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[Bojji]

For me I'm just grateful to have the choice. Its there if you want more power and prefer the console experience. They're pushing their luck with the price, especially in Europe. But I'm still really grateful it exists as an option. If folks want a PC, then that's great too. Choice is good.

I fully agree that US value is different this time vs. Europe (or rest of the world) value. In US building PC with similar cost is probably impossible, but "thanks" to inflated price in Europe differences are much smaller and in favor of PC parts.

I don't know why Sony is treating continent that saved their ass in PS3 times like that but here we are.

 

[pasterpl]

Share your definition please.

But make sure that it something that is widely available to consumers and relatively affordable. Do not share examples of anamolies.

High-end is something that is exclusive an expensive, so here is your problem something that it is relatively affordable is not high-end product.

From Oxford dictionary - denoting the most expensive of a range of products.

So yes it is high-end PlayStation, high-end console, but it is not high-end gaming device. When you think about high end cars you don't think about VW or Ford. you think Ferrari, RR, Lamborghini, Bugatti or some other luxurious less know car brands, when you talk high end watches you don't think about Omega or Rolex, but more about Patek etc.

If you are after high-end gaming, it is PC - powerful, with latest CPU, GPU and crazy amount of fastest memory etc. That's high-end gaming device.

Price wise for PS5Pro is too expensive compared to what it offers and what was shown so far, but if there customers wanting to buy it is fine by me. I just spent same amount of money on ROG Ally X last month while as I got too tired with steam deck issues (still got both), my PC is a bit older now, but still rocks cool 64gb DDR5, 4tb nve ssd and and gtx3090 and i9 12 CPU. Need upgrading but I am upgrading my PC every 2 gens (nvidia gens) now, so will wait till 5090 comes out and will probably go with 128gb ram and 8tb build. That's my friend played on big 120hz 4K Oled monitor is high end gaming.

 

[Redneckerz]

@DGrayson Do you mind moderating this thread? It's again devolving into a pointless PC vs PS5 Pro price war. Can't we discuss the damn Pro's specs in peace?

Also, I looked back the last few pages and 390W is taking into accounts the peaks. Apparently, the PS5 can peak at 350W, so 390W on the box is sensible. I was worried it was a power hog, but it's probably just a tiny bit more than the base model.

Just remember that these are grown-ass folks arguing this and not even using proper comparison to do it.

Lets compare a 700 buck console with a 1000 buck (or more) PC. Yep, really settles any debate.

In any case, reg specs:

• Figured it was never going to be 33 actual TFLOPS - Its just a way of looking at it. 16 TF is still a sizeable increase, as one said its a whole Xbox One X you get in addition.
• Opting for Zen 2 is all there for compatibility
• The 2 GB DDR5 is interesting, but i assume that, like PS4, it is there either for the OS or as a cache.

All in all its a sizeable beast, but we need better breakdowns and even more detailed specs. I love to know what the GPU block is built out of. Just a few more days.

 

[Radical_3d]

I fully agree that US value is different this time vs. Europe (or rest of the world) value. In US building PC with similar cost is probably impossible, but "thanks" to inflated price in Europe differences are much smaller and in favor of PC parts.

I don't know why Sony is treating continent that saved their ass in PS3 times like that but here we are.

That would be Poland. In Spain PC parts are prohibitive.

 

[Deleted member 848825]

I fully agree that US value is different this time vs. Europe (or rest of the world) value. In US building PC with similar cost is probably impossible, but "thanks" to inflated price in Europe differences are much smaller and in favor of PC parts.

I don't know why Sony is treating continent that saved their ass in PS3 times like that but here we are.

We're all different. But for me. If I were to consider going back to PC gaming. It wouldn't be enough to simply equate paper specs to Pro power. It needs to be significantly more powerful for it to be enticing. I enjoyed my time PC gaming because it was far more powerful than any console could deliver - not because it was the same. To each their own though.

 

[Rush2112]

None of it matters.

It could be a supercomputer and people would still bitch and moan because of the sticker shock.

Rational breakdowns of component costs? Who cares. Comparisons with the price of equivalent PC hardware? Ok egghead.

None of that generates clicks like a disgruntled Youtube thumbnail does.

Just make a face like you are constipated and make money.

 

[Gaiff]

Can we talk about the weight?

