Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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This was the biggest farce IMO.

Somehow shit loads of businesses of different types got shut down in my area (lots of mom and pop or casual family restaurants too). Yet somehow every McDonalds, KFC and Taco Bell stayed open like nothing happened.

And then the gov was supposed to be all about spacing out people. Yet the city (Toronto) suddenly allowed Jays games to be back at the dome with fans eating and yelling shoulder to shoulder. I know because I went to a game when the games were back! All the while, many normal businesses were still shut down. The dumb thing about the Jays games too was seating was limited to something like 15 or 20,000 people. BUT everyone was squeezed into the lower bowl shoulder to shoulder. The upper bowl seats were blocked off. So everyone is sitting together rubbing shoulders.

Figure that BS out.

Canada was a dystopian hellhole during Covid. I remember going to the mall and watching useful idiots line up to show their "vaccine passports" to foreign mercenary security guards just to sit down and eat in a food court. Doug Ford pretending he is captain Canuck has been hilarious to watch. We lost the wrong Ford brother.
 
JKR is very left wing and is one of the most praised people in this thread. Other sane left wing people have been praised for their responses also.

Some people struggle bigly in environments where any conservative speech is allowed.
 
Anyone see the vids of the shooter getting charged. Not a single response from him (in the vids that's I've seen). Looks like a zombie. Barely moving. I don't know if that's normal or not.
Probably reality hitting him. From the text chain he had you could see he thought he was easily going to get away with it and never get caught. Probably realizing it's the death penalty or life in prison. Threw away all his freedom after a week of planning. Entire life essentially over at such a young age.
 
Trying to appease that radicalized fan base is fruitless. They can't get over the fact that Rowling has different opinions than them, she's too big to cancel, and so we have an endless stalemate. Agreed that they will try, though, and I can definitely see conniption fits happening. The people and companies involved with the show probably get a litany of complaints every time she tweets something certain people don't agree with.
They (the creators) are trapped because the specific nature of the "beef" with JK is basically sexual in nature yet HP is an IP revolving around CHILDREN. So it's really hard to inject LGBTQRSBBQ stuff into HP because in order to show it you gotta have kids boinking kids (well, hopefully its the kids boinking each other, not the teachers shaboinking the kids). Plus the IP has a strong family/birthright lineage that, naturally, makes cishet relationships kinda critical.

Will they have a trans character? VERY unlikely, not only because its a silly concept in a world with MAGIC TRANSFORMATIONS but because JK undoubtedly retains enough executive control to squash any such notion. LGB? Perhaps, but then again, where would you see it? All the principle characters have their relationships detailed and surprise, surprise, they are all heterosexual, just like in real life.

We all know what sort of sexual things would REALLY happen at a place like Hogwarts, with potions of transformation, invisibility, forgetting, love, etc seemingly readily available. Place would be echoing with "aborticus feticus!" or "syphilis eradiicous!" spells every weekend :P But no way in hell should that stuff ever intrude into HP, leave that to The Magicians or some sort of The Boys level adult parody.
 
I think J.K. Rowling sucks. Having a reasonable-ish take in this particular situation doesn't change that she has awful takes on other subjects.

Glad I was a little too old to get into her books, because I didn't invest anything in her work to begin with.

Anyone see the vids of the shooter getting charged. Not a single response from him (in the vids that's I've seen). Looks like a zombie. Barely moving. I don't know if that's normal or not.

Well, there's not much of a point in him displaying any reaction or behavior at this time. Outside of making a scene, but this wouldn't even be the proper scenario for that either.

Maybe if he decides to speak in his own defense during the actual trial, but not at this stage. He could also choose to remain silent throughout.

Then again...I don't think it's "normal" to assassinate people, by and large. We're not dealing with a "normal" person.

Imagine living in the US though the biggest government overreach in our history amongst other culture focused incidents such as

Firing/loss of earned income if not taking a rushed vaccine or being masked

Pandemics aren't going to ask you for permission before sweeping across the world, overloading hospital capacity and leaving lots of dead people in their wake, so I'm glad vaccines were provided in record time.

That said, I can agree slightly in that after a certain point things could and should have been handled better, but the initial government measures taken were reasonable in light of the circumstances.
 
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Lol, she quotes Hitler and explains it:
"The words are Hitler's, but I must have seen trans activists say the same thing, barely rephrased, a thousand times."

