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[finalflame]

Here's your problem:

There are mountains of empirical, independently verified evidence that prove violence in media does not create violence in real life.

Please direct me to where there is empirical, independently verified evidence that the kind of ideology present in this video game does not affect people in a negative manner.

How about you provide evidence that it does? You're making the claim, not me. What leads you to believe mass, repeated, graphic slaughtering in video game has no effect on people's psyche, but putting a little chest scar on your cartoon character somehow makes you chop your fucking tits off? If you do that, it sure as hell wasn't the game's fault, just like playing Doom 2016 doesn't make you into a school shooter.

Why would a woman want to celebrate having the heartache of her breasts cut of as a silly option in a game. This isn't about helping real womans feelings.

Believe it it or not, people are happy with their bodies and to celebrate their imperfections. And you're right, let's not pretend this discussion is about anything other than retarded culture war bullshit. If this genuinely upsets you, you can stop pretending it's because you care about women. You and I both know it's a whole different thing entirely.

 

[mitch1971]

is there an adam's apple slider?

Who'd want to turn into adamsapple ?!

 

[Aguero9320]

Here's your problem:

There are mountains of empirical, independently verified evidence that prove violence in media does not create violence in real life.

Please direct me to where there is empirical, independently verified evidence that the kind of ideology present in this video game does not affect people in a negative manner.

I don't have a problem. I think both arguments are complete crybaby bullshit.

If you think this being in Dragon Age is going to convince anyone to become transgender I'd argue you've lost touch with reality mate.

 

[Kacho]

it's over boys

the west has fallen

My wife couldn't make an accurate version of herself with those budget cuts. Damn...

 

[Rambotito]

Honestly guys this is exactly what the game needed. Sooooo many fans have been asking for surgery scars on the character creator since Origins. I'm glad they're listening to the players, and this is sure to make the game a GOTY contender. I will 100% not be buying it.

If they add "Ligature Marks" YES/NO under neck options, then I will buy it.

 

[{insert code here}]

Come on, it's the same (bullshit) argument - there are more and more school shootings as video games became more graphically violent… Something is 'influencing' them… (again, I do not agree, just illustrating the point).

Thin end of the wedge here - selective outrage. Be careful what you wish for because the pendulum will swing again.

It's your choice not to play it, or not let your kids play it, or play it and ignore it, or play it and be annoyed by it, but people seem to be trying to insist that it shouldn't exist and I think that's dangerous.

You'll be annoyed when they come for something that doesn't offend you.

Cancel culture has infected the arguments of the side that used to rail against it. What happened to 'fuck your feelings, snowflake'?

First off, you should probably relax a bit. It's really difficult to have a rational discussion when you're emotional.

Again, you keep trying to say X is Y and Y is X. If you can't make the very simple distinction between the two, then there's no point in going further here.

 

[TheChumpNation]

Wait, the game lets you customize a character with surgically removed breasts...but doesn't allow you to create a character with large breasts?

I'm sorry but anyone who doesn't see the agenda here is being willfully blind.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Honestly kinda sad that they're glorifying self-mutilation by putting this in the game. At least in the, hopefully, not too distant future we'll have this as a relic of how absolutely batshit insane some of us had become.

I don't even see it as glorifying. I see it as normalizing, which is worse

 

[mitch1971]

Believe it it or not, people are happy with their bodies and to celebrate their imperfections. And you're right, let's not pretend this discussion is about anything other than retarded culture war bullshit. If this genuinely upsets you, you can stop pretending it's because you care about women. You and I both it's a whole different thing entirely.

You know being born with what you have and accepting it and having to lose a part of you (especially a part that is part of your sex) over medical problems, are not one and the same?

If I want to care about woman without some other agenda then I will? And, I do. I have woman in my life I care about. Your assumptions about me are amazing.

 

[{insert code here}]

I don't even see it as glorifying. I see it as normalizing, which is worse

Yup and to some folks it's already been normalized seeing as how they argue "censorship, cancel-culture, or what about the AK-47's". They'll use the 'but violence argument' anytime something ill gets put into a game or movie.

I bet someone is typing up a thread as we speak

 

[FunkMiller]

I don't have a problem. I think both arguments are complete crybaby bullshit.

If you think this being in Dragon Age is going to convince anyone to become transgender I'd argue you've lost touch with reality mate.

Nice over generalisation to try and water down the salient point.

It is fundamentally wrong to encourage a practise that causes irreversible damage to a human being's healthy body, when the jury is still very much out over the efficacy and safety of transgender surgeries conducted on young people.

That specific thing is what this discussion is about.

 

[Branded]

it's over boys

the west has fallen

That is insane.

 

[Shadowstar39]

On a related note, the new Skate Character Creator should be more accurately labeled an Abomination Creator. Body Type A/B, able to mix and match genitals, every facial type is masculine, you name it.

Is it just ea that is woke abomination? Seriously what happened. Skate 1-3 were awesome games and had humor. I swear any studio ea owns eventually turns to shit.

