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[Fess]

I already re-built my PC in a Fractal Mood Case. 8700K - 32GB RAM - 3070

Once I build new, I will repurpose this with SteamOS, if compatible.

I planned to go for a similar case, eventually I fell in love with a Thermaltake case, all white Tower 300 with nerdy sci fi blue light

Currently booting it in Steam Big Picture mode, manually adding Gamepass and Epic games. It acts like my Xbox and PlayStation now. Works incredibly well tbh. Super stable.
But I will instantly go with the new multi store Windows UI used on the ROG Ally the second it arrives for desktop PCs. Unless it's trash.

After their showcase of the ROG Ally and talking about it as if it's an Xbox I'm 100% certain that their next console will be a Windows based PC in a console-shell. Voting for that.

 

[Hector Hall]

The more I hear about the next Xbox, the more I'm convinced that Microsoft are simply going to release a Windows desktop PC and stick an "Xbox" logo to separate it from other off the shelf Windows PCs.

https://archive.is/Q5O6x

Here's where I think they're going…

- Windows compact/desktop PC with "Xbox" logo on it

- Runs standard Windows 12

- Designed for on-desk and under-TV use

- Other OEMs (HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Asis) will be able to "Xbox" certified devices, providing they stick to the same spec

- When bought, all units will have the same spec, this will allow PC game developers to focus on optimising for this hardware configuration/ spec

- User can install Steam (as they can on any PC), but Microsoft's focus will be on vastly improving the Windows Store, this will be a big selling feature of Windows 12


Here's why…

- in terms of consoles the Xbox brand is now effectively dead

- Microsoft want to compete against Steam and gain marketshare in the PC gaming space

- even if it doesn't sell well, nothing is lost, they still gain some influence in the PC gaming space

What do you guys think?

Pretty much spot on.

I think in their own new PC Store, Xbox PC, they will try to entice Xbox users by recognizing their digital library with the equivalent PC port, but they can only do that with first party software without agreements.

All the other points towards a premium and expensive gaming PC in console form, with Windows 12, Direct and sold on demand through official channels.
They will license those specs to other PC builders so they can create something *compatible* and try to push their store there too.

They will use Steam as a way to attract buyers, but the goal is to create a user base between PC and Xbox and linked primarily to their own Xbox PC store, reinvigorating Windows based gaming in the wake of SteamOS opening up.


It's a sound strategy, even if they are tricking their buyers (no, it's not an Xbox and no, you won't be able to play the Xbox Series version of GTA6 in it), but I think Valve will kick them out eventually, just as Sony from the console market.

 

[EverydayBeast]

The web browser is important on the series x for googling tutorials and video game guides, hearing that Xbox is going windows doesn't bother me because it already is right? Visually it's that of a console but does windows type things

 

[KeplerL2]

Nope we will see the next "console" revealed early next year

Probably at next year 25th anniversary Xbox show

 

[yogaflame]

If it's like Alienware then its not a console, its a gaming desktop PC or laptop. If this is MS direction, then MS xbox has entered into pc gaming market and exited console industry. Let us stop calling it a xbox pc console or hybrid. Price will be the biggest issue if its a gaming PC structure. It will be expensive, and surely powerful, but how expensive that is the question.

 

[Dalbajobas]

At least it would be multiple times faster than ps6.. right?

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

Remember how Phil said that their next generation will have the biggest leap of power ever seen? Well, if you plaster the Xbox name on a PC with a 2.5k gpu, no shit it'll have the biggest leap. That's where we're at with the Xbox,

 

[reinking]

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Remember how Phil said that their next generation will have the biggest leap of power ever seen? Well, if you plaster the Xbox name on a PC with a 2.5k gpu, no shit it'll have the biggest leap. That's where we're at with the Xbox,

That wasn't the wording, power was never mentioned, technology was and that could mean anything in Xbox speak

 

[Topher]

Remember how Phil said that their next generation will have the biggest leap of power ever seen? Well, if you plaster the Xbox name on a PC with a 2.5k gpu, no shit it'll have the biggest leap. That's where we're at with the Xbox,

That wasn't the wording, power was never mentioned, technology was and that could mean anything in Xbox speak

It was Sarah Bond.

