MarkMe2525
Banned
Thank you, it's weird to present speculation as fact and as a basis for a claim.
Edit: "Weird" is too strong, "unhelpful" would be better
I don't know. Does my belief matter to the truth of your claim?
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Phil Spencer: "You are going to see more of our games on more platforms"
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Edit: "Weird" is too strong, "unhelpful" would be better
alphachino
Member
If MS start putting all their games on PS, I will start giving them money again. Until then, not a penny. I honestly can't stand their ecosystem. I still use windows for some gaming, but once support for 10 ends, it looks like it's bye bye from me for good if they continue along their AI path.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Does (or would) AI integration, into an OS, keep you from using it?
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pasterpl
Member
That list is mostly 3rd party.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Doom day-and-date PS5 release is a huge flag of things to come sooner than later.
Alan Wake
Member
That was embarrasing.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Anything with a service needs to go everywhere. Gears, Halo etc. Forza Horizon would be huge on PS5 and sell boatloads so those three games would be multi million sellers alone. If that funds my gamepass then go for it...plus I got more people to play with.
pasterpl
Member
Didn't spencer said himself after acquiring Bethesda that games/IPs that have huge community outside Xbox will remain most likely multi platform? Doom was always multi platform, same with Diablo (where it makes even less sense to make DLC exclusive). Also we are seeing recently that MS is loosening their single console approach.
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
There were no reasons not to delay the PS5 launch window for 6 months at least. MS was fully in command to do so, especially after they cancelled the PS5 version of Starfield mid-development.
And in the end they've decided to earn money instead. Nobody can blame them.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I think DOOM needed to be day one. Same for next elder scrolls.
Doom is gaming history and it's always been multiplatform. It was even on Nintendo platforms.
Not fair to take that from people.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I'm talking strictly about day-and-date. DOOM was bound to be multiplat, but Microsoft could've leverage their IP to boost GamepPass with delayed release tactics easily. They didn't.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Leverage DOOM? I just don't think that's really fair for DOOM.
I think that game was always going to be multiplat.
Saying that. More games will come day and date. Time for everyone to accept that.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
I think if your average consumer spends far more on software than hardware, it would be logical to make the software as available as possible.
balls of snow
Member
Its the right call. Why fuck over the devs over your own fuck up in selling a console. As a banger of an event that showcase was, I wont be buying anything on xbox. Just on steam and ps5.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
It's bizarre isn't.
PeteBull
Member
With this aproach next gen xbox gonna sell less than wiiu, pc players gonna play on pc, playstation players will play on playstation, and the remaining(currently under 30m series S+X) xbox players gonna realise there is literally only negatives of chosing xbox, aka u gonna be cockblocked from playing pc/playstation games if u owe it, so it will be worst choice of a platform .
bitbydeath
Member
If Netflix put all their content on Amazon then few people would subscribe to Netflix.
TheRedRiders
Member
Please give me Fable on PS5.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Is any revealed to be exclusive to the Xbox? Even with the games we know for certain are coming to the PS5, they did the "show and tell" thing and saw to it that only core Xbox (and PC) supported platforms were shown. At no point was the word exclusive used though. And that should be telling being that MS pretty much conned the term "console exclusive".
If anything what I am finding interesting, is the number of games from third parties, that are also on gamepass but will also likely be sold on PS.
Just going to quote myself from Thursday last week....
At least this time Phil has just put the matter to rest and said more of their stuff will be coming to other platforms.
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Mr.ODST
Member
Yeah but its not right if dick riders cant make it all about them and make people
Feel shit about owning a certain plastic box.
Either way, I see it as get all these games at a monthly one off fee or buy the games seperatley for full price on other platforms, just your choice what you play on.
For example I spend £300 a month on games, I like a huge majority of the Xbox show so gamepass would most likely save me money, if you play only COD then probably not as you'd spend more than just buying it normally.
Either way I think multi-platform is starting to be the way to go, look at Capcom and how well they are doing, MS probably just wants to recreate that.
