ResilientBanana
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I don't lean either way, but the diabolical shit that Charlie has been quoted saying is pretty off the rails. To think any of what he said wouldn't rile anyone up would be naïve.
Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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Senua
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Kacho
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Mask?
vodka-bull
Member
And how do you get rid of all the guns that are already in US citizens households?
It's easy to be against guns. It's not so easy to find solutions to problems and think a few steps ahead, innit?
If you want a gun, you get a gun, simple as that.
If the same thing appears on both sides of an equation, you can take it out. That's how simple mathematics is. But I guess mathematics is too logical for left brains.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I think he's talking about the crazies celebrating
Hell, I bet assassination of npcs is a core feature of the game, certainly was in the first one. Stew in that narrative for too long and of course you see violence as a reasonable solution to differences. Ain't no one playing Debate Simulator 2025.
Wildebeest
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Democratic decline of the west has been going on for a while, since the 1980s. I hesitate to say it was planned but it obviously was. People like it when they arbitrarily get something from it but overall things get worse for everyone. Very hard to reverse it.
Boneless
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Lunarorbit
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Cyberpunkd
Member
Yes, let's ignore finding the solution to the problem because the problem is difficult to solve. Is this GIF accurate to what the official stance should be?
OLED_Gamer
Member
Can you post the 10's of thousands please? It a bold claim so i'd like some evidence.
Note that, lets say 20,000 of these people were celebrating, that would equate to 0.0004% of these registered democratic. Hardly a number of any significance. Doesn't excuse that some people are asshats.
How exactly have the left radicalized? Examples?
Strider7
Member
Oi. You're fucking mental, you know. Go get help.
Lunarorbit
Gold Member
Quoting John rocker? The famously stupid and racist John rocker?
Wednesday, December 22
Updated: December 23, 6:45 PM ET
Rocker apologizes, says he's not racist
Associated Press
ATLANTA -- John Rocker apologized for his comments against foreigners and gays, but that didn't stop the tide of criticism building against him from fans, teammates and even Hank Aaron.
John Rocker
John Rocker has not been formally punished for his controversial comments.
"Even though it might appear otherwise from what I've said, I am not a racist," the fiery Braves reliever said Wednesday in a statement. "I should not have said what I did because it is not what I believe in my heart."
Rocker told Sports Illustrated he would retire before ever playing for a New York team and then added:
"Imagine having to take the (No.) 7 train to (Shea Stadium) looking like you're (in) Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing.
"The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners," the 25-year-old Georgia native said. "You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?"
dudes a bigot piece of trash. These are your heroes? Talk about vile
Thaimasker
Member
Soooo...any bets if/when they'll get the guy?
He said that if someone bailed the guy out, they'd be an American hero and patriot. He questioned why he was even locked up
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vodka-bull
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The solution is not banning guns. Every country with more restrictive gun laws also faces gun violence. And if it's not a gun it's a knife. Again, that was an assssination, planned and executed, more restrictive gun laws wouldn't have prevented anything on this case. But sure, screaming for a ban on guns is a good distraction on the deeper rooted issue I guess.Yes, let's ignore finding the solution to the problem because the problem is difficult to solve. Is this GIF accurate to what the official stance should be?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Buyback program, restrict sales to general population, law enforcement taking them away from the masses.
The US's gun related deaths are exceptionally high per capita compared to the rest of the civilized world. Something has to be done.
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Lunarorbit
Gold Member
Oi?
Using the word oi and then defending nazi facists? You must have missed the punk movement.
You should look it up and see punks hate nazis. You might learn something about wordplay too
Unknown Soldier
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
You mean a bunch of out of context clips and fucking stupid reductions of his points? That's not an "honest portrayal" of his behavior.
Without knowing precisely what he said, I have to say that the linguistic propaganda around words like "empathy" has been used to lend it to perpetrators of crimes that result in death or bodily harm such as this and not to the victims. This is coming from someone who has tried to tend away from reactionary thinking on recent discussions around here: The incessant uses of the words "empathy" and "restorative justice" and the kind of doctrine that led to a 14-times convict whose own mother argued was too dangerous to be free murdering a random person is not sustainable or morally tolerable.
These people "displaying Kirk's behaviour", what are they really mad about? Most of them call him a nazi because he's skeptical of transgenderism. Many same people have high opinions of designated terror organizations with explicit, avowed, and practiced genocidal designs.
If among the most extreme things you've got is him poo-pooing the word "empathy" (while showing none for someone who's just been actually killed), sorry, he's not extreme.
vodka-bull
Member
Switzerland has 2.3 million guns in their households, gun violence ain't a big problem there. How come?
And again, that wouldn't have stopped an assassination…
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Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
Nah, we're not afraid of your inane rambling.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Buyback programs have never made a dent
Restricting sales I am in favor of to the point of much better background checks and maybe some form of mental evaluations but that opens a whole new can of worms in how it would be implemented
Law enforcement just straight up taking guns away from the masses?
You want to actually start a real Civil War?
No one is coming to my house and taking stuff from me
Carton
Member
Kirk's actual position (on the civil rights act) was a lot more nuanced than the bullet point suggests, don't you think?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
- High regulation
- Background checks, permits, criminal history records
- Guns and ammo are stored in separate facilities
The Swiss exception: why Switzerland’s high gun ownership model does not mean what some think it does - AOAV
Switzerland’s gun violence rates remain low due to strict regulations and social stability, but its model is far from ideal compared to nations like Japan, where nearly no civilian gun ownership exists.
aoav.org.uk
Mr Moose
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Wait, who?