"There's some exciting stuff coming out in hardware that we're going to share this holiday, and we're also invested in the next-generation roadmap," she said. "What we're really focused on there is delivering the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation, which makes it better for players and better for creators and the visions that they're building."

Xbox is already focused on ‘delivering the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation’

Plus, upcoming hardware news teased for later in the year

www.techradar.com

 

[ResilientBanana]

I planned to go for a similar case, eventually I fell in love with a Thermaltake case, all white Tower 300 with nerdy sci fi blue light

Currently booting it in Steam Big Picture mode, manually adding Gamepass and Epic games. It acts like my Xbox and PlayStation now. Works incredibly well tbh. Super stable.
But I will instantly go with the new multi store Windows UI used on the ROG Ally the second it arrives for desktop PCs. Unless it's trash.

After their showcase of the ROG Ally and talking about it as if it's an Xbox I'm 100% certain that their next console will be a Windows based PC in a console-shell. Voting for that.

That is one pretty PC. Love to see it! Honestly, it's amazing being a PC gamer with all these options to game.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

That wasn't the wording, power was never mentioned, technology was and that could mean anything in Xbox speak

I mean, it's kinda the same thing, direct correlation between the two.

It was Sarah Bond.

"There's some exciting stuff coming out in hardware that we're going to share this holiday, and we're also invested in the next-generation roadmap," she said. "What we're really focused on there is delivering the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation, which makes it better for players and better for creators and the visions that they're building."

Xbox is already focused on ‘delivering the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation’

Plus, upcoming hardware news teased for later in the year

www.techradar.com

Didn't Phil stated something similar as well? Then again, i don't remember exactly, i just know it came from MS, and i've head DF mention it multiple times as well. As soon as i've heard the "largest technical leap", and how it came out of nowhere, years and years before next gen begins, i kinda thought something ain't right. You just don't say this 5 years before next gen begins, it makes zero sense, and they should be glazing their current system instead.

 

[MicTyson]

Remember how Phil said that their next generation will have the biggest leap of power ever seen? Well, if you plaster the Xbox name on a PC with a 2.5k gpu, no shit it'll have the biggest leap. That's where we're at with the Xbox,

And consoles are just made with PC parts at this point anyway. So all the years we heard from the Ponies that Xbox was all walled off will now prefer their PlayStation with inferior PC parts and a closed off system? Plus the Xbox PC will play PlayStation games better than the PS6 itself? Why would anyone choose a PS6 at that point?

 

[Topher]

I mean, it's kinda the same thing, direct correlation between the two.

Didn't Phil stated something similar as well? Then again, i don't remember exactly, i just know it came from MS, and i've head DF mention it multiple times as well. As soon as i've heard the "largest technical leap", and how it came out of nowhere, years and years before next gen begins, i kinda thought something ain't right. You just don't say this 5 years before next gen begins, it makes zero sense, and they should be glazing their current system instead.

I only recall the time Sarah Bond said it, but I agree.....it was a bizarre thing to say. But that's Xbox. Overhype everything.

And consoles are just made with PC parts at this point anyway. So all the years we heard from the Ponies that Xbox was all walled off will now prefer their PlayStation with inferior PC parts and a closed off system? Plus the Xbox PC will play PlayStation games better than the PS6 itself? Why would anyone choose a PS6 at that point?

Strange take. Both PlayStation and Xbox have always been "walled off". Both this gen and last for PlayStation and Xbox was based on PC tech. We don't know how either the PS6 or the "Xbox PC" will perform.