Another example, I love halo but the userbase is dwindling, love for MCC and infinite to get that boost again on PC with PS5 players.
Also for those going on about studio closures, Sony has done the same and they have tons of money? - businesses need to cut losses simple as.
Double standards on here are too funny, in a way Xbox brand is dead from an exclusives point, maybe they have to create consoles as a platform because PS and Nintendo wont let them be on their platforms
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The non answer about Tango and zero follow up on it and the cheers from a section in the audience tells me all I needed to know about who attended it and what the purpose was… beautiful how the interviewer went straight into the Activision-Blizzard purchase very rapidly as to say "well we know why this is happening… or one of the big catalysts so let's go into that and try to spin it without connecting the dots for people formally".
RyanEvans21
Member
Game Pass is free?
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
They're changing the strategy and focusing on service now. If you're on PC then you'll buy their games there full price or subscribe to GP. If you're on other consoles you'll buy their games full price. People who want subscription will buy an Xbox and subscribe to GP.
Negotiator101
Member
Although I don't necessarily disagree I do feel that the continued push behind Gamepass must be yielding results and is not this black hole eating money.
7yrs in and Gamepass is improving which tells me the funding is more than ever. I don't see a company like Microsoft keeping a sinking ship afloat for 7yrs that doesn't make sense.
The multiplatform approach currently still looks like select titles rather than across the board. While theres an Xbox (the console) full third-party doesn't make sense but we'll see.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yes, one loves double standards when trying to make it a Sony-Too deflection now Sony is not in trouble or a laughing stock compared to the MS war chest and has tons of money and comparable to MS in size/value (and is also spending almost $80 Billion in acquiring multiplatform publishers and is hell bent in destroying game value with a GamePass like strategy…
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sunk cost fallacy is a thing. GamePass is not picking up many people on PC and Xbox as a platform is lagging and growth is thus stagnating and people are buying less and less software which hurts first and third parties too.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
I hate to break it to you, but AI is going to become the future or the core of every major OS on the planet. It simply allows for OS's to be used in the most organic human-like way/interface possible.
For me, when I became a believer of it, I was trying to import my media library from what was my Linux server to a Windows 11 PC. At the time I just had enough of Linux, it started to get annoying with all the micro managing and noticing that otherwise simple things are just more complicated on Linux.
Anyways, everything was on Ext4, and short of some third party paying for this or that on Windows, I wouldn't be able to copy and paste my 20TB strong library to the new system I was building. I basically needed to recursively copy the entire file path tree of my media folders but leave out the actual content. And for the life of me I didn't know how to do that. I literally just asked a question in the co-pilot preview and it showed me a detailed walkthrough of how to get it done.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Probably. In this scenario you present, if Netflix was able to abstract more profit from it's content this way, is that bad for Netflix?
Mr.Phoenix
Member
I have said this before, and I will say it again. I believe at some point, gamepass will be on PS platforms. Just the same way we have EA Play. It could be a $70/year or $10/month service and only have MS-published games on it. The games will also be on sale on the PS store too. Just where I see MS going.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Errrrr.....Yeah that's an edited clip to fit a narrative I guess. In reality it was like a twenty minute talk where they said everything except only four games are ever going MP. Hell right after that cut out clip he went on to say software exclusive to one platform will be less and less in the future.
Not only that but GAF has been flooded with posts and threads about all the games coming to PS5, specifically because MS didn't hammer it down that no further games were coming.
So on one hand we've had weeks of posts about "Phil didn't say no more games are coming!" and now it's "Oh man he threw down this ironclad PROMISE that only those four games are coming!!"
It's cute, but it's child talk. Do you not get tired of being a child?
What you are showing here, is a classic case of not being able to see the forest from the trees.
You will learn.
bitbydeath
Member
Not bad, just different, and people should be able to acknowledge the difference.
Negotiator101
Member
Opinions or facts? If it's the latter show the evidence?
MarkMe2525
Banned
It would also be a fallacy to assume a fallacy
. You could be right, but there is no way for us to know, atm.