Senua
Member
Charlie of course
It diesnt really matter. Seeing how a certain ideology REVELS in the death of a guy who just sits there, talking to ANYONE, is the real ugly reveal. Everyone offended by him could A. freely debate him with facts or B. Just walk away and ignore him. It isnt like he was riding down the street with a bullhorn, coming into 'safe spaces' to verbally attack folks, or anything. He literally just sat there and let people come TO HIM.
Regardless of your opinions of his truthfulness or intent, he is the LITERAL EMBODIMENT of civil discourse that ALL SIDES should strive for in our civilized society. To cheer his death in such a vulgar manner means you want to be OUTSIDE of our society.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sure, I'm not a politician or have all the answers.
My point is that at a point we, as a society, must do something instead of just dismissing as something completely un-doable.
The lack of any action is as dangerous.
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The Sum of Zero
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Nvm
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You should go live in the real world and not sit online publishing receipts all day for gotchas.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
You're forgeting a very important bullet point:- High regulation
- Background checks, permits, criminal history records
- Guns and ammo are stored in separate facilities
The Swiss exception: why Switzerland’s high gun ownership model does not mean what some think it does - AOAV
Switzerland’s gun violence rates remain low due to strict regulations and social stability, but its model is far from ideal compared to nations like Japan, where nearly no civilian gun ownership exists.
- Mononcultural; predominatly white and Christian.
OLED_Gamer
Member
Yeah… this is how a lot of the loud conservatives are though, right? Talking points are usually:
- foreigners bad. Get out of my country (even though whites immigrated here generations ago).
- women should stay home and be a baby factory (thats not even feasible for most considering the cost of living).
- everyone gets guns because I'm masculine and alpha.
- Church and State should mix.
- Fuck you, got mine. Work harder and pull yourself up by the boot straps.
- Only employed people should have access to health insurance. If you have no job, you deserve that $100k hospital bill.
- Hair color means you are a sinner, DEI scum thats out to make everyone gay.
If that is a summary of the platform, then ooooof. No wonder why some of the mouth pieces are just flat out assholes.
Thaimasker
Member
The laws that we have clearly aren't working.
Also isn't Toronto one of the most diverse cities in NA?
NeoLed
Member
A game about assassination ironically. Shit dev, but can it be proven that the studio have the same view with the fellow?
OLED_Gamer
Member
48% out of how many liberals surveyed? 55% out of how many liberals surveyed?
Where's these stats coming from?
Punished Miku
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I've seen him say a lot of stupid stuff over the years but I wasn't aware of that one.
Conservatives, you have to admit that is pretty unbelievable. Sometimes the hypocrisy is just so off the charts that I feel we should try to harness it as an energy source for interstellar travel.
vodka-bull
Member
Ok, so now we're going from banning guns to better regulating their purchase. Makes sense. Guess nobody in their right mind would be against the idea of better background checks, sure. But that wouldn't have prevented shit on Kirks assassination.- High regulation
- Background checks, permits, criminal history records
- Guns and ammo are stored in separate facilities
The Swiss exception: why Switzerland’s high gun ownership model does not mean what some think it does - AOAV
Switzerland’s gun violence rates remain low due to strict regulations and social stability, but its model is far from ideal compared to nations like Japan, where nearly no civilian gun ownership exists.
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Switzerland is one of if not the most multicultural countries in Europe, I don't know the exact numbers but only about half of the population is of native Swiss origin.
Religion as well, about 50% is Christian but a lot of those are non-practicing like everywhere in Europe. Most people have no religious beliefs in practice.
MidGenRefresh
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It's not a gun problem, it's a culture problem.
thefool
Member
You are a vile, sick, deranged individual but i do not wish you harm, i do not wish you get banned nor silenced. Seek help.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
from what i know of him, he sounded like a bit of a cunt whose whole persona was about winding people up with his extreme views, did he deserve being shot in the neck over it? of course not, but hey ho, the world lost another cunt and life moves on, although i did enjoy some of his videos making an absolute mockery of the mad they/them crowds..
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
'Bad guys will always find a way to get guns' is not a good enough excuse to not have better gun regulations, sorry. It's been rinsed and repeated so many times over the years and no real action is being done about it.
I just can't agree to that, sorry.
trikster40
Member
Was hoping to wake up today to find they caught whoever did this.
I think the main point that people are completely missing about Charlie is that he gave everyone, no matter the side of the aisle, an open mic to come up and have discourse. Yes, he challenged their views from a conservative standpoint, but he didn't shut down dialogue. He openly welcomed it which is something that is sorely lacking today.
Still curious if this was a one-man act or if there were some accomplices.
I think the main point that people are completely missing about Charlie is that he gave everyone, no matter the side of the aisle, an open mic to come up and have discourse. Yes, he challenged their views from a conservative standpoint, but he didn't shut down dialogue. He openly welcomed it which is something that is sorely lacking today.
Still curious if this was a one-man act or if there were some accomplices.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
You realize places like Chicago have some of the strictest guns laws in our Country yet its a war zone every weekend
Unknown?
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I can't agree with that, that they were better off without the civil rights movement but I do think it has more to do with LBJ's great society. Guns and butter. The introduction of the welfare state made them worse off and it's possible it was even intended to target their community to keep them down economically.
vodka-bull
Member
I wasn't disagreeing to your point of better regulations.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Having extremely rampant access to weaponry is likely a big contributor in the state of various US cities as they are.
Less access to weapons = less weapon related crimes/deaths. That's my only stance here.