 

[naguanatak]

Just think of the marketing and narrative that they'll use against PlayStation, they'll say that console gaming is declining and PC gaming is the future

Phil Spencer: "we want to be at the forefront of that"

I can exactly picture his hand movements and facial expression during this sentence

 

[kikkis]

Dual boot would be the best. Affordable console pricing for powerful desktop and xbox os for cheating free online gaming.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

And consoles are just made with PC parts at this point anyway. So all the years we heard from the Ponies that Xbox was all walled off will now prefer their PlayStation with inferior PC parts and a closed off system? Plus the Xbox PC will play PlayStation games better than the PS6 itself? Why would anyone choose a PS6 at that point?

Nobody would choose a ps6 over a standard pc (what's the point of an xbox pc exactly?) if Sony gives all its exclusives to pc on day one. But if they don't, and you gotta wait 1y plus to play their new games (assuming that they aren't GaaS garbage), then that's your reason to buy a ps6. Nobody wants to wait 1-3y to play a quality exclusive that's gonna win GOTY all over the place.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I mean, it's kinda the same thing, direct correlation between the two.

Didn't Phil stated something similar as well? Then again, i don't remember exactly, i just know it came from MS, and i've head DF mention it multiple times as well. As soon as i've heard the "largest technical leap", and how it came out of nowhere, years and years before next gen begins, i kinda thought something ain't right. You just don't say this 5 years before next gen begins, it makes zero sense, and they should be glazing their current system instead.

Kind of the same thing to all of us, corpo Xbox PR speak is way different

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

What do you need to do in order to release a console? ....The weird aspect of the cancellation/sidelining of the handheld, to me, is that it implies a delay (best case scenario) in the rest of the pipeline.

I remember thinking that Xbox had to integrate the Metro UI design of W8 into the Xbone just to justify its existence. Whatever they release, it has to be Windows-based

 

[KeplerL2]

That wasn't the wording, power was never mentioned, technology was and that could mean anything in Xbox speak

It's going to be some AI performance comparison like >1000 Matrix FP4 TFlops on new Xbox vs 24 FP16 Vector TFlops on XSX

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

And consoles are just made with PC parts at this point anyway. So all the years we heard from the Ponies that Xbox was all walled off will now prefer their PlayStation with inferior PC parts and a closed off system? Plus the Xbox PC will play PlayStation games better than the PS6 itself? Why would anyone choose a PS6 at that point?

Folks tied to the ps ecosystem via legacy purchases.

 

[reinking]

And consoles are just made with PC parts at this point anyway. So all the years we heard from the Ponies that Xbox was all walled off will now prefer their PlayStation with inferior PC parts and a closed off system? Plus the Xbox PC will play PlayStation games better than the PS6 itself? Why would anyone choose a PS6 at that point?

 

[tr1p1ex]

MSFT might be doing this to combat any perceived SteamOS threat?


It's not an empty threat given it's got the power of STeam behind it. And their virtualization type of efforts to achieve pcgame compatibility. And Lenevo put SOS on one of their handhelds.

 

[Fess]

That is one pretty PC. Love to see it! Honestly, it's amazing being a PC gamer with all these options to game.

When you first start out it can be exhausting to have all these options tbh. But I've learned to love both the building process and choosing parts, today I think it's fun!

I currently search for reasons to build another one. I'd love to try a super slim one. That's how this one started out, but things escalated…

 

[Super Lemon Drop]

NeXtBox-C. Now you're playing with POWAH!

 

[Hector Hall]

And consoles are just made with PC parts at this point anyway. So all the years we heard from the Ponies that Xbox was all walled off will now prefer their PlayStation with inferior PC parts and a closed off system? Plus the Xbox PC will play PlayStation games better than the PS6 itself? Why would anyone choose a PS6 at that point?

Let's see..

Consoles have always used computer parts. NES used the 6501 processor as the C64, Sega Master System the mythic Zilog Z80 as other 80s microcomputers (Sinclair Spectrum, Amstrad CPC, MSX standard by various),. Megadrive used the Motorola 68000 the same as Commodore Amiga and Sharp X68000.