As for this game, yeah I knew the woke bs was coming, but never expected this

 

[Aguero9320]

First off, you should probably relax a bit. It's really difficult to have a rational discussion when you're emotional.

Again, you keep trying to say X is Y and Y is X. If you can't make the very simple distinction between the two, then there's no point in going further here.

Yeah, I'm the emotional one, not the people convinced a few pixels on the screen in a fantasy game will be the downfall of heterosexual society. Sure, Jan.

Either games affect behavior or they don't. You can't pick and choose when you want to play that card.

 

[EviLore]

it's over boys

the west has fallen

That's not even an A cup. Just some pectoral muscles with support.

 

[{insert code here}]

it's over boys

the west has fallen

The folks who made this have probably never even seen a woman in person. There's absolutely no milk shortage whatsoever in my area .

 

[semiconscious]

'Civilizations are built by the ceaseless toil of a succession of generations. With softness and sloth, civilizations succumb. Let us beware of decadence.'

- Rajiv Gandhi

 

[{insert code here}]

Yeah, I'm the emotional one, not the people convinced a few pixels on the screen in a fantasy game will be the downfall of heterosexual society. Sure, Jan.

Either games affect behavior or they don't. You can't pick and choose when you want to play that card.

I'm dead . I've no idea what you're on mate but good luck with you and yourself.

 

[Hayabusabruh]

Will there be a monkey pox option?

 

[finalflame]

I'm dead . I've no idea what you're on mate but good luck with you and yourself.

fucking lol

 

[gakidx]

Sorry but if you chop your tits off because of a video game character creator, I ain't losing any sleep over you.

Should we also ban violent video games? What's your stance on that? Or video games with rampant misogyny and sexualization?

FYI, I'm fully in favor of all of the above, and the ability to put a little scar on your chest in an RPG. Not to mention, what about people with legitimate mastectomies due to breast cancer? Can they just get fucked?

Jesus christ.

Very much this. Feel like this is a field with more strawmen than corn itself.

 

[Horatius]

That's not even an A cup. Just some pectoral muscles with support.

honestly the muscles are the funniest part

she has brock lesnar's fucking shoulders and arms and the shit is at 18% lmao

 

[Alebrije]

it's over boys

the west has fallen

 

[danklord]

If I didn't know this was an option in the game because of this thread I'm pretty sure I would miss it entirely. If it appeals to someone, cool, I don't really give a shit. It doesn't seem to impact the game at all. Perhaps the echo chamber of outrage is worse than the act.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

PR for this game is going tits up.

 

[Robot Carnival]

had no idea what that is until I read the 1st page of this thread. it's kinda meh for me since I'm not getting this game anyway (was never really into this series). but I do want to ask thou, is there supposed to be these type of technology in this fantasy world? I mean, it reminds me of that whole "wheel chair bond wizard" thing a while ago. because, if this is a world of magic and fantasy, wouldn't be simply be a potion or some magic or ritual to make you walk again. or in this case, turn you from female to male instead? it just doesn't make sense.

 

[BennyBlanco]

it's over boys

the west has fallen

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I didn't really care about this game and everyone kind of knows it's going to flop anyways but now I actively want it to flop. Congrats to EA for making me care I guess

 

[lughnasadh123]

On one hand this is one of the biggest "but why?" things one could add if meant as any political statement yet on the other it's a cool visual RPG element for developing your character depending how much you're into role playing. Where it lands might depends on if you can also make some big ol tiddies as part of a wide range of customization parameters. My fear though is it's more of the former.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Believe it or not, people are happy with their bodies and to celebrate their imperfections.

The rise of youth suicide tells a different story. Those are facts, there's no need to "believe" anything.

Anyway, the issue here, ideological stuff aside, is that this character creator is ridiculous (cos it breaks any logic of a fantasy world) and also exclusivist, because you can't make sexy body types. And this, more than anything, speaks of the mental condition of the game director, so insecure that can't let people be sexy. If that isn't crazy, what is?

 

[Kacho]

It doesn't seem to impact the game at all.

This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Veilguard's problems

 

[whyman]

I hope this is the end of DE(A)I

 

[Dr. Acid Avatar]

All these developers needed to do was add a breast slider. Want big breasts? Done. Want them gone? Done. It's easier playing both sides because that's how you make money.

 

[BennyBlanco]

hope were nearing the end of this cursed era in western game development.

 

[bender]

All these developers needed to do was add a breast slider. Want big breasts? Done. Want them gone? Done. It's easier playing both sides because that's how you make money.

Or just make a more robust character creator that let's you adjust the size, orientation, and location of scars on the body of your create-a-character.

 

[Plague Doctor]

hope were nearing the end of this cursed era in western game development.

Oh I think we are nearing the end on many, many, many things started in the 2010s. That was a cursed decade as a whole with the culmination being the utter clusterfuck of the early 2020s. I don't know what comes next will necessarily be better but I think it will definitely be very different.

Edit: Shit isn't starting to change. It's already changed and there is a lot of people in industries who are just starting to realize it and they are scrambling.

 

[nashman]

What happened to representation for everyone? 100s of millions of women are B cup plus, but No cant have that. Dumb AF.

