Dragon Age: The Veilguard lets you choose top surgery scars in character creator

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THIS! 100% on point! I don't have children but if I did they wouldn't be allowed to play a game that had any of this gender nonsense in it. I'd probably just give them a 3DS or PS2 and have them avoid modern consoles altogether until they were older.
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Okay, so don't let them play it - that's the answer surely? Rather than demanding they take it out…

Don't see how this argument is any different to the other people who argue against violence in games and think video games lead to an increase in violent tendencies.

And unless I'm wrong, most people here are of the opinion that it's 'just a game' and games don't influence behavior. Right? Right? (Which is my consistent position on both ridiculous takes)

Or is it just pixel scars and pronouns that carry influence, and not AK47s? Can I expect to see you protest GTA6?
 
So we've got full frontal nudity, lots of lines of dialogue, everyone is pansexual, non-binary characters, top scars, and mobile game art style as talking points leading up to this games release.

This game is DOA.
 
Pejo said:
What the hell happened to game developers man? I know it's a relatively small thing overall, but I just don't know. To be honest, this type of thing bothers me more than the surgery scar toggle:

Not mad that I can make a fat assed bimbo or anything, but because of how one-sided all of this is. You can make whatever they deem is okay and good, but if you want to make your own character good looking, well you're shit out of luck. I just don't understand anymore.
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It's got the same vibe as what that mod site had about changing the race of game characters in games: they'll be fine with mods that change white characters into black ones but any mod that changes black characters to white ones will be instantly removed from the site.
 
Branded said:
Not sure if trolling or genuinely retarded.
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If not knowing what that was prior to today makes me a "retard" then so be it.

Please explain to me why that's something I should have known about prior to be it being shoehorned in to this game?
 
GHG said:
If not knowing what that was prior to today makes me a "retard" then so be it.

Please explain to me why that's something I should have known about prior to be it being shoehorned in to this game?
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Well then genuine kudos to you for having seemingly having avoided all things 21st century, culture-wise.

I applaud you.
 
I was willing to give this the benefit of the doubt after the lukewarm reveal and everything but that's this one taken off the wishlist.

I'm just so over all this DEI nonsense and thankfully there's plenty of games out there that don't feature it so no skin off my back and all that...
 
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Aguero9320 said:
Okay, so don't let them play it - that's the answer surely? Rather than demanding they take it out…

Don't see how this argument is any different to the other people who argue against violence in games and think video games lead to an increase in violent tendencies.

And unless I'm wrong, most people here are of the opinion that it's 'just a game' and games don't influence behavior. Right? Right? (Which is my consistent position on both ridiculous takes)

Or is it just pixel scars and pronouns that carry influence, and not AK47s? Can I expect to see you protest GTA6?
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First point: every rational person will agree that there are certain things that shouldn't be in games. Obvious example is any depiction of rape or sexual violence. I, me myself, think choosing self-mutilation should not be in the same space where you choose your hairstyle.

Second point: see above. Not the same argument at all.

Third point: nothing to refute here. Your guessing other people's opinion with no data to back up your claim.

Fourth point: again you're trying to say because X exists, therefore Y should exist too.

More and more children are opting in to being trans and destroying their bodies. The numbers go up every year. Something is causing it. Something is 'influencing' them to become trans and thus slaves to the medical/pharma system.

Maybe it's shit like this being normalized into our media and pop culture?
 
In a fantasy world the idea of being transgender isn't farfetched but you could do it in so much better ways. Through magic potion or a spell/curse, fuck even Dark Souls II did the trans coffin. Always having to reflect the world we live in today.
 
Aguero9320 said:
As a "minority" wishing you were represented I'd think you'd have more understanding of the inclusion, but maybe I'm missing the point, and I can certainly understand why you would be upset about the lack of inclusion as it relates to you. I wasn't aware that East Indian males had something different about their nose? Perhaps if character creators were more inclusive I would be better educated lol.

Look, I'm Irish catholic and more in line with those traditional values than the 'modern values' everyone is so annoyed about, but I was also raised not to poke my nose into other people's business if they weren't harming anyone.

Maybe because I don't try and recreate myself in games this issue just bewilders me a bit.
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Maybe it's just my nose that's err... special.

