Is Cyberpunk much better than Starfield?
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G-DannY
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nani17
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I'll make my judgment after stairfield has the same length of time to fix itself and the same amount of patches to fix itself like cyberpunk has.
I'm not defending starfield but how many more threads yes I know you pointed it out but how many more threads are we going to see about games that launched absolutely in shit and compare to a game that just came out. Sure why don't we compare it to battlefield 2042 next.
I'm not defending starfield but how many more threads yes I know you pointed it out but how many more threads are we going to see about games that launched absolutely in shit and compare to a game that just came out. Sure why don't we compare it to battlefield 2042 next.
Tomeru
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Because the version of cyberpunk you play today is not the version that was released.
When you buy cyberpunk today, or if you bought it at release - its the same version 2.0 now.
You can make a thread about comparing how cyberpunk was vs how starfield is (should make for some lols I guess, but nothing else). You can also compare to bf2042.
Cyberpunk at launch was still better.
nani17
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol yes. But then again, those ps3 era moments are exclusive to outdoor levels which I honestly havent played much. For whatever reason, all faction quests have either been set in space ships or indoor bases.
I would say in my experience, especially in the last 20 hours or so, its been extremely consistent.
Of course once i dwelve into side content and outpost building, things might change. But im 35 hours in and i rarely visit ugly planets.
Bojji
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Sure
Not on last gen of course.
For me, CP at launch was better than starfield in most ways. I even had less bugs on launch day in CP on PC than in first few hours of Starfield.
Now (2.0) Cyberpunk is better in all categories.
Is one pic supposed to mean anything? Game had crashes on ps5 but I stand by what I said. Cyberpunk at launch was still better.
Sure
nani17
are in a big trouble
Did Starfield have playstation allow players to refund games?? Again Starfield isn't amazing but cyberpunk was trash in comparison but cyberpunk now is a thousand times better
On PS5 Cyberpunk was fine and better than Starfield. One blurry face pic and the fact last gen users got fucked isn't my problem.
nani17
are in a big trouble
? If I played it on ps5 why would I care about people who played it on ps4? Im speaking for myself.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Not defending character graphics in general or for a console, they said everything about Starfield is a down grade from other Bethesda games and that's just not true in the slightest. The character models look better. The facial animations are better. Very obvious stuff if you actually play the game.
You add nothing to this thread and I'm glad others are also seeing it.
I have to agree.
Playing it myself, it looks far better then Fallout 4 and its something you need to see while playing it as a random screen shot here or there isn't really going to show all those differences you see in real time. So even I was critical at first regarding how it looked, but spending time on the game and installing the mod to remove the filter, it looks amazing. I'm sure they'll update the main city lol I'm also sure a shit ton of mods will be made that make the city look different, but visually, I can't really say Starfield is a downgrade from Fallout 4.
Yerd
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I'm way more engaged in Starfield than I ever was in CP. I do plan to get back into it, eventually. But Starfield was able to grab my interest and keep it. For the time being.
You can see the Bethesda engine when you deal with NPCs. It's clearly limiting what they could do with this game.
When you analyze the video comparison in the OP. You have a glorified cinematic QTE in CP2077 vs a clearly in engine mess of NPC pathing problems. I have personally gone through that quest in Starfield and every time I return to the city and load into the ship area, all the NPCs are running away from that guy still. Even though he's long gone.
You can see the Bethesda engine when you deal with NPCs. It's clearly limiting what they could do with this game.
When you analyze the video comparison in the OP. You have a glorified cinematic QTE in CP2077 vs a clearly in engine mess of NPC pathing problems. I have personally gone through that quest in Starfield and every time I return to the city and load into the ship area, all the NPCs are running away from that guy still. Even though he's long gone.
Mediocre Arachno-Lad
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Starfield could release in 2013 and still be outdated. That was the year of GTA5, Last Of Us, Bioshock Infinite, BF4 and AC Black flag.
Hell, Starfield could release in 2014, THE year of videogame mediocrity, and still lose GOTY to Shadow Of Mordor.
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Unknown Soldier
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LOL, the silent majority spoke loud and clear on that poll
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I would never go that far.
Starfield releases in 2013, let me remind you...at this time Star Citizen wasn't a playable thing for the public, No Man Sky has not released and Elite Dangerous has not released.