Pro is 3.1 kg
PS5 is 4.5 kg
PS5 Slim is 4.1 kg

The Pro is almost a third lighter than the old model and a whole kilogram lighter than the Slim. It's also a bit lighter than the PS4 Pro which is nice.

Edit: I screwed up. Here is what Wikipedia says:

Base:
2020: 4.5 kilograms (9.9 lb)
2021: 4.2 kilograms (9.3 lb)
2022: 3.9 kilograms (8.6 lb)
2023: 3.2 kilograms (7.1 lb)
Digital:
2020: 3.9 kilograms (8.6 lb)
2021: 3.6 kilograms (7.9 lb)
2022: 3.4 kilograms (7.5 lb)
2023: 2.6 kilograms (5.7 lb)

 

[panda-zebra]

Let's not exaggerate. It's an upper middle class device.

I'll admit, since ordering the Pro 30th I've had an irresistible urge to purchase a Subaru Legacy Estate and Winter in St. Moritz. You could be on to something.

 

[Sophist]

The comparison with a mac mini would be more legitimate; unified memory, locked in-house ecosystem, all-in-one solution, not upgradable, intended for middle-high income, ...

 

[Bojji]

That would be Poland. In Spain PC parts are prohibitive.

Spain has different prices? It's weird for EU. PLN pretty much converted exactly:

Pro 3499PLN - 798,53 Euro
PC (from example) - 4080PLN - 931 Euro

We're all different. But for me. If I were to consider going back to PC gaming. It wouldn't be enough to simply equate paper specs to Pro power. It needs to be significantly more powerful for it to be enticing. I enjoyed my time PC gaming because it was far more powerful than any console could deliver - not because it was the same. To each their own though.

I have PC to have better experience than on consoles, so it's usually better in every way. But even at the same power level (or above like PC i showed) PC offers things and flexibility not available on consoles.

Of course some people don't like PC gaming at all (or vice versa).

Can we talk about the weight?

Pro is 3.1 kg
PS5 is 4.5 kg
PS5 Slim is 4.1 kg

The Pro is almost a third lighter than the old model and a whole kilogram lighter than the Slim. It's also a bit lighter than the PS4 Pro which is nice.

Disc drive is full of metal so it's probably mostly that?

I have no issues downloading at the full 1Gbps speed (125MB/s) from the Sony servers like 95% of the time.

It's the best thing about PS5, constant full speed downloads. Probably decompression hardware at work here.

 

[Quixz]

Good on them for using the correct tflops number instead of the inflated one that retards on twitter were using. not to mention AMD themselves.

extra 2GB of ram for os is massive since it opens up the full 16 gb for games. thats fucking huge considering just how much of an issue varm is becoming on PC GPUs.

biggest fuck up is the 28% memory bandwidth upgrade especially since that was the main issue that affected the ps4 pro in several games. the fact that this gpu has 67% more tflops and is resulting in only 45% more performance also indicates a bottleneck somewhere and the memory bottleneck could be it. either that or AMD was right and you need infinity cache to improve performance when increasing CUs.

390 watt power supply means this is likely a 300+ watt console. i wouldnt be surprised if this is on 6nm.

This thing would have ended up at $800+ and turn into a PS6 with any more updates.

 

[Radical_3d]

Can we talk about the weight?

Pro is 3.1 kg
PS5 is 4.5 kg
PS5 Slim is 4.1 kg

The Pro is almost a third lighter than the old model and a whole kilogram lighter than the Slim. It's also a bit lighter than the PS4 Pro which is nice.

There must be something wrong with that. How is the slim heavier than the Pro?

 

[RoadHazard]

I still don't understand why that translates to just 45% better GPU performance. What is bottlenecking it?

 

[Deleted member 848825]

Can we talk about the weight?

Pro is 3.1 kg
PS5 is 4.5 kg
PS5 Slim is 4.1 kg

The Pro is almost a third lighter than the old model and a whole kilogram lighter than the Slim. It's also a bit lighter than the PS4 Pro which is nice.

Is that correct? Theres the optical drive to consider, but...

I still want to know which is the faster C port on the front for connecting up on Thursday.

 

[Radical_3d]

Spain has different prices? It's weird for EU. PLN pretty much converted exactly:

It's seem so. Spain is different. Going to the to go retailer that PC builders use the cheapest 4070 is 580€, and it's currently discounted so usually is more expensive.