What I'm pointing out is the extensive efforts made to make one very narrow set of people feel included, and the rather complete absence of those efforts with regard to more or less all other sets of people. When considered among the larger gaming context, it very clearly indicates a political agenda present within the game.

In isolation, the breast removal surgery scars addition is just that, a minor addition and like you said, completely harmless. This addition alone is also not something I have an issue with. When one looks at the big picture in gaming, the addition becomes part of a larger agenda that I do have an issue with (the issue again being discrimination, before someone accuses me of transphobia).
 
Senua said:
Marvelous innovation from Bioware, what'll be next. Grafted penis? Axe wound?

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From here

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Also this OP.
 
The initial reveal was bad and stuff like this does not give me confidence. Usually when products are filled with this type of stuff they end up bad. I fully expect the story and dialogue to sound like something written by teenage Reddit mods.
 
GHG said:
I'm confused. What exactly is a "top surgery scar"? Is it something that you get after regular surgery or something else?
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Yeah, when a man decides to remove their breast. They get top surgery. Like when women get breast reduction or augmentation.

This rules tbh, more options is better than less
 
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Young healthy women being scarred for life because activists convince them to do it is not something that should be celebrated in a video game.

Fuck this game and everyone involved.
 
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literally who gives a fuck either way? Culture wars bullshit appeals only to the most retarded on either side. Game looks fucking great after the gameplay hands-ons that dropped today.
 
finalflame said:
literally who gives a fuck either way? Culture wars bullshit appeals only to the most retarded on either side. Game looks fucking great after the gameplay hands-ons that dropped today.
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I give a fuck. Because there are now consistent reports of young women with severe mental health issues, who have irreparably destroyed their bodies due to the forced ideology this game is actively and freely promoting and condoning.

I don't care about culture war bullshit - until it has a real world, damaging effect. This is a case of that.
 
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First point: every rational person will agree that there are certain things that shouldn't be in games. Obvious example is any depiction of rape or sexual violence. I, me myself, think choosing self-mutilation should not be in the same space where you choose your hairstyle.

Second point: see above. Not the same argument at all.

Third point: nothing to refute here. Your guessing other people's opinion with no data to back up your claim.

Fourth point: again you're trying to say because X exists, therefore Y should exist too.

More and more children are opting in to being trans and destroying their bodies. The numbers go up every year. Something is causing it. Something is 'influencing' them to become trans and thus slaves to the medical/pharma system.

Maybe it's shit like this being normalized into our media and pop culture?
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Come on, it's the same (bullshit) argument - there are more and more school shootings as video games became more graphically violent… Something is 'influencing' them… (again, I do not agree, just illustrating the point).

Thin end of the wedge here - selective outrage. Be careful what you wish for because the pendulum will swing again.

It's your choice not to play it, or not let your kids play it, or play it and ignore it, or play it and be annoyed by it, but people seem to be trying to insist that it shouldn't exist and I think that's dangerous.

You'll be annoyed when they come for something that doesn't offend you.

Cancel culture has infected the arguments of the side that used to rail against it. What happened to 'fuck your feelings, snowflake'?
 
FunkMiller said:
I give a fuck. Because there are now consistent reports of young women with severe mental health issues, who have irreparably destroyed their bodies due to the forced ideology this game is actively and freely promoting and condoning.

I don't care about culture war bullshit - until it has a real world, damaging effect. This is a case of that.
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My friend group in Houston had a guy I was introduced too and then out of nowhere she shows up long hair in a dress pregnant and said she had to "reconsider because I hated how I felt" and she didn't want to elaborate other than saying she felt "tricked" this shit is outta hand. I mean it feels weird for me being a gay man saying I'm trying to dictate how other people live, but I'm 35 and it took me till my teens to meet another gay man. I guess on some level I'm happy no one has to feel the way I felt growing up and trying to blend in but there's something so wild about going after teenagers while their brains are being developed into doing lifelong choices when you don't even have a concept of time during those years you get when you're older.
 
So wait, in the Dragon age universe they're having transgender surgeries? My God, these people are morons
 
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FunkMiller said:
I give a fuck. Because there are now consistent reports of young women with severe mental health issues, who have irreparably destroyed their bodies due to the forced ideology this game is actively and freely promoting and condoning.