But the reaction of some trans activists now is that they are blaming her for quoting Hitler and saying she's now a literal Nazi :D
 
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Every time I think massive generalizations can't become any bigger - along comes another one. Yet another smarmy internet 'expert' who, in this case, thinks they know what an entire country wants. Nice touches with the "slaves" and "New New Delhi" bits. Very classy.

After ten years of liberal destruction, Canadians voted for four more years lol. Elbows up bud!
 

Serious question: Are there a lot of trans people getting "beat up" by the far right? I'm genuinely curious, as it is often made reference to, and I'm sure there are incidents of it, but is it as rampant as it's always sold to be?
I would think each and every case would be major news if true/proven.
 
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Serious question: Are there a lot of trans people getting "beat up" by the far right? I'm genuinely curious, as it is often made reference to, and I'm sure there are incidents of it, but is it as rampant as it's always sold to be?
I would think each and every case would be major news if true/proven.

I mean, if you look for them...there's plenty of examples. Whether those responsible are or aren't "far right" is more relative.

At the age of 15, Tyler tried to take his own life after he was teased and abused for being transgender.

The student from east London, now aged 19, said bullies would follow him home and throw things at him after he began identifying as male in 2015.

"I experienced a lot of hate, a lot of fear. There was a couple of times where I was followed home and a couple of times where I could feel things being thrown at me," he said.
"I did not have any desire to be alive at all and I was hospitalised after a number of suicide attempts."


The findings are stark. Over half of respondents told us that they had experienced at least one form of bullying or harassment at work in the last five years. Around one in five respondents (19%) had been exposed to verbal abuse about LGBT+ people in the workplace. And one in 20 respondents (5%) told us that they had experienced physical violence, threats and intimidation because they are lesbian, gay, bi or trans. These findings mean that it is unsurprising to see that more than a quarter of LGBT people (29%) aren't open with anyone at work.

 
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Has anyone seen plausible solutions to turn the temperature down on this stuff? How do we depolarize outside of unplugging everyone's internet?
 
After ten years of liberal destruction, Canadians voted for four more years lol. Elbows up bud!
Ya. Bad timing. It was going to be such a clear cut conservative win until Trump started ragging on about tariffs. The the left caught on and got the entire country to be anti-tariff which meant anti-right.

Oh well. Like any country and its people, the people hurt the most are ultra emotional people or ones who totally rely on gov services and handouts. Whomever is in charge doesnt make any difference to my day to day life. I just want my stock portfolio going up! A good portfolio seems to solve everything. All time high again today, and BoC decreased rates 0.25 pts today in anticipation of Fed decision in an hour.
 
Well, what was the solution?
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Has anyone seen plausible solutions to turn the temperature down on this stuff? How do we depolarize outside of unplugging everyone's internet?
Cull the bots, for starters.

Identify and eliminate the accounts coming from overseas, particularly asia/russia.

RUTHLESSLY fact check any and all statements/comments, particularly those coming from 'verified' accounts, so stuff like that Kimble propaganda bit can't be distributed without a disclaimer proving it to be false.

Aggressively spotlight violent and hateful comments celebrating Kirk's assassination to apply real world consequences. Don't dox folks or manufacture outrage, just signal boost what folks are already putting out there. If people would think twice about what they (shit) post, the level of discourse might improve.

Install a delay in when a post will actually go up. Even just 30-60 minutes might allow a teacher who is grossly reveling in assassination to reconsider that thought and pull it back. Protect the idiots from themselves.

For 'official' sources and statements, make it easier to see where the funding comes from and what activity the account is engaged in. When some random group called "Student Voices For Freedom and Equality" starts putting up a lot of "Charlie Kirk is a proven nazi!" posts that then get linked around and around to give it legitimacy, it would be helpful to know that said group has only 8 posts, all about Charlie Kirk, the account is from overseas, and is funded by the CCP.

Transparency. Humans have some sort of mental block in being able to trust something on a computer screen that they would scoff at if they could see the people yelling it live. It's so easy to get into a confirmation bias bubble online in ways that was much harder in the era of hard print or face to face discourse.
 
I had someone I knew calling her a transphobe or whatever. I had to reprimand them, saying that Rowling has probably done more for women than anyone else in my lifetime. Especially ones who suffered from domestic violence.
Yup. Not only did she write one of the greatest series ever, but she has also been an absolute savage when defending women's rights. All women, young and old, should be looking up to her. She does not back down and doubles down when they come at her with even more bullshit. How can you not respect the ever-living hell out of that?
 


