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[KimDongHwan]

Game dev time is longer than it used to be. We all understand that yet still complain. Unless you want your ps5 game to look like it was made in 2008 gotta be patient. shit takes time

Yep that's why I said that we acknowledge that is not like that, but accepting the truth takes time given that it also took Sony 3-4 generations of amazing console output to build that reputation in the first place and now we just need to adapt to the new way of things. I think another thing that bothers me is that if games take so long to make and they are so costly then it hits you double that they waste time and money on games no one cares about

 

[Unknown?]

Colin Moriarty of "The Vita will beat the 3DS" fame, lmao

Until they dropped the price by 1/3rd and moneyhatted the biggest portable franchise, the 3DS wasn't even feeding water.

 

[XXL]

It was till the viewership records thread popped up, some Sony fans started to act like this is a greatest show and all those C and below ratings are GAF bubbles.

Well the average rating for one of the SOPs in 2024 was rated almost 90% C or below.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rate-the-state-of-play-30-05-24.1671161/

That SOP featured Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Monster Hunter Wilds and Silent Hill 2. Path of Exile 2 was also there and Im pretty sure Rebirth was there too.

To be fair, it also had a bunch of garbage, but we got 3 (or 4) of the best games of last year from it.

A bunch of you have no fucking idea whats good or what isn't.

 

[VideoGameEnjoyer]

Game development just needs a major shakeup. Takes way too fucking long to make games these days.

 

[K' Dash]

It was a good show, I liked many of the games presented, 4 of them will buy day one.

Problem is, none of them are PS exclusive games, that's why the fanboys are mad: Sony made a SOP to present a Remaster of a game they made clear don't give a shit about and a CGI trailer of a game that might as well be vaporware at this moment.

 

[Vaquilla]

Until they dropped the price by 1/3rd and moneyhatted the biggest portable franchise, the 3DS wasn't even feeding water.

Colin said Vita would outsell 3DS several months after the 2011 3DS price cut.

 

[ANoa]

Until they dropped the price by 1/3rd and moneyhatted the biggest portable franchise, the 3DS wasn't even feeding water.

The 3DS price dropped almost immediately and was before the Vita came out.

 

[Unknown?]

Colin said Vita would outsell 3DS several months after the 2011 3DS price cut.

Oh then that was a poor take.

The 3DS price dropped almost immediately and was before the Vita came out.

Yeah because it was doing horribly at $250. Would have failed at $250, but still beat Vita.

 

[Boss Mog]

I have to agree with him, as far as state of plays go, that one was pretty decent. It was mostly Asian games, so no DEI bullshit and good looking characters, there was very little indie fodder and the Western games shown looked at the very least intriguing. Lack of first party? I'll take a spiritual successor to Returnal and a remaster of Days Gone over Intergalactic and Ghost of Yotei any day.

 

[ANoa]

Yeah because it was doing horribly at $250. Would have failed at $250, but still beat Vita.

It also had a terrible launch lineup. Nobody knows what would have happened if they kept it at $250 until the big hitters like Mario Kart and Pokemon released. And as new smart phone owners realized that browser-tier mobile games can't replace what they had with handhelds.

 

[DannyDanger]

If Sony did a showcase last week that showed the following games I don't think there would be complaints:

Ghost of Yotei - They showed this in what September or October? It's releasing this year, but they can't show it yet?
Intergalactic - Could have waited to show the trailer from TGA
Saros - Obviously the showed it in the SoP
MLB The Show 25 - This game is literally coming out in like a month
Marathon - If this game is still coming out this year, they're going to have to show it soon
Death Stranding 2 - Literally have an event dedicated to it in March...
Lost Soul Aside - Showed it at the SoP
Day's Gone Remaster

Hell add to that could have held off announcing Spider-Man 2 and Last of Us 2 for PC until this show and delayed Spider-Man 2 until it was actually ready to launch.

That would have been a hell of a showcase...

Eww. This would be cookie cutter.

 

[decisions]

Totally get where he's coming from.

I mean if you can't be excited about the good things -- and there were a lot of great-looking games in the SOP -- then even if there are really big problems in the industry it just becomes tiring to engage with you.

