After Switch 2 reveal let me introduce you to PC handhelds

Cyberpunkd said:
Guys, I get it if you are a hardcore Nintendo fan, but at least be honest and don't put things such as "games optimized for the platform", "portability", etc. PC handhelds - Steam Deck, ROG Ally X, Lenovo Legion - do all this and much better:

1. They allow to tweak the graphics settings and framerate if you want to prioritise graphics / fps / battery life, something you cannot do on the Switch and Switch 2
2. You are guaranteed endless backwards compatibility, older games will cost you nothing to "upgrade" and will play better as components get upgraded
3. Steam CD-Keys cost pennies compared even to Steam Sales ; handhelds running Windows give you the ability to subscribe to Game Pass
4. No paid online, duh


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I hear everything you said. Why im waiting for the MS handheld with steam and other PC shit. I still play consoles but feel I'm leaning more to handheld.

And I'm still getting a Switch 2 cause Nintendo doesn't share their 1st party games.
 
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I mean, provide no value for me, I play on an actual PC attached to a big screen in the living room with a controller and for Nintendo games I'll always prefer OG hardware. If anything, Switch 2 is probably gonna drive me a little to portable gaming but still...
 
I think your missing the point and the value of their exclusives.
I am however waiting on the next Steamdeck. I want one now but i have this weird feeling about buying today and a 2 around the corner perhaps.
 
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lestar said:
Yuzu came out in 2018, and it was an emulator for a new hardware, Switch 2 is an iteration of Switch 1 hardware, they could use the yuzu code as a base to speedup the emulator development
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Yeah except it really isnt, and you cant reuse the yuzu base to "speed up" Switch emulation.
But have fun waiting :)
 
There literally is no reason to get the Switch 2. I was so excited for this but after the reveal and the lack of information, it's a no go.
 
Cyberpunkd said:
1. They allow to tweak the graphics settings and framerate if you want to prioritise graphics / fps / battery life, something you cannot do on the Switch and Switch 2
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Why do this when you can resell the same game over and over again?

Capped framerate and resolution is the part I hate most about consoles. If Nintendo didn't have exclusives, I wouldn't bother.
 
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Oh look another one of these PC gamer tries to convince others that their platform is the right choice threads.

Magic Carpet said:
I don't know if they can, Nintendo announced 3rd party exclusives. Nintendo might be a bit worried about these PC handhelds.
Will Asus, Lenovo, Steamdeck start doing exclusives next?
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Fucking LOL. Nintendo isn't worried about shit. Steam Deck is the highest selling of the PC handhelds and it sold what? 3M? The Switch has sold like 50x that, and the Switch 2 will sell much more then any of these PC handhelds combined.
 
Magic Carpet said:
Is the Switch 2 more powerful than my LCD Steam Deck?
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Switch 2 is theoretically weaker than OG Steamdeck based on the leaked portable clocks. Switch 2 is 0.86TF single FP32, or around 1.1TF in a real world scenario of simultanious FP16 and FP32 workloads. Steamdeck is 1.6TF single FP32, it does not support simultanious FP16 and FP32 calculations.

Rog Ally is 3.3TF single FP32 and around 4.2TF in a real world FP16+FP32 workload. The Z1 Extreme Rog Ally routinely went on sale for $500 or less brand new, and Asus doesn't have software or a software store to subsidize hardware cost like Nintendo does.
 
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Magic Carpet said:
Then why spend money on 3rd party exclusive BS?
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Where have you lived? Under a rock? This has always been a thing, and will continue to be a thing. Is Sony worried about Xbox because they have third party exclusives?

If you think that the biggest name in gaming is worried about systems that sell maybe 1-2M in their lifetime then that's fucking hilarious.
 
Haint said:
Switch 2 is theoretically weaker than OG Steamdeck based on the leaked portable clocks. S2 is 0.86TF single FP32, or around 1.1TF in an ideal scenario of simultanious FP16 and FP32 workloads. Steamdeck is 1.6TF FP32.
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Speaking of, wonder how they achieve 4k? Extra chip for upscaling in the Dock?
 
Variahunter said:
It's the same architecture coming from the Switch 1...
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And you know that how exactly?
Are you an officially registered Nintendo dev? (I am)
Do you have access to a Switch 2 devkit?
Variahunter said:
Why Nintendo has been C&D every emulator developers lately in your opinion ?
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Nintendo hasnt been C&D ing EVERY emulator, only those that did illegal stuff like distributing their emu with Nintendo´s decryption keys.
We use Nintendo emulators on a daily basis to sell emulated games on modern platforms, Nintendo has not C&D´d those!
Variahunter said:
Because it'll be easily based on the same architecture as the Switch 1. We might see emulators on the first or second year at the latest, with very good compatibility and better graphics options.
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You keep saying that, so please explain exactly what "same architecture" means in terms of emulation programming.
Does Switch 2 use the exact same timings and API calls? What about the security system - how do you emulate that when it hasnt been broken yet?

But I´m sure you will have fun playing all the Switch 2 games on the Steam Deck 3 or 4 ;)
 
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jshackles said:
I agree with most of what you've said, but this is false. I have tons of games on Steam that don't run in Windows 10/11 or the Steam Deck, and they're from defunct publishers that will never update them. Some have user-generated mods that let them run, others are lost forever. You don't actually get a guarantee. I mean, it's a pretty good track record that only a handful of my 5000 games don't work, but still...
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Examples??
 
