LordOcidax
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That's a politics topic and not allowed here, but an easy search on Google can give you a quick answer.
EA is reportedly ending full remote work, mandating return to office 3 days per week
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Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Just use your common sense man. If It was working and people were just as productive, they would not need them to come back to the office. Do your own research, just google it for fuck's sake. I can't teach you common sense.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I get about as much work done at home as I do when in the office, but I think FULL remote work is ridiculous.
There's more to a job than just getting your tasks done. In the office you have chance encounters with other people, you get to meet people outside your immediate team and see what they're working on, you learn who are the right people to talk to for stuff outside your area of expertise, you get to know people on a personal level, go out to lunch with people, etc.
IMHO full remote and full return to office are both ridiculous. 2-3 days/week in the office is ideal.
There's more to a job than just getting your tasks done. In the office you have chance encounters with other people, you get to meet people outside your immediate team and see what they're working on, you learn who are the right people to talk to for stuff outside your area of expertise, you get to know people on a personal level, go out to lunch with people, etc.
IMHO full remote and full return to office are both ridiculous. 2-3 days/week in the office is ideal.
MMaRsu
Gold Member
You did not provide any sources at all, just your opinion.
Just because companies would rather have you at the office says nothing about productivity.
But if you want yo believe the corporate koolaid, keep on chugging it bruh.
Just google it? You are making a statement, and Im asking you to back it up with some facts. Why would I have to prove your point for you?
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Zacfoldor
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If you were lucky enough to be able to work from home, more power too you, but stop trying to gaslight us into thinking that working from home is the same as working in the office. It is not. People that work from home and people that commute into work are not the same.
When someone works in an office they are required to keep a certain standard and do all kinds of extra stuff everyday, in addition to the assigned work they already do. The famous saying is "I got a perk at my job, when I finish my work early I get to do somebody else's work." While technically anything can be done remotely, the remote worker is more limited as to what s/he can contribute to the business all else being equal. You may say that it is the businesses responsibility to manage you and that if you aren't doing as much remotely then that is your managers fault for not following up with you. However, I would say that why is it the businesses responsibility to micromanage you remotely(which is difficulty) when they could just require you to come into the office where you can be micromanaged by your fellow employees and end up being forced to do many extra things that chilling at home and doing the assigned task would not. The business gets more out of you when you are on site.
I wish we all could work from home and make it happen bud, and I'm glad that you might be able to, but the lobbying and the claims that someone works just as hard at home as they do working retail on black friday is a bridge too far. Hope WFH works out for everyone but don't say those who suffer a commute have the same difficulties as you. The commute and the sacrifice of time is more than half the job from the worker's perspective, and many workers cannot ever work from home, including doctors and nurses. WFH people are good and I love them but they should THANK people who go out into the world to earn a living instead of trying to pretend they have it just as bad.
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Kacho
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Definitely the former. I love seeing the meltdowns over WFH. "but I'm super productive!!!! waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh"I don't know what's funnier. That people get upset about this, or that it is considered news worthy?
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Good. I used to do remote work (still do sometimes) but based on myself and other people I know..... remote work is great, in order to be able to do other stuff at home, and maybe take calls on the road while doing errands.
You do not get more productivity working from home as opposed from the office. 3 day on-site and 2 remote is beyond generous. People have gotten spoiled and lazy.
You do not get more productivity working from home as opposed from the office. 3 day on-site and 2 remote is beyond generous. People have gotten spoiled and lazy.
Baemono
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ReyBrujo
Member
We are still full remote. No immediate plans on switching (healthcare software industry) but most companies are switching over.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
If full remote work were just as productive, why would so many employers get rid of it?
You'd think they'd make full remote work mandatory, then hire nothing but remote workers from markets with the lowest labor costs across the globe. Then save more money by downsizing their office space.
I guess they must be part of the mean rich people's club, where the corporate elites make decisions against their own financial interests purely for the enjoyment of shitting on their own employees.
#FeelTheBern2028
LordOcidax
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ReyBrujo
Member
It can hit productivity due morale, plus many will have to rearrange scheduling and some might have joined based on full remote.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
I remember hearing about "work from home" during Covid-19.