If you had some insanely high expectations for an SOP where several exciting announcements/trailers (Onimusha, TOA, Saros, etc.) still weren't enough for you to not be pissed off, you're just a complete fool, hopefully not one over the age of 14.

 

[LectureMaster]

Well the average rating for one of the SOPs in 2024 was rated almost 90% C or below.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rate-the-state-of-play-30-05-24.1671161/

That SOP featured Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Monster Hunter Wilds and Silent Hill 2. Path of Exile 2 was also there and Im pretty sure Rebirth was there too.

To be fair, it also had a bunch of garbage, but we got 3 (or 4) of the best games of last year from it.

A bunch of you have no fucking idea whats good or what isn't.

When people anticipating SoP, people are looking to outputs form the first party. And here's the summary of your SoP May 2024.

Everything revealed in the May 2024 State of Play

Trailers and reveals of Astro Bot, Concord, Until Dawn, Monster Hunter Wilds, and much more.

blog.playstation.com

The only new and good thing from PlayStation Studios was Astro. Helldivers 2, SH2 Remake were revealed way back, MHW is coming to every platform, why the hell I would rate this is a good SoP because of them?

Similarly for the newest SoP, I'm all sure that Onimusha, Tides of Annihilation, and other third party games would be great, but what do have to do with PlayStation?

We simply have different points/tastes and that certainly don't make you know better what's good or not than me.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

When people anticipating SoP, people are looking to outputs form the first party. And here's the summary of your SoP May 2024.

They shouldn't be

That was Colin's point,

It's not a first party showcase, it's a state of play

States of play are always third party focused, and why are you not allowed to be excited for third party games that get revealed?

Everything at the Xbox direct was third party, except for South of Midnight, and traditionally Xbox Directs have only been mostly about first party games. And somehow that show got very high scores

 

[Fess]

Also weird how when Colin is talking about Concords budget he is full of shit and dead to you but when he shares your opinion on a SoP he's good again

Are you already right on everything you say or do you sometimes get it wrong?

 

[LectureMaster]

They shouldn't be

That was Colin's point,

It's not a first party showcase, it's a state of play

States of play are always third party focused, and why are you not allowed to be excited for third party games that get revealed?

Everything at the Xbox direct was third party, except for South of Midnight, and traditionally Xbox Directs have only been mostly about first party games. And somehow that show got very high scores

Third party never was explicitly stated as the premise of State of Play.

This is from direct from Sony's website:

I am all happy with the third-party announcements (especially tides of annihilation), while let down by lack of first-party announcements (I didn't expect anything Bloodborne at all, but at least announce GoW Greek Saga), I am sure you can and will understand the nuance here.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Eww. This would be cookie cutter.

Essentially 3 new IP and two sequels to acclaimed games is cookie cutter? Maybe you don't know what cookie cutter means.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

The fact that Colin is even acknowledging it, is pretty telling. The reception was pretty bad.

Concord's monumental flop was a wake up call and I think it actually damaged Sony's image a bit. They were very quick to bury it in the dirt though, so good on them for that. I mean that decision is a historic one.

I think since then, it has kind of painted a target on Sony's back from fans and critics, and rightfully so. That along with the absurd focus on remakes and remasters from just last generation, it feels like they have just been treading water this gen. Those of us that follow the industry knew Sony had changed their creative direction to gaas and preachy, forced DEI agendas in their games.

Everything they show from here on out is going to be met with a lot of side-eye and presumptions, given the rep they have built for themselves this gen. Until we see some more real course correction, Sony will be in the hot seat.

Whether it really matters or not at this point is another topic. Sony will be fine since they have the de-facto home console for all third parties at this point.

 

[Fess]

For me this was likely the best SOP ever. Wasn't just for PS fans, it was a show filled with games for everyone, never expected that. As said I went directly to Steam and wishlisted 6 games.

 

[jaydogg691]

I like the company and crew Colin has established with LSM.

Colin and his rants on why people don't agree with him have become tiresome. He makes a show for his audience and should just focus on his audience. He's a niche for the greater PS audience.

In this recent episode he is gloating on Sony's PS5 sales milestone, but goes really hard on the opinions of the cesspool that is today's video game social media crowd.

Dude really needs to focus on the product that is SS and stay away from noise that really brings no insight to the video game industry.