What makes a console a console is being a closed system, with all parts selected and tweaked to work together (no bottlenecks) and with a special API to code to the metal and make the most of the hardware, plus not having a heavy OS running behind. That's why according to Caemack and other developers usually you would need at least a 2x more powerful PC to equal a console.

Recents developments as Vulkan, SteamOS etc (consolized PCs) make performance on the PC better, so that 2x probably is now less, 1.5 or 1.6, but it still remains that at equal power a console performance is better. In handhelds this is coupled with low resolution (1080p at most, a resolution of late 2000s and early 2010s) to have good performance as with Steam Deck, but it's not the same as playing full screen at native resolution, just the same as docking the Switch to the TV produced less than desirable outcome compared to other more powerful consoles.

Now, if the next PC Xbox is not a console but instead a gaming PC running over Windows 12 and using DirectX, that's it MS software and not the better Vulkan and SteamOS, it will have to be considerably more powerful that PlayStation 6 to run better the games. At least 1.6 to 2x more powerful. And as said by MS,they don't want to subsidize the hardware anymore. So, the price tag will be very high, and probably sold on demand to cut off the store margin.

Even so, we are talking a price of probably north 1000 to 1200 dollars and sold on demand. By itself it would totally bomb, with the rivals Sony and Nintendo having for themselves all the commercial space, retail visibility, impulse buy territory and a constant price advantage. As it runs PC software this bombing wouldn't mean it's totally failed, as it would keep getting that PC port of games, but it will be very niche.

As for the Sony ports on PC, if they are clever they will stop doing those, at least one player games. They will be confronted with a wall of PC gaming and to differentiate themselves they will need a top machine in the cost/performance, and exclusive software and they can't rely anymore in third party exclusives, we have seen it since the 360 days. Now if everything throw at them is PC gaming, laptop PC gaming, handheld consolized PC gaming, cloud PC gaming,all digital and with possibility to transfer games between devices, to continue to port games to the PC is a terrible mistake, and they will see it, specially with the poor results they are having. Getting third party exclusives is dead expensive, and even second party external development they tend these days to fix a a temporal exclusivity windows and want the rights of the IP, so you need at least to have your WWS games exclusive to the platform.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It Sure Sounds Like the Next Xbox Will Be a Gaming PC - IGN

Microsoft has announced a collaboration with AMD for the next Xbox console - which sounds a lot like a gaming PC.

www.ign.com

 

[Karim]

It Sure Sounds Like the Next Xbox Will Be a Gaming PC - IGN

Microsoft has announced a collaboration with AMD for the next Xbox console - which sounds a lot like a gaming PC.

www.ign.com

I don't think they have any other choice.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

 

[KeplerL2]

It Sure Sounds Like the Next Xbox Will Be a Gaming PC - IGN

Microsoft has announced a collaboration with AMD for the next Xbox console - which sounds a lot like a gaming PC.

www.ign.com

 

[ElFenomeno]

Never thought I will say this but for the first time in 10+ years , I am excited for Xbox's next console.

 

[M1chl]

I planned to go for a similar case, eventually I fell in love with a Thermaltake case, all white Tower 300 with nerdy sci fi blue light

Currently booting it in Steam Big Picture mode, manually adding Gamepass and Epic games. It acts like my Xbox and PlayStation now. Works incredibly well tbh. Super stable.
But I will instantly go with the new multi store Windows UI used on the ROG Ally the second it arrives for desktop PCs. Unless it's trash.

After their showcase of the ROG Ally and talking about it as if it's an Xbox I'm 100% certain that their next console will be a Windows based PC in a console-shell. Voting for that.

Nice setup, but Fractal Design >> your favorite case company

 

[DenchDeckard]

Looks like we have a console coming and as usual, no body on the internet has a clue what these companies are doing.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Looks like we have a console coming and as usual, no body on the internet has a clue what these companies are doing.

Especially IGN of all places

 

[adamsapple]

You've broken our man Ethos_PS's heart too many times already.