Who the fuck would we compare it in 2013 if it indeed released then? For actual single player RPGs, they would be in a class of their own and even looking at all those games, they still technically are as I don't know another single player RPG like this that exist right now, the other titles are either action focused or don't have a story and its a play on your own type thing or MP based etc.
Today I bought the expansion and fired up CP2077 for the first time since getting my new PC. I was absolutely blown away by the lighting, the detail, the sounds and music. The game really is impressive and starts you off with interesting content immediately.
Starfield does feel bland and stiff in comparison in pretty much every way. THAT SAID, I still love Starfield and depending on the mod scene will probably put dozens of hours into it. The vibe and that kind of sci-fi is totally my jam. I want to live in that world. CP2077 is awesome but I'll probably put in one complete run, do everything I can, and be done with it.
Starfield does feel bland and stiff in comparison in pretty much every way. THAT SAID, I still love Starfield and depending on the mod scene will probably put dozens of hours into it. The vibe and that kind of sci-fi is totally my jam. I want to live in that world. CP2077 is awesome but I'll probably put in one complete run, do everything I can, and be done with it.
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Pimpbaa
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CP2077 with expansion are definitely way better. I just wish the cd projekt red would hurry up and fix that damn bug where you can't call your car (saving and reloading temporarily fixes it, but it keeps happening). Starfield has bugs too (Akila city save bug, and generally bugginess with outposts), but it hasn't been out for 3+ years.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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There's more to Bethesda games than killing random bandits.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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You have more freedom i.e roleplay better. CP is much more linear i.e there's less sandbox to do your own thing and be who you wanna be. Both games are good but CDPR focused on a cinematic first person experience with crazy setpieces while BGS focused on the same thing they always do: sim features and systems. Watch any Todd interview about Starfield and you'll hear it over and over again (there was a recent one with one of Insomniacs leaders).
Topher
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Don't need to watch Howard talk. I've finished Starfield and currently playing Cyberpunk. What I see more of in Starfield is things to do like building an outpost or scanning planets, things like that. That doesn't make it more of an RPG. Neither is being more/less a sandbox. Cinematic has nothing to do with it, neither does first person or set pieces. So nah, still don't see Starfield being any more of a RPG than Cyberpunk.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
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One reason Cyberpunk trumps Starfield is because it gives off a real sense of place.
Walk around Dogtown and then walk around Neon.
Walk around Dogtown and then walk around Neon.
Flutta
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What are you talking about
Did you play CP77 on PC when it released? Clearly not… Game was solid and it didn't look like it was made during the PS3 era.
vaibhavpisal
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What are you talking about
Yes. I saw my nephew play it. Ending was something like this.
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nani17
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It was perfectWhat are you talking about
Game was solid and it didn't look like it was made during the PS3 era.
YeulEmeralda
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graywolf323
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Freeman76
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Having now finished Starfield and realising the NG+ concept kills the main draw of Bethesda games entirely, I feel better qualified to give my verdict. I am nearly through Phantom Liberty now as well.
They have very different aims, but overall Cyberpunk is the better game for me. It has so much depth to it, so much customisation options and builds. It makes Starfield look like Pacman in that regard. Starfield they didnt even bother with weapon descriptions or anything like that.
Starfield has the base and ship building sure, and the shipbuilding is incredible, until you realise NG+ means you lose that beauty you put 10 hours into. Base building is pointless, and shallow as fuck anyway.
Starfield has amazing exploration, they nailed it, but Cyberpunk beats it there too because they made such a detailed city with a perfect atmosphere wherever you go.
Starfield has copy/paste locations in way too many places, which takes the point out of exploring, whereas Cyberpunk gives you cool shit for poking around.
The choices in Starfield are stupid. One has you either making half the enemies in the game friendly, or losing access to the best hub in the game. Whoever came up with that idea?
Cyberpunks choices dont seem to matter either, so its a draw there.
I think in 2/3 years time Starfield could be the better game if they work on it, but for now CP2077 is king for me.
They have very different aims, but overall Cyberpunk is the better game for me. It has so much depth to it, so much customisation options and builds. It makes Starfield look like Pacman in that regard. Starfield they didnt even bother with weapon descriptions or anything like that.