He'll never catch a glimpse of this post because the people of NeoGAF were not nice to him. :'(

 

[Felessan]

If Sony did a showcase last week that showed the following games I don't think there would be complaints:

Ghost of Yotei - They showed this in what September or October? It's releasing this year, but they can't show it yet?
Intergalactic - Could have waited to show the trailer from TGA
Saros - Obviously the showed it in the SoP
MLB The Show 25 - This game is literally coming out in like a month
Marathon - If this game is still coming out this year, they're going to have to show it soon
Death Stranding 2 - Literally have an event dedicated to it in March...
Lost Soul Aside - Showed it at the SoP
Day's Gone Remaster

Hell add to that could have held off announcing Spider-Man 2 and Last of Us 2 for PC until this show and delayed Spider-Man 2 until it was actually ready to launch.

That would have been a hell of a showcase...

Most bland fanboy show.
Will take Tides of Annihilation any day over that.

 

[diffusionx]

Colin and other nerds who say this stuff don't get it. Nobody gives a shit about Housemarque's new game that is a year away and we all know they were working on something (Returnal wasn't that popular). Nobody cares about the endless list of random Chinese games. I mean, they might be good. We'll cross that bridge when we got there.

People watch these to be blown away by something awesome and surprising. One awesome surprise game turns it from a D to an A. That's all people want. It's why people like Nintendo's shows, because they will put in at least one or two things that make people say "wow", it doesn't even have to be something huge, like go back to the thread about the Xenoblade X reveal, that wasn't even in a Direct, just a random drop, but people loved it.

Like if Sony put in a Resistance or Motorstorm collection, then I guarantee it would have gotten way more buzz than it got.

 

[TexMex]

He's right.

 

[yurinka]

Yes, people as usual had retardedly unrealistic expectations for a February SoP, partly because believed the usual fake 'leaks' from 'insiders'.

And some people will always complain independently of what they show, yes.

Colin and other nerds who say this stuff don't get it. Nobody gives a shit about Housemarque's new game that is a year away and we all know they were working on something (Returnal wasn't that popular).

People who have a minimum idea about videogames cares about Housemarque's next game, because they are a great studio and Returnal got great reviews and many awards because it was awesome.

 

[diffusionx]

Yes, people as usual had retardedly unrealistic expectations for a February SoP, partly because believed the usual fake 'leaks' from 'insiders'.

And some people will always complain independently of what they show, yes.


People who have a minimum idea about videogames cares about Housemarque's next game, because they are a great studio and Returnal got great reviews and many awards because it was awesome.

Way to miss the point. Like I said, the game may or may not be good but that's for a different day.

It's about putting on a good show, which Sony did not do. You mention the fake leaks, the irony is the fake leaks are what people actually want to see and what would lead to the show getting high marks. Like we saw Xenoblade X on fake leaks for years before Nintendo actually announced it.

 

[ProtoByte]

Yeah, less than 1.5 million are truly enlightened in gaming. Lmao

People don't play games for peon shit. Deal with it.

 

[yurinka]

Way to miss the point. Like I said, the game may or may not be good but that's for a different day.

It's about putting on a good show, which Sony did not do. You mention the fake leaks, the irony is the fake leaks are what people actually want to see and what would lead to the show getting high marks. Like we saw Xenoblade X on fake leaks for years before Nintendo actually announced it.

Considering it was just a February SoP, it featured several great games plus many other games that may not be top quality games and aren't for everybody but will be loved by the niche/player type they target.

They can't drop a dozen megatons here because they also have to fill the 'E3' SoP, the September TGS SoP, plus give something to the Doritos Awards and Summer Doritos Fest, plus also to fill a few other SoP across the year. And well, this is only for this year: they obviously also have to same games for other years.

Even in that case, Xbox and Nintendo fanboys would still say that it was bad. And the Sony fans would like that SoP but would complain because after it, in the next 2-3 years they wouldn't have any great announcement in any event (this time for real).

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Leave these poor multi billion dollar companies alone

 

[Nickolaidas]

Jesus Christ, was I just as annoying when I was a Sony fanboy?