 

[Bojji]

I still don't understand why that translates to just 45% better GPU performance. What is bottlenecking it?

Memory speed? Also flops don't tell full story as seen with SX.

The name of the thread is PS5 Pro specs finally.

And your in here spamming how your precious 3000$ PC is better then a 700$ gaming system.

More like 800 euro gaming system vs. 931 Euro gaming PC.

It's seem so. Spain is different. Going to the to go retailer that PC builders use the cheapest 4070 is 580€, and it's currently discounted so usually is more expensive.

It's around ~550 Euro in Poland. Not huge difference.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Can we talk about the weight?

Pro is 3.1 kg
PS5 is 4.5 kg
PS5 Slim is 4.1 kg

The Pro is almost a third lighter than the old model and a whole kilogram lighter than the Slim. It's also a bit lighter than the PS4 Pro which is nice.

It's impressive, I imagine since the PS5 Vanilla launch, they've heavily optimized the manufacturing materials and console design, I think this would also revolve around the alleged N4P SoC, thermal output reduced resulting in a much lighter cooling system which in turn results in a smaller form factor.

It's a very welcome change given the amount of power and features the PS5 Pro is pushing.

 

[Gaiff]

There must be something wrong with that. How is the slim heavier than the Pro?

Is that correct? Theres the optical drive to consider, but...

I still want to know which is the faster C port on the front for connecting up on Thursday.

Nah, you guys are right. I got the data with the disc drive included.



Base:
2020: 4.5 kilograms (9.9 lb)
2021: 4.2 kilograms (9.3 lb)
2022: 3.9 kilograms (8.6 lb)
2023: 3.2 kilograms (7.1 lb)
Digital:
2020: 3.9 kilograms (8.6 lb)
2021: 3.6 kilograms (7.9 lb)
2022: 3.4 kilograms (7.5 lb)
2023: 2.6 kilograms (5.7 lb)

It's impressive, I imagine since the PS5 Vanilla launch, they've heavily optimized the manufacturing materials and console design, I think this would also revolve around the alleged N4P SoC, thermal output reduced resulting in a much lighter cooling system which in turn results in a smaller form factor.

It's a very welcome change given the amount of power and features the PS5 Pro is pushing.

Sorry, got it wrong. It's lighter than the 2022 Slim revision, but not the latest one. I also hadn't got the faintest idea that there had been so many revisions.

 

[Cakeboxer]

I'll admit, since ordering the Pro 30th I've had an irresistible urge to purchase a Subaru Legacy Estate and Winter in St. Moritz. You could be on to something.

If you receive the number 1/12.300 you can upgrade to Hellcat + Dubai.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I still don't understand why that translates to just 45% better GPU performance. What is bottlenecking it?

real performance (fps) isn't linear with TFlops ! It was worse with PS4 Pro. 125% more TFlops for only 77% better performance.

 

[SenkiDala]

Will not get a Pro on day one (will probably wait for GTAVI) because disc players costs too much right now. I prefer take a slim, keep it until the "craziness" around disc players calm down and pick up one eventually at retail price, or just at some point (release of GTAVI) selling my PS5 slim as a digital version and keep the disc player. But this Pro interests me obviously, the evolution is nice, not that great and not worth the price difference (in France a Digital PS5 is 399/449 and the PS5 Pro digital is 799... Double the price) but I'm a sucker and I'll pick up one eventually, I know it.

We're in a "PS3 Day one" situation for me, I was interested in the PS3, Motorstorm seemed cool and Resistance too, but no way I'd pay 599€ when my 360 was great and I just paid 399€ for the premium version (the core being 299). I bought a PS3 a few years laters after the releaase of Uncharted 1.

 

[hlm666]

I remember something similar. It's self regulated and this is the only thing I can find about it. It's more about whrn it's idle, has to shut down automatically when left, streaming and that sort of thing and not about peak power draw. PS5 base had a peak of 350W but is ~200W even when playing games. Still weird to try and regulate this on console and you have PCs drawing 300-400W just from the GPU alone.

similar performing pc gpus are not using 400w, a whole system with a 4070ti would be around that.

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Review: A Costly 70-Class GPU

Open up your wallet and say ouch

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Ceadeus]

None of it matters.

It could be a supercomputer and people would still bitch and moan because of the sticker shock.