MarkMe2525
Banned
That quite literally was the point, the user you responded to, was making. "It's not bad. Things are going to be different. Get used it" (I'm paraphrasing of course).
And your response
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Do you have data of the latter or just assumptions? No company is going to burn money just because.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
In this case, you're getting all the Netflix content by subscribing to Netflix or buying individual Netflix shows on Amazon.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Lots of speculation being presented as fact in here. What's new, it's neogaf (or better yet.. "it's the Internet)
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
It was just a handfull of die-hard Xbox fans saying only 4 games would come.Yeah that's an edited clip to fit a narrative I guess. In reality it was like a twenty minute talk where they said everything except only four games are ever going MP. Hell right after that cut out clip he went on to say software exclusive to one platform will be less and less in the future.
Not only that but GAF has been flooded with posts and threads about all the games coming to PS5, specifically because MS didn't hammer it down that no further games were coming.
So on one hand we've had weeks of posts about "Phil didn't say no more games are coming!" and now it's "Oh man he threw down this ironclad PROMISE that only those four games are coming!!"
It's cute, but it's child talk. Do you not get tired of being a child?
Anyone with a functional brain and good hearing knew Spencer said more games would come.
Jibran#one
Member
Paid like 120 for 3 years , that's less than 2 games at launch.
Still good till 2026 September and by that time next gen will come so we will see where we go from there
Jibran#one
Member
Salty motherfukers all around
I'm ok with people paying 70 for bo6 and it's on gamepass day 1
More people can join in the game more people to play with
Xbox is a gamepass machine now
There is 0 reason to buy Xbox without gamepass
And no matter how salty and butt hurt u are u can't deny the insane value of gamepass.
I'm ok with people paying 70 for bo6 and it's on gamepass day 1
More people can join in the game more people to play with
Xbox is a gamepass machine now
There is 0 reason to buy Xbox without gamepass
And no matter how salty and butt hurt u are u can't deny the insane value of gamepass.
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
I would go as far as say... not opinion, nor facts... just common sense. But we seem to be at a point now where common sense is no longer common and we can't use our own brains to think and instead need everything to be spoon-fed to us.
I dare say there is. As I said above, common sense.It would also be a fallacy to assume a fallacy
Its that same common sense that made some of us call out exactly what is happening now... over 5 years ago. Simple common sense that allowed some of us see what path lay ahead for Xbox.
I'll put it this way, around 2019, I said in "another forum", the following
- Day one gamepass would not exist if MS were still able to move 10M+ copies of game sales at full or close to full price on any of their tent pole IPs.
- gamepass on PC would not exist if gamepass on Xbox on its own was sustainable.
- if there is not a significant rise in the install base of gamepass, MS will get to a point where they would have to release their games on other platforms, which would include Playstation. And I doubled down on this the second MS started buying publishers out.
Now I am no genius, and definitely not some sort of prophet. But everything I said above, however many years ago... was just common sense. And this is one of the reasons I have been saying for a while that I do not trust MS. Because, to me, this progression of events was obvious, but I suspected MS would go about it in the most dubious and shady of ways as they tend to do with almost everything else they touch. And that is exactly what they have done.
Eg... in February this year, just a few short months ago when Phil came on and clearly said, just these four games are coming, and no one should take this as a sign of things to come, at that time, he KNEW that a fair number of other games were already being worked on for the PS. And mind you, at the time they acquired Bethesda, they flat-out said that future Bethesda games would be exclusive to Xbox.
Let's not forget the $400+ upfront investment cost to subscribe to Netflix if we are going to keep using their weird analogy.
I don't know man... as it stands, I would sooner take the ramblings of some random poster on GAF over anything that MS says. Sounds crazy I know, but how many times does a company need to talk out of both sides of its mouth for people to realize that nothing they say can be trusted?
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FunkMiller
Banned
Getting cucked Xbox fanboys to ask questions of the man who runs Xbox is the biggest waste of time imaginable.