 

[Kenneth Haight]

This was their "turn the GaaS ship 180 degrees and pivot back the fuck in to making games" state of play. That I have little doubt of. It wasn't amazing but wasn't bad either.

The fact that we got a housemarque teaser and it looks dope AF is more than enough in my eyes. Saros looks sick.

 

[DenchDeckard]

The fact he has to say this shit literally proves the point of those dissapointed.

If it was truly a great state of play we would have all been impressed by it.

This guys defence of Sony has always been extreme. Good to see he is still carrying the flag and getting emotionally upset about people not praising his favourite games company.

This is my problem with Colin. I respect him but he acts like this stuff doesn't affect him emotionally and he is not a dillusioned fan boy, when he absolutely is.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Nobody gives a shit about Housemarque's new game

Xenoblade X reveal, that wasn't even in a Direct, just a random drop, but people loved it.

 

[Sweden85]

Yes he is right, and as Chris also says. Its cool to be negative, people are never happy about anything..always complaining. Social media is a cancer on everything.

 

[mckmas8808]

It was a great showcase for people who like to talk about video games.

Not so much if you want to play them.

But most of those games had release dates.

 

[mckmas8808]

We've seen that individually the games at the State of Play were positively received.

I think the problem with the perception around the State of Play itself is more nuanced than someone like Colin can comprehend.

People aren't viewing the SoP in a vacuum. People didn't want a SoP to begin with, they wanted a showcase. So when you're already disappointed from the get go, it's not likely you'll go up from there.

Sony has a presentation problem more than anything else. They aren't doing a good enough job curating the games they're showing. If I were to show anyone 40 games, the majority of people aren't going to be interested in more than 5 or 6 games. So watching a show filled with games you're not interested in only to end the show with a CG trailer showing no gameplay... yeah, that's not a great way to end a show.

The Day's Gone Remaster didn't help the narrative either, though Sony has always done remasters.

Sony has a perception problem and that's not a hot take to point that out. It's like the NBA All-Star game with Kevin Hart actively shitting on the game because big men are shooting 3s. People watching aren't going to perceive that well, especially if they miss a bunch in a row right after he says that.

Do these same idiots not understand that Sony's "E3" tend to be in May? What's so wrong with waiting 3 more months for a showcase? And funny enough Xbox doesn't have a perception problem (amongst the Western video game's media). Funny that....

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

People want a Bloodborne remaster. Every time there is a State of Play for at least the last 5 years; people are praying for a Bloodborne remaster.

Personally for a "showcase" to be good, I need to see something that hypes me up. I saw some games I was interested in, but nothing excited me.

SAROS is not the mic drop that they thought it was. A decent actor spelling out that he's in a literal rougue-lite (with no gameplay shown).

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Do these same idiots not understand that Sony's "E3" tend to be in May? What's so wrong with waiting 3 more months for a showcase? And funny enough Xbox doesn't have a perception problem (amongst the Western video game's media). Funny that....

Most people whether they're willing to vocalize it realize that we're in the final moments of Xbox as a console. No one holds Microsoft to any standards as a result.

Sony is still held to a high standard and they haven't had a meaningful quality showcase for some time. The perception problem will continue until Sony does enough to justify being the market leader from a marketing perspective.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The perception problem will continue until Sony does enough to justify being the market leader from a marketing perspective

They just sold record consoles last quarter. There's no perception problem.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

They just sold record consoles last quarter. There's no perception problem.

And Concord was the biggest flop in their history having to be pulled within weeks all in the same year.

Two things can be true at once.

Their sales are great but they absolutely have a perception, PR, and marketing problem.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

Most people whether they're willing to vocalize it realize that we're in the final moments of Xbox as a console. No one holds Microsoft to any standards as a result.

Sony is still held to a high standard and they haven't had a meaningful quality showcase for some time. The perception problem will continue until Sony does enough to justify being the market leader from a marketing perspective.

Nah, even though Xbox's last Developer Direct had like 5 games, what was shown was more exciting. A beloved franchise making a return in Ninja Gaiden 4 (with a remaster of Ninja Gaiden 2 dropping the same day). That alone is more exciting than anything shown at the recent SoP.

 

[Schmendrick]

When your big first party output has been so bad that everyone still can't believe it and expects things to change with a "BAM!" with every new show then each show will disappoint.