Starfield has the base and ship building sure, and the shipbuilding is incredible, until you realise NG+ means you lose that beauty you put 10 hours into. Base building is pointless, and shallow as fuck anyway.
Starfield has amazing exploration, they nailed it, but Cyberpunk beats it there too because they made such a detailed city with a perfect atmosphere wherever you go.
Starfield has copy/paste locations in way too many places, which takes the point out of exploring, whereas Cyberpunk gives you cool shit for poking around.
The choices in Starfield are stupid. One has you either making half the enemies in the game friendly, or losing access to the best hub in the game. Whoever came up with that idea?
Cyberpunks choices dont seem to matter either, so its a draw there.
I think in 2/3 years time Starfield could be the better game if they work on it, but for now CP2077 is king for me.
balls of snow
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Honest question what wrpg has GOOD inventory ui anyway. Its either DestIny like or crapton of junk you have to do busy work to keep tidy.
Topher
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Fair point. UI is rarely a strength in WRPGs. I look at the StarfieldUI inventory mod and I see what should have been done there. I think perhaps these studios believe their game artists are the ones who are best suited for this stuff, but UI design should really done by usability experts and those folks are not necessarily artists. Of course, I'm making some assumptions there, but that's really the only reasons I can come up with for the lack of good UI implementation in games.
Reminds me, I was watching the Cyberpunk devs talk on 2.0 launch day about how they removed the damage per second metric from the weapons as if that was a good thing. Hopefully some modder will come in and put that back in. Useful information isn't bad.
What are the results? I can't see them.
At the top of the page.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, but I have serious doubts that the majority of folks voting in that poll have played both games.
Topher
Identifies as young
Agree with the sentiment, but they are both great RPGs.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
They are two different games, aiming for very different things. Starfield is going for an old school optimistic humanity reaching out to the stars and realizing its noble utopian promise.
Cyberpunk is a gritty look at a dystopian future where technology has intertwined with humanity and amplified its baser instincts to create a world where the power hungry rule with violence.
One is inherently more resonant with today's society and is also a much better fit for a video game. I think the fundamental idea behind Starfield was flawed - it's both a not very exciting world and also has been done to death in various media over literal centuries.
Cyberpunk is a gritty look at a dystopian future where technology has intertwined with humanity and amplified its baser instincts to create a world where the power hungry rule with violence.
One is inherently more resonant with today's society and is also a much better fit for a video game. I think the fundamental idea behind Starfield was flawed - it's both a not very exciting world and also has been done to death in various media over literal centuries.
DanielG165
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They're both completely different games that just happen to be RPGs. I play and enjoy both of them regularly.
Boss Mog
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Cyberpunk was great on day 1 on PC, It's on consoles that there was an issue because it only launched on PS4 and XB1, which couldn't really handle the game, especially the base consoles. The PS5 and XSX versions that launched last year were great from day 1 as well. The notion that Cyberpunk was ever a bad game is a myth that simply isn't true.
Topher
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The game wasn't "bad" on PC, but it certainly wasn't great either. It had a lot of problems and they were not isolated to base consoles. These issues are a big reason why version 2.0 exists today.
Yawn. Pick one.
Boss Mog
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People complaining about the police was always nonsense to me because you never really interact with police if you play the game normally. You have to go out of your way to kill civilians to get them to bother you which doesn't fit V's character at all. Cyberpunk wasn't supposed to be GTA.
Personally I'm not happy with a lot of the changes in version 2.0 which gutted and oversimplified many of the RPG aspects of the game. If I could go back to 1.63 to play Phantom Liberty, I would.
I think the police complaints could be more immersion than anything else. And now that 2.0, and i'd guess other patches previously I skipped, have made the world much more lively with both regular people and police everywhere on ps5, it def adds a nice touch to the 'feel' of Night City.
Topher
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Well, if you were already happy with how the game was then I can definitely get that. I do think you are in the minority, however, considering how well the changes have been received. But that doesn't invalidate your take on it at all, mind you. For me, I couldn't get into CP at launch and it was my most anticipated game for some time as a big CDPR fan. The update has breathed new life into the game for me and feels like a brand new release.
I do think they should let you revert back to the previous version if you want to.
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BootsLoader
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He will join the chess club again.
nowhat
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Yeah, but that's my choice to bear.