DF: Upscaling Face-Off: FSR 3.1 vs DLSS 3.7/ XeSS 1.3 - Has AMD Improved?
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
FSR is still garbage.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Didn't watch but I'll bet it's still shit.
It's the only thing that pisses me off about the 7900 XTX (and random driver timeout crashes when I played Control recently).
It's the only thing that pisses me off about the 7900 XTX (and random driver timeout crashes when I played Control recently).
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Amd still loses...
joking
TheTurboFD
Member
Meh I only care about FSR in games so that my steam deck gets more FPS. Needs all the help it can get .
Killer8
Member
About the only use cases FSR will soon have for it are as a sort of poor man's DLSS substitute for AMD card users, keeping the limping consoles framerates up, and to make games running on Steam Deck at below native resolutions somewhat more bearable.
Nvidia card users will always use the superior DLSS (*unless there's an AMD marketing deal in place), Switch 2 will likely use a form of DLSS (given it's Nvidia hardware powering it), and on consoles Sony are moving in their own direction with PSSR, and probably Microsoft too with Auto SR.
Eventually the open source nature of it won't even matter much as nowhere but AMD people will be using it (and even then, i'd expect to see a hardware accelerated version on those cards soon). Nice idea but a flash in the pan.
Nvidia card users will always use the superior DLSS (*unless there's an AMD marketing deal in place), Switch 2 will likely use a form of DLSS (given it's Nvidia hardware powering it), and on consoles Sony are moving in their own direction with PSSR, and probably Microsoft too with Auto SR.
Eventually the open source nature of it won't even matter much as nowhere but AMD people will be using it (and even then, i'd expect to see a hardware accelerated version on those cards soon). Nice idea but a flash in the pan.
Or for Ampere and Turing users to get Frame Generation.
bender
What time is it?
Upscalers...
#Native4Life
Upscalers...
they will get inevitably better to the point no one will know, we're not there yet, but I can play a game upscaled from a decent source resolution and forget about it while playing.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
AMD Working on an AI-powered FSR Upscaling Algorithm
AMD CTO Mark Papermaster confirmed that AMD is working on a new upscaling technology that leverages AI. A key technological difference between AMD FSR and competing solutions NVIDIA DLSS and Intel XeSS, has been AMD's remarkable restraint in implementing AI in any part of the upscaler's...
Mister Wolf
Member
An ant vs an elephant.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Patents.
DLSS is very clever and NVidia owns all the best patents.
AMD can't infringe on NVidia's IP and Nvidia is an unreasonably stingy-ass company that would want and arm and a leg in royalties to use their IP. So, AMD has to use their own inferior tech.
For many problems like image reconstruction, there are only a few possible ways to skin a cat; and even fewer really good and really efficient ways within that larger superset.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I wonder what DLSS improvements Nvidia has in store for Blackwell?
Killer8
Member
I reckon they'll eventually offer a sort of blend of DLSS with their Freestyle graphics filters to completely change the look of games in real time. Like this:
ChuckeRearmed
Member
I still find it fascinating how Intel was able to come up with a better solution than AMD out of the gate.
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SolidQ
Member
Nope, Xess not always better
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The tests were done at 1440p with FSR Balanced as it is something most mid to low-end GPUs would use. FSR at 4K in Quality has fewer issues and is generally competent.No doubt DLSS is the best but some of the takes here are pretty hyperbolic. I use FSR quality on my 4k LG C1 where needed and find it to still be a great image.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
FSR 3.1 frame gen is pretty good and really useful for non-Ada cards.
That hasn't stopped XeSS or MetalFX or the upcoming PSSR. Realistically, AMD doesn't have dedicated units for AI acceleration, and we see that the Intel XeSS DP4a path isn't always better than FSR on AMD hardware when normalized for performance. So right now it probably wouldn't be super worthwhile for them to invest in A.I upscaling, but that will likely change with future hardware.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
I can't believe how late AMD is on the upscaling game, it's barely budging, still at the bottom of the food chain.
Will Sony just give them the recipe to PSSR? They badly need it.
Will Sony just give them the recipe to PSSR? They badly need it.
