Colin Moriarty: Concord cost 400M. Was viewed as the future of PS.
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Dr. Wilkinson
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Yep. Just a bunch of useless people all
smelling each other's farts, talking about how great everyone's ideas are.
Did anyone outside the company ever play test and deliver candid feedback? Literally, ever?
Did they ever take the temperature of their core PS audience?
% they did not. As evidenced by how badly the reveal went in May.
They honestly deserve this gut punch. It's a cautionary tale, and I hope they learn a hard lesson from it and get better. Same as Nintendo had to learn with the just awful 3DS launch, and the entire idea/plan behind Wii U from launch thru when they had to pack it in and kill it.
smelling each other's farts, talking about how great everyone's ideas are.
Did anyone outside the company ever play test and deliver candid feedback? Literally, ever?
Did they ever take the temperature of their core PS audience?
% they did not. As evidenced by how badly the reveal went in May.They honestly deserve this gut punch. It's a cautionary tale, and I hope they learn a hard lesson from it and get better. Same as Nintendo had to learn with the just awful 3DS launch, and the entire idea/plan behind Wii U from launch thru when they had to pack it in and kill it.
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Grildon Tundy
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For sure they're going to focus on online. That's their money-maker. But they've never half-assed their story modes.
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
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Why are people taking Del Walker seriously? He's the same guy who admitted video game characters are intentionally being made ugly and then backtracked when "the chuds" started agreeing with him.
He's just another clown in the circus. If someone like Tom Henderson comes out and disputes it, then I'll listen.
He's just another clown in the circus. If someone like Tom Henderson comes out and disputes it, then I'll listen.
Timberwolf25
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They gotta grasp at whatever lifelines they can.
I guess the money spent just scales how big a flop it is. It's already massive even if they spent at the low end of $100M to extinction level catastrophic at $400M.
Neff
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If you lose $400m on a single game, it kinda does. And this isn't even the first instance of this happening. The bubble's well and truly burst.
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ToneyJ
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Yup, that guy is a clown.
violence
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Maybe it died to change the industry. Time will tell.
Imru’ al-Qays
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Fire these clowns and bring back Japan Studio, Shu, and Layden
CoreyFlawless
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True. But I'm just giving a rough idea. Shit don't make sense. And being on the high end of 150k for every employee. If they 150. I'm still trying to figure out how they was keep getting money and Sony was so invested to them that they went ahead and bought them to.
Saturn Dragon
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I'm all in if they do A bunch of Stellar Blade sequels
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Enjoy your concorded future, ass.
He also showed his journalistic chops a few days ago reporting the previous Activision layoffs as new and had to delete all of his tweets about it hurriedly. Not the sharpest tool in the dishwasher.
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ChorizoPicozo
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Layden was the one pushing the PC strategy and bloated First Party budgets
SteadyEvo
Banned
Hopefully they see this and learn
navii
My fantasy is that my girlfriend was actually a young high school girl.
Release the ps5pro at 700! And strip the disc drive and vertical stand. Well make those fuckers pay for concord one way or another!
VictorVectors
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True. You're not wrong.
However, keep in mind they cancelled GTA V Trevor DLC to instead include it as content within the online ecosystem. Voice lines, story lines, etc
GTA VI's final single player story mission will also be a large scale intro mission for the online experience. No separation of the options. Single/multi player selection is gone. Hide the credits crawl within the options menu somewhere.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Yeah it's baffling to fund for so long. Same as 343 and Infinite etc. How publishers and devs don't manage and retool for more output or spin-offs or betas for 1-2 years to curate characters
/games audiences want is beyond me.
lughnasadh123
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I'm surprised to see so much going back and forth on the supposed price. Whatever it was, it's still pretty damn big for something that was such a spectacular failure. Might as well be arguing between a 40 inch dick and a 60 inch dick. Doesn't matter, that's a lotta big dick!
Mercenary09
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Nice try but things like that don't work on me bud. I'm just laughing at anyone in here that believes that this game cost anywhere near that. Hardly any game out there would be $400 million. Ya'll should get a better source than a rage bait "trust me bruh I have a source" Youtuber.
Mercenary09
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Why? We don't have a source saying it was true. Oh Colin apparently heard it from a dev? Who are they? Because I can make up a story too and claim a Concord dev told it to me.
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sharp weiner
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Trying to understand what is being implied here.
1. He doesn't feel comfortable going against "the modern audience groupthink", so he is playing "defense force" for them now as penance for stepping out of line and therefore cannot be trusted?
2. He's one of "them"?
3. He's being mean with his replies and it feels yucky
4. Something else
I normally just reply snarky shit and bounce, but I'm actually curious about this.
Men_in_Boxes
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Naughty Dog artist:
sharp weiner
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Thank you for explaining this In terms that I can understand!
ViciousAgenda
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I heard it cost half a curly wurly and a packet of twiglets.
Mercenary09
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It's really exposing who all lacks a brain.
twilo99
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You mean RedFall wasn't a big enough mess?
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
It really is embarrassing. Gaming discourse is getting...dumber.
Ridicululzz
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The post below is responding to the post above
Gambit2483
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Nothing. They were an unknown studio and this was their first project.
Someone (reportedly Herman Hulst) at Sony had a "gut feeling" that this team would be their next "Insomniac" (i.e. hit maker) and that Concord would be their next major Flagship IP.
