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[alphachino]

Sony, Microsoft and Apple all refuse to work with nVidia due to their scummy practices and bad experiences.

Microsoft used nv for the first in the OG xbox, and never again.
Sony used nv in the PS3 for the first time, and never again.
Apple is a slightly different case in that they have to satiate their own thirsty monopolistic desires, but the outcome is the same.

Also, the only GPU manufacturer with a semblance of a conscience and consumer-friendliness in EVGA abruptly shut down their GPU operation to stop having to deal with nvidia.

This is what Linus Torvalds, father of Linux has to say about NVIDIA...

(To be fair, I do realise that Linus has recently said that there has been some improvement with Nvidia, but I digress)

Nintendo is the last major player in the gaming space happy to still be pegged by nvidia, and they're the only major console player to have gone back for seconds.

Consoles are notoriously low-margin, with retailers making only about $5 per console. Nintendo also infamously never sell their hardware at a loss, only to recoup those losses through software sales later - they want to have their cake and eat it too.

However, due to them being bent over a barrel for a second generation running, it's likely their hardware profits are slimmer than previous gens which is why we see them trying to excessively gouge everyone on their software.

Just my two cents.

 

[wizaga]

Or Amd is just a cheaper option for the different companies

 

[Scrawnton]

How did Nintendo get pegged by nVidia? Considering the tech Switch had at the time and with what Switch 2 is doing at its price point, I'd say the nVidia / Nintendo partnership has been a win win.

 

[justiceiro]

Switch 2 cost around 350$ in Japan. Fuck Nintendo.

 

[Fafalada]

There aren't really any good-actors in these types of situations - but yes, NVidia exploited their position of leverage against both Sony and MS to maximise profits at expense of the customer.

Of course people will argue that MS and Sony had only themselves to blame to be in such a bad position - but NVidia wasn't just commercially hostile - og. XBox was the only console in recent (25 years) memory where developers had no GPU documentation to speak of (or lower-level access understanding that didn't involve reverse engineering).
PS3 wasn't as bad - but NVidia also fought tooth and nail before actually giving developers more access to the hw there.

 

[alphachino]

How did Nintendo get pegged by nVidia? Considering the tech Switch had at the time and with what Switch 2 is doing at its price point, I'd say the nVidia / Nintendo partnership has been a win win.

We don't know exactly what is going on behind the scenes... but considering nv's pricing of their recenty GPUs, it would not surprise me if Nintendo are being bent over a barrel. Sure, it was a win-win for Switch 1, but if Switch 2 fails, I have a feeling they won't be going with Nvidia again, and the delays in in the release of the Switch 2... (which was heavily rumored to be released in 2023) was likely all due to the cost of chips from Nvidia. This is all speculation on my part though, I do have to admit, but the shoe honestly fits.

There is nothing about the Switch 2 tech-wise, or software-wise that warranted such an elongated Switch 1 generation.

 

[Gaiff]

Nintendo could have just gone with AMD if they weren't happy with the price. They didn't because this isn't on NVIDIA, this is on them being greedy fucks who will charge you full price for a port of a 10-year-old game where almost nothing was done.

People sometimes forget how utterly greedy and backwards Nintendo is. Those guys want you to pay for something to help you discover the device YOU PAID FOR. Sony bundled Astro's Playroom for free and it looks a lot better than whatever that thing Nintendo is selling.

 

[ValiantInstance]

AMD make great APUs. Unless Sony and MS want to go ARM like Apple then they are the best choice on the market.

 

[alphachino]

Switch 2 cost around 350$ in Japan. Fuck Nintendo.

Nintendo need to maintain their stronghold in Japan so the rest of the world is subsidizing their home market. Which is probably how it should be to a degree, and I don't begrudge them doing that. Everything from development and administration cost to logistics would be significantly cheaper in their home country.

 

[Three]

Nintendo could have just gone with AMD if they weren't happy with the price. They didn't because this isn't on NVIDIA, this is on them being greedy fucks who will charge you full price for a port of a 10-year-old game where almost nothing was done.

