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[blacktout]

That's only true for titles published by Nintendo, though. Nor for third-party software.

OK, I could be wrong because I had to google this, so correct me if you have something directly from Vandal, but it looks like they use point-of-sale data, not data provided directly by the publisher, so that would still mean that they don't have eShop data, which would still have to be provided by Nintendo.

Edit: To be more clear, this would mean that all of Vandal's data comes from retail stores, and not digital storefronts, unless the owners of those storefronts (Sony, Microsoft, Valve, etc.) are providing that data. This is different than, say, Circana, where they get data directly from cooperating publishers.

 

[VGA-Games]

Spain

 

[nial]

OK, I could be wrong because I had to google this, so correct me if you have something directly from Vandal, not it looks like they use point-of-sales data, not data provided directly by the publisher, so that would still mean that they don't have eShop data, which would still have to be provided by Nintendo.

Edit: To be more clear, this would mean that all of Vandal's data comes from retail stores, and not digital storefronts, unless the owners of those storefronts (Sony, Microsoft, Valve, etc.) are providing that data. This is different than, say, Circana, where they get data directly from cooperating publishers.

Looking the more at it, it would make sense. But that just means that Vandal just reports physical sales in general, so you don't have the discrepancy between PS5 and NS2 software unit sales when both are retail only.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Wait till the Switch 2 -Pro comes out, that'll even things out

799,99 - Welcome Tour included

 

[blacktout]

Looking the more at it, it would make sense. But that just means that Vandal just reports physical sales in general, so you don't have the discrepancy between PS5 and NS2 software unit sales when both are retail only.

Yes, but you do have a discrepancy if game key cards are causing third party Switch 2 games to have an abnormal digital/physical split relative to other platforms, which was my original point.

 

[Three]

It's going to sell a lot more once the big hitters, like Animal Crossing or Super Smash Bros, are released.

Sales will increase, but if that is near GTA6 launch...

 

[nial]

Yes, but you do have a discrepancy if game key cards are causing third party Switch 2 games to have an abnormal digital/physical split relative to other platforms, which was my original point.

I mean, that remains to be seen (especially with the narrative being that people in general wouldn't care about it). It's also worth mentioning that PS5 has a pretty high digital ratio in Spain.

 

[blacktout]

I mean, that remains to be seen (especially with the narrative being that people in general wouldn't care about it). It's also worth mentioning that PS5 has a pretty high digital ratio in Spain.

Yes, it does remain to be seen, which is why I couched my original post in a lot of uncertainty. I do think we have a little bit of evidence though based on retail vs. eShop performance. It just sucks that the eShop doesn't give hard numbers and retail sales data is scattershot as hell.

 

[LordOcidax]

Don't make it less bad...anyway I don't think the classic but the switch is just for japanese games is a valid excuse. It sell 150 milions WW and most of players are western.

Switch 2 has basically the most power efficient chip around when it comes to handheld gaming.

 

[Deerock71]

 

[Ebrietas]

It's going to sell a lot more once the big hitters, like Animal Crossing or Super Smash Bros, are released.

Mario Kart isn't a big hitter?

 

[Neofire]

Traditional systems are going the way of the dinosaur, and rightly so.

By failing to out sell a 5 year old system that out performs it in EVERY way?

Yeah it's days are numbered in Spain

 

[Roman Empire]

Spain being Spain. Playstation has always been more relevant in Europe than Nintendo. Let's see if this sets a trend on Switch 2 or not in other countries before stating anything.

 

[GoldenEye98]

Nintendo fans here were quick to celebrate the great sales numbers that came out early, while some remained cautious and advised to look and see how the numbers are playing out over the first 12 months or so. It produced some record numbers, but that doesn't mean it will go on like this forever. We really haven't seen how this thing performs with wider audiences, yet.

This is my take as well. Interested to see the sales numbers at the 6 month and 1 year mark..

I don't think the value proposition is there for the wider market...and if Nintendo dares hike the price they will definitely kill off the wider market appeal.

 

[mckmas8808]

This is my take as well. Interested to see the sales numbers at the 6 month and 1 year mark..

I don't think the value proposition is there for the wider market...and if Nintendo dares hike the price they will definitely kill off the wider market appeal.

What are you thinking of when you say "wider market"? More or less than 50 million unit sales?

 

[Ceadeus]

I can't believe I'm one of the 600 who bought Outlaws on switch

 

[RayBoy]

 

[Dorago]

Re Star Wars Outlaws: this game's pre launch reputation is based solely on social engineering. Once the product is revealed for what is is then the illusion is shattered. Expecting garbage like this to have legs beyond the first weekend is delusional.

 

[Physiognomonics]

People seem to forget but in many countries S1 is still twice less expensive than PS5 whereas S2 is about the same price as PS5. Low price notably in Europe was a big reason for S1 success. S2 will sell a lot sure, sure, but it won't sell more than S1, not at this price. Europe economy is overall in very bad shape.

Mario Kart isn't a big hitter?