Rational breakdowns of component costs? Who cares. Comparisons with the price of equivalent PC hardware? Ok egghead.

None of that generates clicks like a disgruntled Youtube thumbnail does.

These thumbnails make me want to cancel my internet subscription and to go live in the mountains like a Monk to never ever cringe again

 

[Gaiff]

real performance (fps) isn't linear with TFlops ! It was worse with PS4 Pro. 125% more TFlops for only 77% better performance.

Probably has something to do with the fact that the PS4 Pro was CPU-limited in many cases or simply caped to 30fps. All they could do was increase the resolution.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I still don't understand why that translates to just 45% better GPU performance. What is bottlenecking it?

Not everything that has to do with rendering is going to happen in parallel.

First, we're probably already going to see diminishing returns on silicon, but the specific rendering tasks as designed probably have limitations, which is probably why they increased the ram.

Remembering that this isn't a PS6, the PS5 Pro is going to be somewhat hamstrung by the design of the PS5.

I think we get caught up a bit too much on numbers here, the biggest question is how effective can the PS5 Pro utilizing PSSR render at 4K like quality and what improvements can they make to PSSR as the rendering requirements increase over the next 4-6 years. Keeping in mind again that any game that runs on the PS5 Pro is going to have to run on the PS5 and in many but not all cases the XSS.

There must be something wrong with that. How is the slim heavier than the Pro?

Is that correct? Theres the optical drive to consider, but...

I still want to know which is the faster C port on the front for connecting up on Thursday.

Sony has apparently massive reduced the internals with the PS5 Pro. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a PS5 Super Slim at some point in the future maybe next holiday season or the year after.

Sony released the PS3 slim in 2009 and then the super slim in 2012.

Sony needs to reduce the cost of producing and distributing the PS5 as much as possible in order to improve their margins and a post GTA6 price cut is likely to eat into that.

 

[Clear]

Sure but you are getting something that is multifunctional which makes it a much better value proposition overall.

Only if you are using all that additional functionality, which isn't everybody.

Especially when even a potato PC is more than enough for general usage; Hell, most smartphones can cover the non-gaming specific functionality of a PC.

Lets be honest, what we're actually talking about is the ability to run graphics intensive applications, not everything that a general purpose computing device will be tasked with.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

None of it matters.

It could be a supercomputer and people would still bitch and moan because of the sticker shock.

Rational breakdowns of component costs? Who cares. Comparisons with the price of equivalent PC hardware? Ok egghead.

None of that generates clicks like a disgruntled Youtube thumbnail does.

There needs to be a massive pushback on these guys online. They're ruining gaming to make a quick buck. It has real consequences for the industry.

They do it because it generates more views. People are drawn to negativity. It provokes a stronger response than positivity. It's just a consequence of social engineering.

The biggest problem is no one gets in trouble for it. Everyone who said 700 was a ripoff is largely being proven wrong and it was obvious that would be the case because of the PC builds. We're just a few days away from benchmarking the PS5 Pro and those benchmarks are going to be VERY interesting.

People are going to have egg on their face no matter what, the only reason question is how much egg.

 

[RoadHazard]

Sure but you are getting something that is multifunctional which makes it a much better value proposition overall.

On the other hand, I do a lot of music recording etc, and that's way better on a Mac, so for me one of those plus a console is the better proposition over getting a gaming PC.

 

[Fabieter]

De is 450euro msrp and 550 euro
This is 21 % tax included. So lets compare apple with apples. Still makes it fuck expensive tough

It's 19% in Germany and excluding tax and convert it to Dollar it's still cheaper in the us just not as much as people think it is. But there is no reason to fuck over European people even if its just 10 bucks.

 

[Gaiff]

I still don't understand why that translates to just 45% better GPU performance. What is bottlenecking it?

Because it's only 67% better in compute and that's one aspect, a very important one, but one aspect nonetheless. The bandwidth for instance has just been increased by 28% and that's another major part.

It's possible you see gains much closer to 67% in games that are heavily compute-bound. 45% is a general ballpark figure.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Just remember that these are grown-ass folks arguing this and not even using proper comparison to do it.

Lets compare a 700 buck console with a 1000 buck (or more) PC. Yep, really settles any debate.