This would have made backwards compatibility difficult.

 

[Baemono]

Nintendo could have just gone with AMD if they weren't happy with the price. They didn't because this isn't on NVIDIA, this is on them being greedy fucks who will charge you full price for a port of a 10-year-old game where almost nothing was done.

AMD doesn't really have the same kind of mobile ARM SoC NVidida has, that's why they went with the Tegra X1 in the first place

 

[alphachino]

This would have made backwards compatibility difficult.

exactly. The list of compatibility issues is already vast as it is.

https://media.nintendo.com/switch-2/pdf-launchable_compatibility_issues_EN.pdf

https://media.nintendo.com/switch-2/pdf-compatibility_issues_EN.pdf

 

[GHG]

Mentioned this yesterday and saw it coming last year when there were rumours circulating about a strained relationship between the two parties.

Nintendo won't gave had much of a choice either as they wanted continuity between the two platforms.

 

[Zathalus]

Considering the age of the SOC and the process it is on, I highly doubt Nvidia is the problem here.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I put this in another thread, so once again - Nvidia revenue from dedicated GPUs fell 11% last year. Over 90% of their revenue is now made from selling AI chips that apparently you need to make your AI not sound like an idiot, but they still get it wrong because it's just a first version, etc.

 

[apple_of_enlightenment]

What's the crime? Capitalism?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Nintendo won't gave had much of a choice either as they wanted continuity between the two platforms.

Are you honestly arguing Nintendo wouldn't be able to sell the same games for Switch 2 if no BC was available?

 

[RoboFu]

Backwards compatibility is not longer hardware bound. They could have easily went with any other hardware.

 

[StereoVsn]

Mentioned this yesterday and saw it coming last year when there were rumours circulating about a strained relationship between the two parties.

Nintendo won't gave had much of a choice either as they wanted continuity between the two platforms.

Wasn't this because Nvidia was expecting them to launch early last year and Nintendo decided to wait?

 

[FStubbs]

AMD doesn't really have the same kind of mobile ARM SoC NVidida has, that's why they went with the Tegra X1 in the first place

I wonder if Qualcomm or Samsung were options.

 

[GHG]

Are you honestly arguing Nintendo wouldn't be able to sell the same games for Switch 2 if no BC was available?

No. However it would cost them a lot more money and time to port the games over that they do want to resell, and they would end up facing a backlash of epic proportions.

 

[Astray]

Mentioned this yesterday and saw it coming last year when there were rumours circulating about a strained relationship between the two parties.

Nintendo won't gave had much of a choice either as they wanted continuity between the two platforms.

I honestly think that continuity was the worst option they picked. They should have had more of a difference between Switch 1 and 2.

This device is essentially Nintendo conceding their earlier position and joining the specs war when you think about it. Just seeing the words "4k60" and "1080p 120fps" in a Nintendo presentation cements this for me.

Considering the age of the SOC and the process it is on, I highly doubt Nvidia is the problem here.

Nvidia aren't likely to cut Nintendo a sweetheart deal on the SoC, not after watching Nintendo raking in the cash with their tech.

 

[Von Hugh]

What's the crime? Capitalism?

Hitler kills millions of people.

"What's the crime? Fascism?"

 

[GHG]

Wasn't this because Nvidia was expecting them to launch early last year and Nintendo decided to wait?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/nvidia-frustrated-by-nintendo-is-working-on-brand-new-soc-for-gaming-handhelds-consoles.1670559/

The issue was (apparently) more to do with the fact that Nintendo insisted on older tech.

 

[dgrdsv]

You do realize that it's Nintendo who waited for ~5 years with the SoC being made before launching the product? And the only reason for that is Nintendo's desire to maximize profits.

 

[Baemono]

I wonder if Qualcomm or Samsung were options.