And all of those alternatives have a very sad battery life.

I recall trying to play Assassin's Creed 2 on my Steam Deck. It barely lasted 90 minutes. The Switch version lasted 5 hours.
 
hououinkyouma00 said:
Fucking LOL. Nintendo isn't worried about shit. Steam Deck is the highest selling of the PC handhelds and it sold what? 3M? The Switch has sold like 50x that, and the Switch 2 will sell much more then any of these PC handhelds combined.
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Valve doesn't care about hardware sales, it's a path for them to sell more steam games.
 
Bond007 said:
I think your missing the point and the value of their exclusives.
I am however waiting on the next Steamdeck. I want one now but i have this weird feeling about buying today and a 2 around the corner perhaps.
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Just do what I did, I found a cheap LCD Deck 256gb with case, dock and controller for $220 on facebook marketplace. I have MORE than got my money's worth. FAR more.
 
Cyberpunkd said:
Valve doesn't care about hardware sales, it's a path for them to sell more steam games.
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The point was Nintendo isn't scared of stuff like the Deck or Ally which is what was said.

It doesn't matter what Steam cares about. That has nothing to do with Nintendo being worried about
 
Nintendo has no rival when it comes to portable devices, it's much more convenient and its exclusive content is worth it.

So just get a desktop PC for games with a focus on graphics/performance and you've got the perfect combo.
 
Cyberpunkd said:
Guys, I get it if you are a hardcore Nintendo fan, but at least be honest and don't put things such as "games optimized for the platform", "portability", etc. PC handhelds - Steam Deck, ROG Ally X, Lenovo Legion - do all this and much better:

1. They allow to tweak the graphics settings and framerate if you want to prioritise graphics / fps / battery life, something you cannot do on the Switch and Switch 2
2. You are guaranteed endless backwards compatibility, older games will cost you nothing to "upgrade" and will play better as components get upgraded
3. Steam CD-Keys cost pennies compared even to Steam Sales ; handhelds running Windows give you the ability to subscribe to Game Pass
4. No paid online, duh


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Cyberpunkd said:
Guys, I get it if you are a hardcore Nintendo fan, but at least be honest and don't put things such as "games optimized for the platform", "portability", etc. PC handhelds - Steam Deck, ROG Ally X, Lenovo Legion - do all this and much better:

1. They allow to tweak the graphics settings and framerate if you want to prioritise graphics / fps / battery life, something you cannot do on the Switch and Switch 2
2. You are guaranteed endless backwards compatibility, older games will cost you nothing to "upgrade" and will play better as components get upgraded
3. Steam CD-Keys cost pennies compared even to Steam Sales ; handhelds running Windows give you the ability to subscribe to Game Pass
4. No paid online, duh


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how bout no
 
Your going to get some triggered people switch fanboys, but you're right.

If it's a recent PC game, chances are good it will run better on steam deck than it does on switch. The latter is just so sad. Verdict is out on switch 2, but you're paying a premium like you said. If you like multiplatform games, and you buy a lot, the cost savings could translate to being able to get a steam deck or whatever and it be a wash cost-wise.
 
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ScHlAuChi said:
And you know that how exactly?
Are you an officially registered Nintendo dev? (I am)
Do you have access to a Switch 2 devkit?
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You are a registered Nintendo dev. OK.

Do you have a Switch 2 devkit ? NO.
So you don't have any other info.

The leaks have made the architecture largely known to everybody. It's very similar to the Nvidia Tegra as I recall.

ScHlAuChi said:
Nintendo hasnt been C&D ing EVERY emulator, only those that did illegal stuff like distributing their emu with Nintendo´s decryption keys.
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So why Ryujinx does not have any update now ? Why the developper has stopped any work on it ? Because they threaten him.
It's known.
We have forks made by other developers but it kinda under the mantle. There is no update anymore.

ScHlAuChi said:
You keep saying that, so please explain exactly what "same architecture" means in terms of emulation programming.
Does Switch 2 use the exact same timings and API calls? What about the security system - how do you emulate that when it hasnt been broken yet?

But I´m sure you will have fun playing all the Switch 2 games on the Steam Deck 3 or 4 ;)
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I'll admit not a tech guy, but I'm basing this on the facts that PS2 and PS3 have very different, custom architecture, and that's why emulation for those are widly different and difficult.

On the other hand, PS4 and PS5 are X86, so pretty close in how games could potentially being ported to a PC.
That's maybe why Shad PS4 has seen a very good progress in a few months.

Now on the specs matter.

GPU :
  • Switch is a custom Tegra X1 based on Maxwell 2.0 architecture.
  • The leaks suggest that Switch 2 is Ampere based, GPU is GA10F, Orins being the GA10B, so a derivative of some sorts and an evolution of the Tegra X1.
For CPU :
  • Switch 1 is ARM Cortex A57
  • Switch 2 seems to be ARM Cortex A78C
And lastly, the simple fact that all Nintendo Switch games are compatible (without being emulated) should tell you that they're very similar design wise. Xenoblade X even has a 60fps mode in its code, probably to run on Switch 2. A simple line of code.
 
I have a Legion Go but will still buy a Switch 2 for exclusives and inevitable friends playing mario kart/party. Still want another PC handheld that has Steam Deck/Legion Go performance but at much lighter weight. That'll happen eventually. The Ayaneo Air 1S weighed about the same as a regular Switch but with a 5.5" display
 
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