 

[WoJ]

I feel like we've crossed a line with this.

It's too much, they pushed it too far.

Unacceptable.

This is all just weird and gross at this point. It's not even about woke or anti-woke. It's just weird borderline fetish stuff to feel this is what matters in creating a game.

As someone who is interested in this game only because I want to see another (good) Mass Effect game from Bioware, everything that gets shared about this game is just weird and creepy. It doesn't give me any faith Bioware has a clue. Which I realize is not surprising based on what they've become over the years. But I still didn't expect them to become a studio focused on this.

 

[Bombolone]

All these developers needed to do was add a breast slider. Want big breasts? Done. Want them gone? Done. It's easier playing both sides because that's how you make money.

It is so odd. You can do all these things but you can't make large breasts?
It just looks really petty and obviously agenda driven.
They literally could have the scars and the bust slider, but they are so petty and insecure.
I get it, the sight of a woman triggers insecurity in them. That's a them thing. I truly believe a good portion of them resent woman. It's like they are trying to create a world where they are shielded from real woman as to not be triggered (reminded)
It's so psychologically damaging. You can't run away from issues like that.
Ask anyone. Demons will knock and break down your door eventually.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Go trans if you want, but accept being a woman with a penis or a man with boobs, either is fine, but nobody should be cutting off healthy body parts.

Normalizing this by putting it in a game is very creepy, it's like if they added self harm scars as an option and acted like you're the weird one if you find that weird.

 

[Crayon]

Chicks dig scars.

 

[Outlier]

GOOD.
I'm glad people have choices in how they can design their CUSTOM characters.

Very interesting seeing people complain about CHOICES in a game about CHOICES.

Previewers are saying the game is lookin quite good, so I'm excited

 

[DussyPestroyer]

All I am going to say is some posters here belong on the purple site, anyways this shit going to tank in asia. Banned in India, China will ignore this, East asia and SEA wont buy it so good riddance. Maybe it will match outlaws sales figures

 

[Edgelord79]

This game's art style is the type of art style that outlets like Kotaku and Polygon love. Semi cartoony, pastels, purples, etc…

It's such a turn off that it's difficult even giving the game a chance.

 

[Edgelord79]

It's sad to have to walk away from franchises that have been taken over by this ridiculous ideology.

Seeing this stuff makes it a lot easier.

Like a bandaid. Right off and never look back.

 

[BlitzerRadic]

I don't even see it as glorifying. I see it as normalizing, which is worse

man yall talking crazy. Just like snake smoking didnt make gamers start smoking this stupid top scar toggle isnt going to make fat nerds want to cut their moobs off lmao

 

[Last Hearth]

You know you can make a character without it, right?

I don't get why this upsets anyone. Be mad about transgender surgery if you want, makes no difference to me, but do something constructive about it - not playing this is not that. I have no issue if someone who is transgender wants to play this, and uses the option to create a character they feel represents them. Equally I have no issue if someone wants to roleplay as a transgender character for some reason, or if they would never dream of turning this option on. I won't, but what harm does it do to me if someone else does?

I note the options seem to be on or off, so it's not being forced on you.

For the record, I am not pro-trans, or anti-trans or whatever those sides of the argument are these days - I am don't care-trans because it's none of my business.

The point for me I think is that the people who make this game don't understand the appeal of fantasy at all.
Fantasy is a genre that offers escapism through the imagination. It construct worlds based on wholly different rules, which must be self consistent to allow the audience the suspension of disbelief that allows the escapism to take place.

That's why these activist who pretend to tell fantasy stories with their constant need to make their fantasy world "look like the real world" are constantly failing, because not looking like the real world is the fundamental appeal of fantasy.
Case in point here, in a world of magic and transformations, people who have trans desires would be seeking out spells and potions that can accomplish a full transformation, not crude cosmetic surgery that we do here in our mundane world.
By injecting that into this world, the developers have both destroyed the internal consistency of what a magic based world should look like, thus breaking any suspension of disbelief , and ruined my escapism at the same time by reminding me of the real world.

People who do this cannot possibly create a fantasy world that would be of interest to me.

This is the same reason by the way, why shows like the Wheel of Time and Rings of Power are such abject failures.

 

[Comandr]

It's a start. I want to be able to start hormone therapy in game and have my voice gradually change in game over time. Get to work Bioware.

Fable is still coming.

 

[Kacho]

It's that time

 

[sachos]

This isn't about being transgender.

Women who have breast cancer (men too, but most commonly women) will often times get a mastectomy where their breasts are removed, sometimes both breasts. This in turn leaves scars.

We shouldn't be gloryfying these scars like they're just "appearance" symbols and be given the option of having them when it leaves women literally psychologically scarred when they have their breasts removed.

Especially when you know someone (I know someone) who has had it done and you've seen how they change the way they dress in hopes of not revealing the scars.

To me, this is actually disgusting and extremely disrespectful to women who've had a mastectomy, making them feel like their life changing experience is downgraded to some sort of "appearance" in a character creator.

You could use that same logic for any type of scar in the game though.