They bet big the same way they had bet big with Bungie and Insomniac, except those studios already proved that they were capable of developing and shipping out highly successful projects. This was just a Major screw up on Sony's part and gross mismanagement withing Firewalk studios
Hayter2000
Neo Member
Expect the "GAMERS HATE DEVELOPERS AND DONT WANT GAMES TO BE MADE" headlines soon when the heads start rolling. Oh and capitalism. Capitalism is to blame for this.
MayauMiao
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Mercenary09
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Some of us aren't children and are capable of figuring out that information on our own. For instance any Marvel game is going to cost more because those team sizes are larger and the hefty fee to license them from Disney. Obviously there are other factors too including more mo-cap, story costs, VO, etc that a game that Concord doesn't really have. I wouldn't have time to type out everything to moronic Twitter trolls either. Got better things to do with my time.
Radical_3d
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Well, I do have the patience: it's marketing. That's it. That's the answer. If a development cost X the marketing rule is ad X more as marketing and distribution cost. So a develop of 300 mill will cost 600 mill once launched. The cost of Concord have that 2X on the price since it's already launched and the acquisition of the studio (which is fair, IMO).
White-fire
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I think it's safe to say that this game did not cost 400m and was probably a lot less. Not one industry source can back this up, and most people in the industry and saying that figure makes no sense.
The developer had 12 employees in 2019, Sony only came along in 2023, and Probably Monsters did not have that much money hence why they sold and downsized shortly after.
We also know Fire Walk does not have that many employees, less than 200, and the game had no licensing fees and a smaller marketing budget. Colin said this did not include the buyout of the studio, which makes the case of 400m being even less. Plus most of the work was done by cheaper outsourcing studios.
I really don't see how 400m is possible, that's more than The Last of Us and Horizon combined and Sony only had them for 1 and a half years.
The developer had 12 employees in 2019, Sony only came along in 2023, and Probably Monsters did not have that much money hence why they sold and downsized shortly after.
We also know Fire Walk does not have that many employees, less than 200, and the game had no licensing fees and a smaller marketing budget. Colin said this did not include the buyout of the studio, which makes the case of 400m being even less. Plus most of the work was done by cheaper outsourcing studios.
I really don't see how 400m is possible, that's more than The Last of Us and Horizon combined and Sony only had them for 1 and a half years.
hinch7
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Holy shit.
The last couple of minutes look like some kind of EULA but even still, it's an hour's length worth of credits
Even Ubisoft games don't have credits this long.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
now a naughty dog artist is a good source. That studio is another fucking joke.
delishcaek
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Where is this actually coming from? Cauldron and Firewalk had 50 devs split up between the two in 2019.
Ex-Bungie Boss Harold Ryan Launches Triple-A Game Startup ProbablyMonsters
ProbablyMonsters, founded by former Bungie CEO Harold Ryan, aims to launch and support multiple subsidiary AAA game studios.
variety.com
There is no accurate number here, but what is known is that they grew rapidly and a year later they were at over 150
ProbablyMonsters Secures New HQ and Launches Third Video Game Studio | Built In Seattle
ProbablyMonsters’ third video game studio is working on a next-gen co-op RPG game that will release some time in the future.
www.builtinseattle.com
Another year later they were at over 230 and they were aiming for 300 by the end of the year
ProbablyMonsters Raises $200M, the Largest Series A in Gaming History | Built In Seattle
ProbablyMonsters will use this investment to build its team and offer competitive employee benefits, as well as further the development of its games.
www.builtinseattle.com
But the last one is prolly where the confusion comes from. They raised 200m USD, Colin is attributing all of this money to Firewalk... the truth is we don't actually know how much of that went to Firewalk, we also don't know how many of the 230 employees were working on Concord, but it is safe to assume that the majority of the 230+ people (and the previous 150) were working on Concord because when Sony bought them they had 150.
I would argue that you can safely assume that they had 100 people working on it since 2020 and at least 150 for the past two years (the highest I've seen was 180 for the past year). Glassdoor puts GameDev salary at 100k/y in that area. Add another 1m/y operational costs to this, so this comes to at least 54m for Firewalk by itself. Now we know that an additional 1750 people worked on this game. Then a bit of marketing cost on top of that...
Am not trying to argue that the game did cost 400m, that seems like too much for a game that has been in development for 4 years, but I can see it eclipsing the previously estimated 200m. We will most likely never know.
hinch7
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Yeah its madness. Probably even eclipses RDR 2 and GTA V.Holy shit.
The last couple of minutes look like some kind of EULA but even still, it's an hour's length worth of credits
Even Ubisoft games don't have credits this long.
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CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
The problem is they won't learn from that failure, in every press article about the failure, they don't even mention woke. They just say it failed because the hero shooter market has already enough free to play competition and that some character designs are not that good. It seems no outlet even dares to write woke in their article and how should the developers then learn from this failure…
Cyberpunkd
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Because they are correct. It failed because it was not a good game. Sorry to burst your bubble.
SEGAvangelist
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Nope. No one even tried the game because they were turned off by something. I wonder what that could be...
{insert code here}
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Agreed and all the people trying to pushback on the 400M number with charts, graphs, spreadsheets, PowerPoints, research articles, essays ... You'd think someones is doing their PhD thesis on how Concord was not 400M. This is too much, I just can't
. Concord is the gift that just keeps on giving. Can't wait for Fairgame.
Cakeboxer
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Some may haven't earned a fortune, but then again i read it's almost 2k people.
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