PS5 devkits with final hardware, so my guess is Insomniac started this game's production on 3500MB/s NVMe drives.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I'm surprised how long wide adoption is taking. Even on Playstation, I think R&C is the only game that really uses these new features. On Xbox? I cannot count a single one but am thinking Starfield might do it.
Old habits die hard and devs simply don't seem interested enough to change their storage management subsystem to take advantage of these new tools. Star Citizen for instance requires an SSD not to stutter and does actually push SSDs, even without DirectStorage, and that's all thanks to them revamping their storage management subsystem. Just that alone would tremendously help over the archaic solutions in placed that were used back when HDDs speed was still the limiting factor. The technology has greatly outpaced the developers.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The game isn't using more than 11 gb of ram And vram. You can see it in Alex's video.
Hogwarts uses 25 gb of system ram alone. That's not happening here.
The game runs on hdds because the loading is cpu bound. If the loading was ssd bound, you wouldn't be seeing 2 second portals on the ps5, it would've been instantaneous because the ps5 can do 9 gbps.
The blizar prime level is just losfing the assets directly into vram. They sit there while you hit the crystal to change the look of the level. Again you can see it in the video because the vram and system ram pools hardly change when they hit the crystal.
That's because it's running on a very weak PC lol, the game runs excellently with HDD on a beefy PC. The power of SSD is only real when running on a potato PC, lol.
Check my post above, the game runs almost perfect on HDD when not running on potato PC. CPU is more important than SSD here.
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roosnam1980
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sata ssd causes performance issues even on a beefy pc during that rift portal sequence
Thirty7ven
Banned
It doesn't shock me anymore but it still feels bitter because they have a big platform in this space.
Well, here it's running on HDD and works just fine. Sure it's not SSD perfect, but Digital Foundry were misleading people when using very old PS4 HDD as an example and running it on lowest possible configuration for this game. The reality is that the CPU and GPU Ram were the real issue and not the SSD. Very poor stuff from DF.
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roosnam1980
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point is that the fast sequence does not run the way it is supposed to.
Runs well enough and better than expected on HDD. It could run even better if the game was optimised for HDDs, which it clearly isn't. All the SSD hype for this game was just a piss in the wind.
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OverHeat
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Runs the same as PS5 version? What settings .?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Slide show?Look good but played like a slideshow compared to my pc
That gaming tech guy is a pc shill.Around 50fps in 4k rt mode with 120hz unlocked vrr. 90fps in performance rt around 1440p
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OverHeat
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My oled monitor native refresh rate is a bare minimum 175fps or bustSlide show?
Around 50fps in 4k rt mode with 120hz unlocked vrr. 90fps in performance rt around 1440p
Mister Wolf
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Slide show?
Around 50fps in 4k rt mode with 120hz unlocked vrr. 90fps in performance rt around 1440p
Playing at 50fps is nothing to write home about. Neither is playing at 1440p.
Zathalus
Member
Well, the 4k RT mode is around 1800p with drops and the performance RT mode actually drops to 1080p. Unlocking the framerate does mean the DRS needs to be more aggressive. No free lunch as they say.Slide show?
Around 50fps in 4k rt mode with 120hz unlocked vrr. 90fps in performance rt around 1440p
Regardless, it still performa much better on PS5 then equivalent PC hardware, which seems to be a trend with Sony ports.
Pharaoh 117
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And you can't really ask for any more than that.
It's a maxed out PC so probably running everything on ultra. Settings don't matter since the argument was that the game can't run on HDD or can't run on it competently, not that it can't run on a weak PC or moderate settings. The fact is on a well specd PC the game runs well on HDD. You got some slight delay when portals are loading, but that's minor gripe when taking into account that this game was apparently never meant to run on HDD.
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It's barely scratching the surface. Sony first-party games can have an interesting time and space-bending gameplay mechanics for example if the devs will try. Can't wait to see what the first-party games are cooking taking advantage of the PS5 SSD and I/O system.
Kataploom
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Wait, so they didn't even use PCI-e 4.0 but 3.0 drive? Hell we're basically in 5.0 already. They should have see meat tried with a 4.0 drive
Didn't even crack the top 100 ccu on steam on launch day, peaked around ~8700. Not sure if it's the good will burn't on tlou1 or just not something pc players care to drop full price on. For comparison Remnant 2 cracked the top 10 with 83k ccu today even with the outcry about it's performance.