From what I can see based on the phones/tablets they put chips in, the CPU is great but the GPU is severly lacking. The Tegra X1 was weak but had fantastic graphical power (which was barely used for another setup than a console) which could compete with newer chips.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The cope is reaching unreal levels.

 

[PlayStaytion]

It's a complete mess, they've lost the plot. 10x jokes from Jensen at the press are no longer relevant.

 

[MrSmooth]

Microsoft were idiots for not explicitly stating in the contract that the gpu price should reduce over time. That was their fault not nvidias

But still, fuck nvidia

 

[StueyDuck]

there is so many things to blame, Nvidia can't foot the blame all by themselves but they play a role.

You can equally blame apple, MS, Nintendo, Sony, AMD and so on and so forth from all different aspects for why prices are sky rocketing.

just remember in recent years you are adding the rush to machine learning meaning server farm costs, then the crypto bros increasing the demand by a boat load, diminishing Silicon supply and so on.

long story short is that there is multiple factors as to why tech is becoming ludicrously priced.

 

[Bry0]

Actually Apple used to use nvidia, but then after bumpgate and nvidia trying to cover it up, never again.

 

[AJUMP23]

A regular Blofeld maybe Goldfinger. You guys and your silly characterizations of executives. Especially a guy that built the company from nothing. There is only one CEO that looks like a villain, its BEZOS.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The issue was (apparently) more to do with the fact that Nintendo insisted on older tech.

That delicious profit margins.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Sony, Microsoft and Apple all refuse to work with nVidia due to their scummy practices and bad experiences.

Microsoft used nv for the first in the OG xbox, and never again.
Sony used nv in the PS3 for the first time, and never again.
Apple is a slightly different case in that they have to satiate their own thirsty monopolistic desires, but the outcome is the same.

Also, the only GPU manufacturer with a semblance of a conscience and consumer-friendliness in EVGA abruptly shut down their GPU operation to stop having to deal with nvidia.

This is what Linus Torvalds, father of Linux has to say about NVIDIA...

(To be fair, I do realise that Linus has recently said that there has been some improvement with Nvidia, but I digress)

Nintendo is the last major player in the gaming space happy to still be pegged by nvidia, and they're the only major console player to have gone back for seconds.

Consoles are notoriously low-margin, with retailers making only about $5 per console. Nintendo also infamously never sell their hardware at a loss, only to recoup those losses through software sales later - they want to have their cake and eat it too.

However, due to them being bent over a barrel for a second generation running, it's likely their hardware profits are slimmer than previous gens which is why we see them trying to excessively gouge everyone on their software.

Just my two cents.

Nvidia makes pennies off of console hw, they're real money maker is AI. Nintendo isn't retarded theyre cheap and stingy, in order for the Switch 2 to exist Nvidia must have given Nintendo a reasonable deal.

 

[Wildebeest]

It's the way in tech that the leaders are arrogant and think they can get away with anything because people who want quality have no choice. Intel were also pretty bad.

 

[EN250]

 

[JohnnyFootball]

They are a true piece of shit company and we as gamers allowed it to happen so we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

Blackwell has been an unmitigated DISASTER.

Blackwell is basically refresh of Ada with less stability, less QC, no generational uplift in performance (meaning that all performance increase was offset by a power increase) and drivers issues galore.
ROP issues, ending PhysX…I mean Jesus.

Ending production of Ada so that all stock was gone and unable to supply enough stock. Then nvidia made it impossible to get their cards. Blackwell only exists so that they can keep gamers around to fall back on when AI inevitably collapses.

On the bright side for me, Blackwell being such shit has made me love my 4090 that much more.

AMD actually made a good product this gen and I couldn't be happier with my 9070XT in my living room PC. The only disappointment is the lack of HDMI 2.1 in Bazzite/SteamOS which forced me to go back to Windows. FSR4 has been a game winning home run, while ray tracing is still a single, but no longer a strikeout.

 

[Celine]

Microsoft used nv for the first in the OG xbox, and never again.
Sony used nv in the PS3 for the first time, and never again.