In any case, reg specs:

• Figured it was never going to be 33 actual TFLOPS - Its just a way of looking at it. 16 TF is still a sizeable increase, as one said its a whole Xbox One X you get in addition.
• Opting for Zen 2 is all there for compatibility
• The 2 GB DDR5 is interesting, but i assume that, like PS4, it is there either for the OS or as a cache.

All in all its a sizeable beast, but we need better breakdowns and even more detailed specs. I love to know what the GPU block is built out of. Just a few more days.

• We keep having this conversation about tflops with AMD chipsets and people not understanding.
• Not only is it about compatibility, but it's also about cost. This is not a PS6, why people expect them to put in a more advanced CPU when every game on it has to work on PS5...
• They increased the ram for a multitude of reasons, one it lowers the bottleneck for the more advanced GPU and second we're probably going to see a somewhat smoother performance in this UI which gives our brain the idea that something is significantly faster than it is

Hopefully we get both a sony breakdown as well as a tech talk from Cerny about the design methodology.

 

[Fafalada]

Could GPU still be RDNA2 with tacked on RDNA4 RT? Don't shoot me, ok!

Your best bet to play this semantics game is rdna3 with rdna4 tacked on in this gpu.

Sorry

 

[winjer]

Could GPU still be RDNA2 with tacked on RDNA4 RT? Don't shoot me, ok!

Leaks indicate the GU on the Pro has support for VOPD, so it's at least RDNA3.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Like the PS4 Pro this seems like Sony and AMD cutting out a deal where you get two SoCs for kind of the cost of one (approx.).

 

[Sophist]

I still don't understand why that translates to just 45% better GPU performance. What is bottlenecking it?

GPU gets more flops mostly by having more cores but everything is not infinitely parallelizable; some stuff will always be capped by single core performance. Do anyone know the difference in single core performance between a 1080 and a 4080? I am curious.

 

[Fabieter]

Could GPU still be RDNA2 with tacked on RDNA4 RT? Don't shoot me, ok!

According to some people the ps5 didn't even had rdna2

 

[Fafalada]

But even at the same power level (or above like PC i showed) PC offers things and flexibility not available on consoles.

Yes on flexibility, honestly that's a bigger reason than performance most of the time this generation as deltas are becoming increasingly less pronounced(pc is not exempt from the whole diminishing returns, also why we have 2000 euro gpus now).
But flipside of all that flexibility is that complete user experience is increasingly inferior for the past decade or so(yes, a lot of it has to do with Microsoft taking all the wrong steps, but its not just them).
As a mainstream offering, pc is not even a credible platform, and short of something like steamOS becoming 100x more popular i don't see that change anytime soon. We have decades of precedent on this too.

Mind you I say the above as someone that uses pc as the primary platform myself, this isn't complaints from the other side...

 

[damidu]

god! insufferable 40yo+ pc dorks desperate to let everyone know how uninterested they are (by spamming every console thread)

go stutter in the corner already

 

[winjer]

I see people getting too worried about the Pro's PSU. There is probably no reason for it.
The specs for the Pro PSU DC output is 12v at 35A. That is 420W.
But the specs of the PS5 is 12v at 31A. That is 372W.
The Pro will probably use a bit more power, but not that much. Maybe 225W, on average.

Neither of these consoles will use all this power continuously.
The reason why Sony, and many other manufacturers, over-spec the PSU is because transients, the PSUs longevity, and different operating temperatures.
Transient spikes are situations where the SoC might request more power that the normal budget. This is rare to happen, but the PSU needs to have the headroom, for when this happens, it has to be able to deliver, or the system will crash.
A PSU will also degrade with time, and will lose a bit of efficiency. So Sony has to account for that and place some headroom.
The final reason, is that temperature affects the efficiency of a PSU. So Sony also needs to account for some headroom for that.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Could be N5 technically, but given the timing N4P makes more sense, since it's lower cost per transistor.

It would, but wouldn't it make sense to be the same node as PS5 Slim? They may have gotten PS5 Slim redesign almost for free because of PS5 Pro being in the works.

 

[Gaiff]

I see people getting too worried about the Pro's PSU. There is probably no reason for it.
The specs for the Pro PSU DC output is 12v at 35A. That is 420W.
But the specs of the PS5 is 12v at 31A. That is 372W.
The Pro will probably use a bit more power, but not that much. Maybe 225W, on average.