I don't care about culture war bullshit - until it has a real world, damaging effect. This is a case of that.
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Their fault for being retarded. There's no forced ideology. Wild way to think.

Let's stop with the disingenuous pearl clutching and "BUT THE KIDS!!!11". Your actual agenda is pretty transparent.
 
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finalflame said:
Their fault for being retarded. There's no forced ideology. Wild way to think.
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No forced ideology?

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My friend, it is as forced as any right wing religious ideology. I bet you'd be the first one up and complaining if this game featured a character that was anti-abortion. Quite rightly.

Same energy here. They are featuring a divisive and destructive thing that's firmly anti-woman.

The misogyny runs rampant through both political extremes.

And do please get fucked about 'my agenda' with your edit.

My agenda is that I don't think things should be pushed in video games that have a detrimental effect on a woman's health.
 
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I don't get this. Surely if there was an option irl to have a surgery and not have visible scars you would choose it, right? So, people who want to chop of their tits to be male like the fact it results in scars? When has scars been wanted after a surgery. If you want to be a 'man' but still want the reminder of once being a woman what shit is floating around in your head?

What next. +5 to coat hangers!!

So, a woman (you know, the real ones) has a mastectomy and look in the mirror at the horror on their chest. And people think its a good idea to have it as a 'choice' in a video game. Long as it appeases trans people, then fuck biological woman, right?
 
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FunkMiller said:
No forced ideology?

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My friend, it is as forced as any right wing religious ideology. I bet you'd be the first one up and complaining if this game featured a character that was anti-abortion. Quite rightly.

Same energy here. They are featuring a divisive and destructive thing that's firmly anti-woman.

The misogyny runs rampant through both political extremes.

And do please get fucked about 'my agenda' with your edit.

My agenda is that I don't think things should be pushed in video games that have a detrimental effect on a woman's health.
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Sorry but if you chop your tits off because of a video game character creator, I ain't losing any sleep over you.

Should we also ban violent video games? What's your stance on that? Or video games with rampant misogyny and sexualization?

FYI, I'm fully in favor of all of the above, and the ability to put a little scar on your chest in an RPG. Not to mention, what about people with legitimate mastectomies due to breast cancer? Can they just get fucked?

Jesus christ.
 
Problem is they won't even let you choose bigger boob size than men for all genders, yet you can customize what type of trans surgery scars you have.
 
Aguero9320 said:
Come on, it's the same (bullshit) argument - there are more and more school shootings as video games became more graphically violent… Something is 'influencing' them… (again, I do not agree, just illustrating the point).
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Here's your problem:

There are mountains of empirical, independently verified evidence that prove violence in media does not create violence in real life.

Please direct me to where there is empirical, independently verified evidence that the kind of ideology present in this video game does not affect people in a negative manner.
 
You know what a fantasy world needs. This weird stuff.


You could be Amazon and cut off a breast to shoot your bow.
 
finalflame said:
FYI, I'm fully in favor of all of the above, and the ability to put a little scar on your chest in an RPG. Not to mention, what about people with legitimate mastectomies due to breast cancer? Can they just get fucked?
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Why would a woman want to celebrate having the heartache of her breasts cut of as a silly option in a game. This isn't about helping real womans feelings.
 
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How progressive! Although, it's worth noting that a similar practice existed in ancient Rome, albeit for different reasons.
 
Top surgery is a voluntary mastectomy.

This game has a fantasy world with gender reassignment mastectomies.

And it will bomb and they'll pretend not to know why.
 
kruis said:
It's at this exact moment in the video. This Youtuber is simply gushing with praise for the developers for including the top surgery scar.

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The video creator seems like a lovely person. From the comments:

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I can sympathize with not reacting well to criticism, but the overuse of "incell" in these cases by people like this really lessens that sympathy. From what I'm seeing, many people are having an issue with this modern medical procedure being placed in a fantasy world where it does not make any sense for it to be (eg. magic can do the same thing without scarring). The immediate jump to 'it MUST be transphobes' is incredibly off-putting. Not denying that such attitudes exist, but applying it to everyone is bad faith.
 
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