Nintendo used nv in the NSW and it'll soon become the best selling console of all time.

Find the difference.

 

[Throttle]

At least AMD has a good generation with RDNA 4 and will be able to provide something good for consoles with UDNA.

 

[alphachino]

Nintendo used nv in the NSW and it'll soon become the best selling console of all time.

Find the difference.

I don't consider it a console. I consider it a handheld moreso, akin to the DS, especially when they're including the Lite with those sales.

Or it could be argued that it's a new category of "hybrid". Which combined their console and handheld businesses.

You can call it whatever you like yourself, but regardless of sales for me, I don't see the Switch 2 repeating what they did with the Switch 1. Maybe Nintendo know that, which is why they're gouging their fanbase for everything they're worth.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

They are a true piece of shit company and we as gamers allowed it to happen so we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

Blackwell has been an unmitigated DISASTER.

Switch 2 isn't using Blackwell. It's not even using Ada. It's using Ampere.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Switch 2 isn't using Blackwell. It's not even using Ada. It's using Ampere.

what did that have to do with my post?

 

[asdasdasdbb]

what did that have to do with my post?

This is supposed to be a Nintendo Switch 2 complaining about the price thread, right?

 

[Futaleufu]

Nintendo knows their audience and how much they can squeeze out of them

 

[winjer]

 

[dgrdsv]

They are a true piece of shit company and we as gamers allowed it to happen so we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

Sure we all had to buy inferior products for that not to happen and then it wouldn't happen.
Also these products would have to be actually trash tier or whoever's next product you would buy would become what GeForce is today.
In other words yeah that's complete bullshit.

Blackwell has been an unmitigated DISASTER.

Blackwell is about as a "DISASTER" as 40 Super which were mostly lauded as a great refresh.

Blackwell only exists so that they can keep gamers around to fall back on when AI inevitably collapses.

Right, so why not just sell Lovelace then and save money on making Blackwell?

All these takes are just beyond stupid honestly.

 

[noob smokes]

Nvidia is punishing pc & nintendo players

 

[JohnnyFootball]

This is supposed to be a Nintendo Switch 2 complaining about the price thread, right?

Sure we all had to buy inferior products for that not to happen and then it wouldn't happen.
Also these products would have to be actually trash tier or whoever's next product you would buy would become what GeForce is today.
In other words yeah that's complete bullshit.


Blackwell is about as a "DISASTER" as 40 Super which were mostly lauded as a great refresh.


Right, so why not just sell Lovelace then and save money on making Blackwell?

All these takes are just beyond stupid honestly.

Right...cuz Ada had all these ROP issues, driver stability issues, blackscreen issues....

Ada's issues were the prices (which is now worse), but stability and performance was mostly rock solid.

Only a dumb fucking retard would try to claim they are one and the same and congratulations you earned that honor.

Step in the ring and do better.

 

[dgrdsv]

Right...cuz Ada had all these ROP issues, driver stability issues, blackscreen issues....

You do remember when every Ada card was supposedly on fire by default because of the faulty 12VHWPR connectors right?
Or how 30 series was shutting down on clocks spiking to above 2GHz?
These issues are present on literally every new GPU generation launch, and no Radeons are not an exception - go read their "open issues" section in the driver release notes.

Ada's issues were the prices (which is now worse)

If you mean retail then that's demand induced and will go down after the initial ramp - like it ALWAYS does.
Again Radeons are in the very same situation right now. The markup on their MSRP is even higher if anything.

Only a dumb fucking retard would try to claim they are one and the same and congratulations you earned that honor.

Only a dumb fucking retard would use that language in an argument so you've just proven who you really are and turned everything you've said previously into a bunch of nothing.
Congratulation, I guess.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Congratulation, I guess.

Thank you. It's clear your ass got dunked on by not just me, but everyone else too. Nobody was buying your shilling.

You still got big daddy Jensen though. Don't worry...he loves you.