BBC and CNN have reported the conversation between Tyler and his roommate/lover

And people are still in denial about his motivation?
Many people are still trying to confirm their biases. The ones who are in denial are the ones who think the truth requires their belief. It's not surprising considering the amount of cognitive dissonance required to sincerely celebrate murder.
 
Well, what was the solution?

One generation is lost. The solution for the NEXT is to fix the education system and completely destroy the current set of pseudo-values that have polluted the West. Bring back the light and optimism after WW2. Let the nihilists die out. It's very unfortunate, but the moral reconstruction will take decades. This is not changing overnight.

I mean, if you look for them...there's plenty of examples. Whether those responsible are or aren't "far right" is more relative.

There's none.

What you are showing are examples of biggots being biggots, none of them SUPPORTED by the mainstream Right. This is a false equivalence. I dont care about a singular individual or a bunch of them, but the majority that root for them, media apparatus and politicians included.

You won't find that in the conservative aisle in any western country. The left approves terrorism as a political option, the Right doesnt. That's the way it is.
 
Based on what? The government hasn't done anything to anyone regardless of how disgusting their opinions are. The free market is creating repercussions for their actions.
I'm going by what Pam Bondi Stephen Miller said, that the Government will go after people who take part in hate speech.
 
LOL. Imagine being in a relationship with someone like that. A combative kind of person and youre getting nagged every minute about dumb shit.

And here I am slowly working on someone who is good looking, is peer level kind of career, and owns more investment properties than I ever had going. Maybe I'm trying to hook up with the wrong person?!?!? lol
 
We've got the same breed of 'journalists' and 'personalities' here in Australia pumping out the same duplicitous, fake-concern hit pieces: 'Yeah, what happened to Kirk was terrible … BUT' - then they trot out a laundry list of imaginary sins, branding him racist, far-right, bigot, homophobe, etc. It's maddening how deep the rot has gone - genuine objective reporting is on life support. Even the ABC, our so-called BBC equivalent, has lurched so far left it can barely keep up the charade of impartiality.

I didn't even follow Kirk - there are things I disagreed with him on, like gun control. Some of the things he credited to religion, I chalk up to natural evolution, biology, and plain common sense. But I admired the man: his intelligence and recall, his courage, his natural oratorical skill, his drive, and above all the fact that he seemed like a genuinely decent human being. I was floored when I found out that his was only 31 years old - he was so young and he and his family had so many years of them ...

The sheer number of heartfelt messages pouring in from people of every colour, creed, and lifestyle shows just how deeply he resonated with people. And that's what the cowards couldn't handle - that he could dismantle them with words, expose them as the fools they are, and do it with ease. So they vilified him, and in the end, they cheered on the violence that took his life.


I feel like a lot of frustration and confusion stems from conflating two different things

1. The killing of CK. Morally reprehensible act, not up for debate in a free society. Nothing CK can say can ever justify this act, so citing his views are irrelevant. 99% of Americans are actually on the same page here, believe it or not.

2. People's response to the killing/"the celebration". This is where the controversy lies. Is it in bad taste to celebrate someone's death? Yes. Are you probably in a bad place in your life if you are dancing on people's graves, or spending your time writing lists of all the bad things someone did so that you feel justified in being a terrible person? Probably. Personally I think it's pretty bleak and speaks volumes about where we are as a society, but regardless, in a free society people should be allowed to believe CK was spreading divisie and hateful rhetoric and express their personal beliefs that the world is now a less hateful place, wether he died from sleep apnea, a piano fell on him, or some hateful deranged loon murdered him.

A lot of misunderstandings around this issue comes from seeing #2 and attributing it to #1, which should remain separate
 
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Has anyone seen plausible solutions to turn the temperature down on this stuff? How do we depolarize outside of unplugging everyone's internet?
Compulsory voting. Making voting easy and even give people some little reward for it. Properly address the carrot and stick of voting so it doesn't all come down to scaring people half to death to make them line up to vote.
 
Compulsory voting. Making voting easy and even give people some little reward for it. Properly address the carrot and stick of voting so it doesn't all come down to scaring people half to death to make them line up to vote.
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Don't even need to reward the voters. Just threaten the non voters with a "jail lottery" or some kind of public shaming. You did it! Let's f***ing gooooo!!
 