Yes but weren't many people disappointed by this game and prefered 8 to this one? But still, it's only one big game.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

This is my take as well. Interested to see the sales numbers at the 6 month and 1 year mark..

I don't think the value proposition is there for the wider market...and if Nintendo dares hike the price they will definitely kill off the wider market appeal.

A lot of Switch's sales happened because it was the perfect storm...it would've peaked on year 2 or 3 like most consoles and then covid happened...and sales shot up during the one time in modern times where people were home everywhere in the world and both other console manufacturers couldn't produce their consoles because they had just released theres. Meanwhile Nintendo had a cheap piece of hardware that was easy to make and more affordable. They were almost alone in an entire business venture. 30M units happened on peak covid.

I do think this Spain number is an exception but i really don't think this Switch is selling as much as the first one. 100/110M is my bet (and it would still be one of Nintendo's best selling consoles ever)

 

[LordOcidax]

I can't believe I'm one of the 600 who bought Outlaws on switch

The game was #1 on Eshop Spain, i really doubt that digital is included.

 

[Hero_Select]

The kind of numbers being compared

"Chronos sold 2,800 on PS5 and 300 on Switch 2, it launched at the same time on both PS5 and Switch 2."

lol.

 

[dragonyeuw]

I'd love to know what the physical sales are for third party. I think it's pretty clear across the board that GKC are not a popular option.

Personally speaking, as a SW1 owner from launch, not much currently is pushing a SW2 purchase. The only first party title currently available that I'd buy is Donkey Kong, but that's a title I'd grab after something else more compelling get me to part with my money. MP4 is of interest, but I'm not sure that's a ( for me) system seller either. Between having a PS5 as my main home console, SW1 for Nintendo exclusives and Legion Go as my current portal to my Steam library and general all-purpose AA/Indies machine,, I'm just not that inspired. There's no BOTW 'I gotta have this NOW!' piece of software, and maybe we were spoiled by the SW1 having a title like that at launch, but it is what it is.

 

[pulicat]

Spain is an irrelevant country in the big picture here.

Take a look at Japan in August.
Switch 2 sales - 260k
PS5 sales - 66k

Basically, Japan for Nintendo is bigger than Sony in Japan+UK+Germany+Spain+France.

 

[GoldenEye98]

What are you thinking of when you say "wider market"? More or less than 50 million unit sales?

I just mean once you go outside of more core fanbase into more mainstream casual consumers. Obviously there is a spectrum there and I don't know what that is in terms of numbers.

I think the fact that Switch 1 already exists with a huge install base and is still getting games and then factor in Switch 2 prices....it's a harder sell outside of dedicated fans.

 

[zedinen]

There are no shortages. SW2 is available everywhere, whether in Germany, France, Spain or Italy

PS5 and SW2 are too expensive (€469 for a handheld console ...)


LTD Spain

PS2 over 5 m
PS4 ~3.8 m
NSW ~3.4 m
PS3 ~2.7 m
PS5 ~1.8 m

LTD Europe

PS2 over 55 m
PS4 ~47 m
NSW ~39 m
PS3 ~31 m
PS5 ~27 m

 

[GoldenEye98]

Spain is an irrelevant country in the big picture here.

Take a look at Japan in August.
Switch 2 sales - 260k
PS5 sales - 66k

Basically, Japan for Nintendo is bigger than Sony in Japan+UK+Germany+Spain+France.

Hot take: Spain is a better microcosm of the global market than Japan is though.

No doubt Switch 2 will do well in Japan...but that's because they heavily prefer handhelds over traditional consoles. That generally isn't the case for almost everywhere else.

I'm already looking at these past few Nintendo Directs thinking it is overly catering to the Japanese market. It's like maybe chill a bit on the wall-to-wall cartoon JRPG's announcements.

 

[Ceadeus]

The game was #1 on Eshop Spain, i really doubt that digital is included.

Yeah that's impossible , was top 10 on Amazon, what's up with these numbers..

 

[Trogdor1123]

Are there any shortages in switches?

 

[archangelmorph]

I'm struggling to see the appeal for the NSW2 right now.

Already have a NSW for my son and there's no way in hell I'm spending nearly half a thousand pound sterling just for a marginal upgrade for an 8 year old.

The kids games don't look any better than NSW titles and the non-kiddie games are simply not age appropriate for my little one.

It doesn't even look "fun" like the first one. It looks like a Switch for grown ups; almost like a Nintendo Switch: Pro (priced and specced like one too).

 

[LordOcidax]

Yeah that's impossible , was top 10 on Amazon, what's up with these numbers..

Probably retailers only data.

 

[blacktout]

The game was #1 on Eshop Spain, i really doubt that digital is included.

Digital is not included. I mentioned this in a previous post, but Vandal's data appears to be point-of-sale (ie, they're getting it from retail stores and not publishers).

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

uh?

 

[LordOcidax]

Digital is not included. I mentioned this in a previous post, but Vandal's data appears to be point-of-sale (ie, they're getting it from retail stores and not publishers).