SolidQ
Member
1.Consoles can't handle at decent speed
2. APU's need more powerful for AI
3. AMD not type company, which lock only for RDNA3
4. When time is come, they will do it
Sure, it should be coming with the PS5 Pro and PSSR. We don't yet know what the situation will be on PC though.
SolidQ
Member
Sony asking them give 300tops for PSSR, they easily do it.
If devs ask make super duper RT for PS6, they will do it.
GustavoLT
Neophyte
Spiderman/Miles are crashing when using DLSS+AmdFG!
Was hoping for better motion improvements but at least stability is better than it was, so it's a slight boost, eyes are on their AI version which is rumoured to be close to PSSR on the PS5 Pro.
Also I love how fast
Leonidas
is when it comes to making threads to dunk on AMD, this is near olympic speeds. 
Also I love how fast
Leonidas
is when it comes to making threads to dunk on AMD, this is near olympic speeds. Unknown Soldier
Member
I'm very interested in seeing how Switch 2 with DLSS compares with PS5 with whatever shit devs use to upscale on that console
The Switch 2 has a much weaker GPU by specs but with DLSS upscaling it will punch well above its weight compared to the RDNA2 inside the PS5
The Switch 2 has a much weaker GPU by specs but with DLSS upscaling it will punch well above its weight compared to the RDNA2 inside the PS5
MrTroubleMaker
Member
let me guess....no.....does anyone have the notes that could post ? I dont give eurogaamer my clicks
Unknown Soldier
Member
DLSS and XeSS both use AI, FSR doesn't
That's literally the answer, FSR is a simple mathematical algorithm upscaling versus DLSS/XeSS which is machine learning AI upscaling with Skynet capability
Because Intel came out of the gate using the same fundamental concept as Nvidia, they have an actual hardware domain in Arc GPU which is for AI like the Tensor unit in the Nvidia GPU and XeSS uses that hardware to perform AI upscaling trained on millions of images of games like Nvidia does
FSR just a simple mathematical algorithm, and as long as AMD doesn't use AI for FSR it will never get any better than it is
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SirKicksalot
Member
They should take another look at Avatar on PC. It's still on 3.0 but over the last few patches they Frankensteined a custom version that eliminated certain artifacts while improving other things, like UI integration.
The thing about Avatar is that DLSS is incapable of rendering clouds correctly. It's maddening, especially in the plains where the sky is always visible. FSR has some ghosting and pixelation, DLSS makes half the screen jitter. Throw in frame generation and FSR is a no-brainer on my 3080.
The thing about Avatar is that DLSS is incapable of rendering clouds correctly. It's maddening, especially in the plains where the sky is always visible. FSR has some ghosting and pixelation, DLSS makes half the screen jitter. Throw in frame generation and FSR is a no-brainer on my 3080.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
My only experience mixing them so far was Rift Apart which works fine. I just tried Spider-Man Remastered for about an hour and didn't have any issues on 4060 Ti 16GB.
- Image Stability is better for still objects
- Quality is improved a bit
- Movement is slightly better but still far worse compared to the rest
Overall an improvement over 2.2 but not as big as a jump most of us wanted.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Well.... it improved
Unknown Soldier
Member
I don't know what AMD thinks they are doing, but Intel has quietly been putting their driver house in order and the vast majority of games work fine with Arc now. If Battlemage turns out pretty good it is likely to start seriously stealing what remains of AMD's GPU market share and the last thing AMD wants is to get into a price war with Intel in the GPU market because Intel prices Arc to move
Vampire On Titus
Member
I've had really good results in R&C with DLSS upscaling and FSR 3.1 frame gen.
MikeM
Member
Yeah I guess my use case is more the exception
Kenpachii
Member
Bojji
Member
It can get better. I said this before but Alex confirmed it in this video, TSR has better quality than FSR and it's just simple math that can run on anything, no Ai needed for that.
AMD for some reason just can't get there.
They should make FSR with ML that would run on Ai units in RDNA3 (and beyond) and in DP4A on RDNA2 like Xess.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Upscalers...
Why?
DLSS oftentimes looks better than native and you get huge performance gains.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
lol not in any of the games ive tried it on. in cyberpunk specially I got horrible issues with detailed repeating textures becoming weird patterns with it on. I much rather turn down settings if need be.