Sony fucked up their first party pipeline this gen with their GAAS push, that's just how it is.

 

[Fabieter]

To me it just proves how badly managed 1p studios are rn. The games itself were alright but from a Sony perspective it was telling.

 

[Bernardougf]

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Nah, even though Xbox's last Developer Direct had like 5 games, what was shown was more exciting. A beloved franchise making a return in Ninja Gaiden 4 (with a remaster of Ninja Gaiden 2 dropping the same day). That alone is more exciting than anything shown at the recent SoP.

1.1 million people watched the developer direct 3 weeks ago. Over 3 million people watched the State of Play less than a week ago.

The only exclusive in that show was South of Midnight. It has 131K views on the main Xbox page. It has a 2:1 like to dislike ratio. It seems the only ones interested in the game are Xbox players in Mexico and Brazil with about 660K views collectively.

The trailer for Tides of Annihilation itself has 940K views in just 3 days. The Onimusha trailer has 400K views.

Saros has 367K views in just 5 days...

Objectively, you realize you're wrong right? No one cares about Xbox as a brand at this point. They're market irrelevant.

 

[Xtib81]

I vividly remember the 2018 Sony conference which lasted 1 hour and showcased 4 games : Tlou, Tsushima, Spiderman and DS with long ass gameplay demoes.

Or the 2016 conference that opened with the orchestra and a live demo of Gow, followed by gameplay of Horizon, days gone, the last guardian, Detroit and RE7. In just 30minutes.

That's the kind of shows that I want, big games, GAMEPLAY demoes and ambition ffs.
People have extremely low standards these days.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

1.1 million people watched the developer direct 3 weeks ago. Over 3 million people watched the State of Play less than a week ago.

The only exclusive in that show was South of Midnight. It has 131K views on the main Xbox page. It has a 2:1 like to dislike ratio. It seems the only ones interested in the game are Xbox players in Mexico and Brazil with about 660K views collectively.

The trailer for Tides of Annihilation itself has 940K views in just 3 days. The Onimusha trailer has 400K views.

Saros has 367K views in just 5 days...

Objectively, you realize you're wrong right? No one cares about Xbox as a brand at this point. They're market irrelevant.

Views do not equal sentiment.

Game of Thrones final episode broke it's record for concurrent viewers with 19 million people watching live. Does that make the finale the best episode? No.

Mobile games have the most users. Does that make Mobile the best platform for gaming?

People were excited by what was shown at Xbox's developer direct and underwhelmed by what was shown at Sony's State of Play. That's a fucking fact. It has nothing to do with Xbox or Sony, just the showcases in and of themselves.

 

[GymWolf]

It was a decent third party showcase, the dude should keep his head outside of drunkman's ass and understand why people watch a sony even to begin with.

If these are the "good and insightful" podcasters, i'm glad i don't follow any of these motherfuckers at all.

Guys if you dont change your vote to an A Colin is seriously going to retire

Changing from B to F as we speak.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Views do not equal sentiment.

Game of Thrones final episode broke it's record for concurrent viewers with 19 million people watching live. Does that make the finale the best episode? No.

Mobile games have the most users. Does that make Mobile the best platform for gaming?

People were excited by what was shown at Xbox's developer direct and underwhelmed by what was shown at Sony's State of Play. That's a fucking fact. It has nothing to do with Xbox or Sony, just the showcases in and of themselves.

If they were underwhelmed why do the individual trailers all have positive reception?

Again, I think you're conflating things together here.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I like Hellblade. I dont cry about other people not agreeing and threaten to retire over it lol. Its other people that try and insist I change my mind. I dont insist anything for anyone else.

I enjoyed Hellblade II as well. Great experience and then I moved on. Not going to bring it up outside of little posts like this. More to say, I stand with you broski!

 

[DenchDeckard]

Until they dropped the price by 1/3rd and moneyhatted the biggest portable franchise, the 3DS wasn't even feeding water.

Talking about money hats when defending sony is a wild take. How many games of last year werent money hats from Sony?

Sounds like Nintendo wanted their platform to succeed so they redesigned it, invested in the hardware and software to make it succeed. Just like Sony has been doing with third party money hats for the last 30 years.