Neither of these consoles will use all this power continuously.
The reason why Sony, and many other manufacturers, over-spec the PSU is because transients, the PSUs longevity, and different operating temperatures.
Transient spikes are situations where the SoC might request more power that the normal budget. But this is rare to happen. But the PSU needs to have the headroom, for when this happens, it can be able to deliver, or the system will crash.
A PSU will also degrade with time, and will lose a bit of efficiency. So Sony has to account for that and place some headroom.
The final reason, is that temperature affects the efficiency of a PSU. So Sony also needs to account for some headroom for that.

390W on the box is for the maximum rated power indeed. I've read here that the regular PS5 can have surges of up to 350W, 390W is accounting for those cases where there are brief spikes. If the max rated output was only 250W, it would run the risk of knocking the PSU offline.

I was estimating around 225W under load with the PS5 Pro. The regular one is around 200-210W while gaming.

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/legal/ecodesign/

 

[Sophist]

god! insufferable 40yo+ pc dorks desperate to let everyone know how uninterested they are (by spamming every console thread)

go stutter in the corner already

If sony would let you run another os in a virtual machine, with GPU pass-through, that thing would be a legit device for home computing.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Because it's only 67% better in compute and that's one aspect, a very important one, but one aspect nonetheless. The bandwidth for instance has just been increased by 28% and that's another major part.

It's possible you see gains much closer to 67% in games that are heavily compute-bound. 45% is a general ballpark figure.

I think it's more that the GPU clock isn't going to be sustained like it is on the base model.

 

[Gaiff]

I think it's more that the GPU clock isn't going to be sustained like it is on the base model.

We're not going down this road again.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Fuck your pcs

having lower power consumption is a good thing.....

 

[Loxus]

I wonder if the GPU also has a high frequency mode like the CPU.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Probably has something to do with the fact that the PS4 Pro was CPU-limited in many cases or simply caped to 30fps. All they could do was increase the resolution.

No. I am talking about GPU performance when not CPU limited. This is how GPUs work.

 

[Gaiff]

No. I am talking about GPU performance when not CPU limited. This is how GPUs work.

Do you have examples of PS4 vs PS4 Pro's performance with uncapped frame rate or when they aren't CPU-limited? Because that tablet-tier CPU was a much more limiting factor than the PS4 Pro's GPU in most cases.

 

[dano1]

High-end is something that is exclusive an expensive, so here is your problem something that it is relatively affordable is not high-end product.

From Oxford dictionary - denoting the most expensive of a range of products.

So yes it is high-end PlayStation, high-end console, but it is not high-end gaming device. When you think about high end cars you don't think about VW or Ford. you think Ferrari, RR, Lamborghini, Bugatti or some other luxurious less know car brands, when you talk high end watches you don't think about Omega or Rolex, but more about Patek etc.

If you are after high-end gaming, it is PC - powerful, with latest CPU, GPU and crazy amount of fastest memory etc. That's high-end gaming device.

Price wise for PS5Pro is too expensive compared to what it offers and what was shown so far, but if there customers wanting to buy it is fine by me. I just spent same amount of money on ROG Ally X last month while as I got too tired with steam deck issues (still got both), my PC is a bit older now, but still rocks cool 64gb DDR5, 4tb nve ssd and and gtx3090 and i9 12 CPU. Need upgrading but I am upgrading my PC every 2 gens (nvidia gens) now, so will wait till 5090 comes out and will probably go with 128gb ram and 8tb build. That's my friend played on big 120hz 4K Oled monitor is high end gaming.

How is $700 to expensive? You spend that much on your CPU.
PS5 Pro is without a doubt the best deal in all of gaming!! Until the PS6 comes out of course. PCs are cool but they are a complete pain in the ass for gaming.

 

[Three]

similar performing pc gpus are not using 400w, a whole system with a 4070ti would be around that.

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Review: A Costly 70-Class GPU

Open up your wallet and say ouch

www.tomshardware.com

Which is still high power consumption in comparison. They're GPU in-line tests too.

The lower 4070ti using its full power would be 285W which is pretty close to the 300-400W range and its just for the lower end GPU. Even for a 4070ti nvidia recommend a 700W power supply because CPU, Motherboard etc would push it a fair bit above especially at those higher less efficient resolutions. I expect 400W whole system is a good guess for an average but not max. You're comparing to max system power draw on a console though. PCs are far less efficient on average unless they're SoC laptops.