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
I'm working from home right now thanks to covid. It's eerie how much it feels like working at the job.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
A hit to morale....because they actually have to actually get dressed, drive wo work and actually work 8 hours, for which they get paid. Those that joined on due to being full remote can either 1. Switch to a few days on-site 2. Get laid off.
ElFenomeno
Member
Sorry but if I can fool my manager that I am fake working then this means he is a dumbass who deserves it.
Getting asses in the office chairs doesnt fix anything and its just a means to an end for EA. People will quit without severance pay.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
While I agree. There is absolutely those that have taken the piss.
I was talking to someone that doesnt work with me the other day and she was talking about what she was doing the next morning. She said she had a gym class + session from 8 am to 10 am then she had to collect her kids at 2pm and do the weeks shopping once she's collected them. I said, "ahhh, well at least you've got the day off, so you can chill after" she said to me "what do you mean, I'm working tomorrow" turns out she works from home and this is her routine now.
I said I'd fucking sack her if, I knew she was doing that.
That went down well.....
There's so many people who i feel are or were hard workers that just got used to a different life after covid.
I wouldn't dare skive off to go shopping or head to the gym while I was supposed to be working...
Mental
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LordOcidax
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ElFenomeno
Member
Why not? Unless I am in a job where Im supposed to stay glued to the screen - e.g call center.
My colleague said today that next Monday he is driving for 6 hours going to fuck knows where. Nobody batted an eye.
I enjoy the flexibility of home office. The office is depressing.
RTO can fuck off.
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MiguelItUp
Member
I've worked remote my last two jobs, and there's a lot of perks that come with it. The main thing being it allows you to work in industries you're passionate about that may not reside in your city, state, or even country. I'd love to stay in the game industry as long as possible, and as long as there is remote work I'm able to do so.
There are always going to be idiots that ruin things for everyone else unfortunately, they exist everywhere. But there are most certainly remote positions that exist and get work done, and they've existed for years. They just didn't "blow up" until Covid-19 for obvious reasons.
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Thabass
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I'm pro work from home, but I understand that wanting to have a face to face is important to some people. That said, that is not the reason why companies are doing it. They want to be able to control you and how you were. They loved that they were able to minipulate you in that way. I work from home all the time and I got waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more done at home than I did at the office. There were way too many distractions for me at the office of my old job.
The "mouse jiggler" comments, I'm sure that happens with some workers. I won't deny that does happen. But, to think the entire work force that was working from home was doing that is absolutely insane. If that were the case, no projects would get done, nothing would release and companies wouldn't be making any money and what not. So, that is patently false.
The "mouse jiggler" comments, I'm sure that happens with some workers. I won't deny that does happen. But, to think the entire work force that was working from home was doing that is absolutely insane. If that were the case, no projects would get done, nothing would release and companies wouldn't be making any money and what not. So, that is patently false.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
You live in a world where companies make good decisions especially when it comes to their workforce, must be fun.
Go take a look at the US GDP around Covid. Even with the hit of stuff getting actually closed and businesses effectively stopping working, it more than recovered long before remote work arrangements started being walked back.
I mean did you Google it? There are negative and positive examples and studies depending on the timescale, companies, field etc but there are lots of signs that show positive productivity increases with remote work.
Moriarty1889
Member
Good. Bring them back.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I am confused....you are saying someone is driving for 6 hours within their work hours?
Is that a personal drive?
DryvBy
Member
Go out to lunch with people? Every office I've worked with, I just eat while I talk on the phone to a person I want to talk to.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Seriously? "Hey bro wanna talk on the phone while I eat my Cup Noodles?" That sounds kinda awful.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
surprised streetsofbeige hasn't made a post here yet.
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phant0m
Member
It's big tent jealousy. Right-wing news outlets, which largely cater to blue collar and other careers that require working on job sites (or otherwise not at home) getting sold that people who WFH are lazy slackers.
darrylgorn
Member
A lot of companies are doing two days. One same day of the week for everyone and one day of the employee's choosing. This seems like the right balance.
I guess it depends on the company. At ours, we have been 30% more productive and employee morale has been much better according to the surveys. They have rented out most of the buildings they own.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
That is far from the truth. I am actively looking for work and have been for months now. The Tech industry is in shambles and these greedy companies are being complete pigs to new candidates.