Exactly.

 

[PeteBull]

I wouldnt say so. Atleast here in Germany sure Sony is big here, but same for Nintendo.

I can only show u this thread from august 2023:

News Business Hardware  Thread '[GFK]In Germany, Console sales up over 90% in H1 2023. PS5 sold three times compared to last year..'

Aug 17, 2023

Sales of game consoles grew by 90% in H1 2023. The PS5 alone sold three times as many as in the prior-year period. Gaming products from premium segments are also becoming increasingly popular: Laptops from €3,000 are up 25%.

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No idea how it is now in 2025 but doubt it changed in favour of nintendo in any major way not to mention in xbox favour...

 

[daxgame]

yep this thing needs games to sustain momentum out of Japan.

It'll be interesting to see past Pokémon \ Hyrule Warriors \ Kirby Air Riders \ Metroid. Nothing else relevant this year.

Generally speaking in my opinion any "negative sales" feedback, is good feedback as it forces Nintendo to do better.
But as an owner I'm quite satisfied with the console.

 

[Hero_Select]

yep this thing needs games to sustain momentum out of Japan.

It'll be interesting to see past Pokémon \ Hyrule Warriors \ Kirby Air Riders \ Metroid. Nothing else relevant this year.

Generally speaking in my opinion any "negative sales" feedback, is good feedback as it forces Nintendo to do better.
But as an owner I'm quite satisfied with the console.

You have a Pokemon and Metroid game on the list and finish by saying "nothing else relevant this year". On top of Mario Kart and Donkey Kong, Nintendo is releasing more games in their first year than most companies.

What else do people want within 6 months of a consoles launch?

 

[Elios83]

It will be interesting to see what happens in the US.
The month over month drop from June to July was already substantial.
Considering the high price of hardware and software and the weak lineup I don't think the console is particularly appealing outside the Nintendo core fans market that obviously rushed to buy the console at launch.
We need more data points in August/September/October to see where sales will settle at current prices.

 

[EN250]

Maybe N didn't send much there? It's not like it's a big ass market, so they prioritize where it's more important like North America and well Japan, duh

 

[FoxMcChief]

Spain lol

 

[Seider]

Spain: "It's been a month and a half where the PS5 is selling more than the Switch 2 in terms of consoles."

Spain is smart.

 

[RoboFu]

ahhhh Spain... I remember way back when Xbox was actually putting up a fight and we got updates on how Spain was doing every week... now that Nintendo is destroying PS fanboys ... Spain can run freely on gaf once again!!!...

 

[justiceiro]

Nintendo succeeded in scaring American into buy expensive stuff now before tariffs came, but they couldn't instill such fear into Europeans.

 

[ZehDon]

Well, yeah. Nintendos heavy hitters haven't landed yet. Low-end ports of years old games sold at high prices aren't gonna move units. Switch was a secondary console to many - meaning Switch owners weren't waiting to play the ports Switch 2 is now getting.

Watch it fly off shelves when an Animal Crossing or new 3D Mario lands.

 

[Loomy]

I also don't think Nintendo is super happy with games that aren't theirs. Third-party games, aside from Cyberpunk, not much else is really performing well.

This shouldn't be surprising to Nintendo. Unless the Switch 2 is your only system, why would you buy a 3rd party game on the Switch 2 when it will look and run better on almost anything else it's available on?

 

[Ebrietas]

Well, yeah. Nintendos heavy hitters haven't landed yet. Low-end ports of years old games sold at high prices aren't gonna move units. Switch was a secondary console to many - meaning Switch owners weren't waiting to play the ports Switch 2 is now getting.

Watch it fly off shelves when an Animal Crossing or new 3D Mario lands.

It literally launched with a brand new Mario Kart. Doesn't get bigger than that.

 

[freemandos]

I'm not gonna say Nintendo consoles don't have a big place in Spain (on contrary). But Playstation has always been VERY popular in this country, even seen by a lot of people like THE gaming system, and I say this as a spanish person. We even use the term "La Play" to refer every PlayStation console (yes, ladies and gentlemen, we usually talk about PS5 as "La Play 5").

 

[Scrawnton]

The Switch 2 is going to end up selling much less than Switch 1.

A lot of people didn't use their Switch much or enjoy it enough, to the point of wanting it's successor.

Software sales vastly say otherwise.

 

[blacktout]

Nintendo succeeded in scaring American into buy expensive stuff now before tariffs came, but they couldn't instill such fear into Europeans.

They're talking about August and September data. We haven't gotten US (Circana) data from this period yet, so so we can't say if there's been any divergence between the US and European markets.

 

[ZehDon]

It literally launched with a brand new Mario Kart. Doesn't get bigger than that.

And it literally broke sales records because of it. However, it's not a "one and done" - Nintendo have to keep dropping these system selling tiles to continue to sell systems. That's how Nintendo have survived this long: Nintendo games sells Nintendo hardware.