The funny thing is that I actually am a fan of remote work. I desire remote work myself. I do understand why companies are pushing back.
-Many people cannot be trusted. You can't use your own case and say "see I do it and most do it too!" There are a ton of unreliable and lazy fucks out there
-Production suffered from lots of companies. When employees are at home, there are tons of distractions. Again not everyone is reliable or responsible
-It was not working out: If it was so good, companies would keep it that way. Why would corporations pay for large buildings and rental cost when they can just have their employee's work at home? Again, Production is the bottom line.
It's common sense that the average person is not a responsible and hard working human being. Many people fucked over these companies with either not working or putting in subpar work. I have personally read article after article about business owners bitching about wanting to get their employees back to the office because they were not producing the same results.
Again if you want to paint your little picture about how you are so good and it gets done, that's all good. Unfortunately, there is a ton of lazy irresponsible fucks who spend their "working from home" time not working.
I am not fan of these big companies. They are greedy bastards who will lay you off without a second thought. All I am saying is if working from home was producing such great results, there would not be a need to go back to the office.
Dalbajobas
Member
Obv remote work doesn't work for everyone.. hence the change back, but 3 days a week is still not 5 days a week. I see no reason to cry, unless those workers continue to procrastinate the remaining 2 work days at home and then will cry about 5 days for no reason.
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
It's true. I couldn't do that at work.Dude, you are on Neogaf 99% of the day…
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
It's at their leisure to do so. I am not agreeing with their policies but you chose to work there. Nobody is making you work there. Again they are paying you for 8 hours or even Salary in some cases. They have the right to know what you are doing with their time. They are paying you for your time and that becomes Their time. You can end it at any time with just quiting.
MSduderino
Member
It's hard to die on the hill of "we're more productive at home" when we know how often everyone posts here (not that you couldn't do that at the office, but you get my point). In fact, time posting on forums/social media is most certainly negatively correlated with productivity.Dude, you are on Neogaf 99% of the day…
Stop posting and get to work, you lazy fucks!
Roman Empire
Member
3 days a week is more than fair. Lazy ass employees are the bane of the whole entertainment industry.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You also left off lack of productivity also costs money and jobs.
I poker fun at this in my first post in the thread because I think it's pathetic to cry about losing remote work privileges. Go work somewhere else if working in office doesn't work for you.
That said, I don't think you have to be in office to have a productive work force. My last job sent us home during covid and we never went back in office full time. They reshaped the company to have a hybrid model. It was great. Eventually I left to go work for a company and have to work there full time in office. We can work from home occasionally as needed. But full time hybrid isn't an option. And I'm cool with that.
You know why? Because I'm an adult who realizes the company sets the rules. If I want a full time remote job or hybrid job there are other companies I can go work for.
That said, I don't think you have to be in office to have a productive work force. My last job sent us home during covid and we never went back in office full time. They reshaped the company to have a hybrid model. It was great. Eventually I left to go work for a company and have to work there full time in office. We can work from home occasionally as needed. But full time hybrid isn't an option. And I'm cool with that.
You know why? Because I'm an adult who realizes the company sets the rules. If I want a full time remote job or hybrid job there are other companies I can go work for.
rubik's dude
Member
100% agreed, people who work from home cost companies productivity, time, and money. Wfh should be done away with, and 5 days a week in office should be mandated.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Maybe in the near future, Employers and Employees could meet in a "virtual office" Maybe once VR technology evolves further, I could see a future where some places may operate in Virtual spaces. It's a little too rough now to use in a professional setting as of now.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Just google search it and dozens of answers come up. Youtube it and watch what the employers are saying. What is your so called "answer" on why companies are wanting a return to the office?
NuclearDiarrhea
Member
If its true that working from home does actually boost productivity then EA should be commended for sacrificing it in an attempt to improve the mental health of its employees by heroically forcing them to confront the trauma of office life and rediscover the joy of listening to fellow employees retarded opinions while reheating a single baked potato in a crusty communal microwave during lunch time.
Andrew Wilson truly cares.
Andrew Wilson truly cares.
Jinxed
Member
I'm gonna work my ass off to be sure I'll still be able to just wake up 20 minutes before work, grab a coffee and sit down to start working for many years to come. It's fucking priceless