Serious question: Are there a lot of trans people getting "beat up" by the far right? I'm genuinely curious, as it is often made reference to, and I'm sure there are incidents of it, but is it as rampant as it's always sold to be?
I would think each and every case would be major news if true/proven.

Thee are LGTBTQ+ people getting harassed and sometimes beat up, but not so much by far right nazis but by people with a muslim back ground. The irony is that lesbian and gays are safer in very conservative neighborhoods than in places with a substantial percentage of young immigrants. But of course, that's not a politically correct thing to write about in the media at all.
 
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I love how the Left are getting a taste of their own medicine with the cancelling. Scatch that, it's not a taste. They're getting the full dosage. It's that Extra Strength 500mg type of shit. The Right isn't out there rioting, looting, burning down stores, and shutting down cities. They're holding vigils. Anyone who posts on the internet that they're delighted and happy that Charlie Kirk is dead, are getting fired from their jobs. I would argue that this is the civil way of handling this. It's the just way. If you're in a position of trust like a Doctor, Nurse or a Teacher, and this is how you behave when we know that you take care of people's loved ones, you do not deserve to be in that position.

We all know if the roles were reversed, they would be cancelling people on the Right. You know it, I know it, everybody in the country knows it. But now it's finally happening to them, and they're being fucking cry babies about it. I'm just gonna say the same thing they've been telling Right Wingers for the past 10-15 years. It's an expression straight from their playbook.

"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences."

You fucked around, now you're finding out. Bitch.
What happened to the left is now happening to the right. I don't think it's cause for celebration, personally
 
What happened to the left is now happening to the right. I don't think it's cause for celebration, personally
Man I really cannot agree this is the same. There's old tweets from people teenage years a decade or two ago, and there's praising / justifying / celebrating a cold blooded murder of a man for Christian views a week ago. Losing a job over the latter just isn't the same as the former IMO.
 
Has anyone seen plausible solutions to turn the temperature down on this stuff? How do we depolarize outside of unplugging everyone's internet?
I have been thinking a lot about this. I'm a big fan of all of the Bill of Rights and therefore do not want some type of insane ban on speech. But we can limit the damage of social media without being this draconian.

1. Massively limit data collection and sharing from all companies. This reduces the incentive for creating addicting user experiences.
2. Take a page out of Europe's playbook and create a separate set of laws for social media above a certain amount of users, i.e. Big Social. Create separate laws for Big Social such as banning recommendation algorithms.
3. Big Social has to identify the country of origin for anyone not from the US. Completely ban hostile nations from US social media entirely.
 
but regardless, in a free society people should be allowed to believe CK was spreading divisie and hateful rhetoric and express their personal beliefs that the world is now a less hateful place, wether he died from sleep apnea, a piano fell on him, or some hateful deranged loon murdered him.

People are allowed to do exactly that.
 
What happened to the left is now happening to the right. I don't think it's cause for celebration, personally
It's not really equivalent. The original "cancellations" had to do with digging up ten year jokes on Twitter that people were finding reason to be outraged about. Going on a witch hunt through people's entire past to find something to point your finger at is absurd and would end up with everyone having something to not be proud of, including those doing the hunting.

This is live responses condoning or celebrating murder and employers not wanting to be associated with that. It's not terribly different from some idiot going streaking at a live event and getting fired from his job for not representing the company well. People being happy about this, or in some cases having their kids excited about it, is just straight disgusting.

And no one is "celebrating." The left set up this M.O. and now they are being punished by it, by actual in the moment behavior. And again, it's not the same thing whatsoever as what happened previously.
 
I feel like a lot of frustration and confusion stems from conflating two different things

1. The killing of CK. Morally reprehensible act, not up for debate in a free society. Nothing CK can say can ever justify this act, so citing his views are irrelevant. 99% of Americans are actually on the same page here, believe it or not.

2. People's response to the killing/"the celebration". This is where the controversy lies. Is it in bad taste to celebrate someone's death? Yes. Are you probably in a bad place in your life if you are dancing on people's graves, or spending your time writing lists of all the bad things someone did so that you feel justified in being a terrible person? Probably. Personally I think it's pretty bleak and speaks volumes about where we are as a society, but regardless, in a free society people should be allowed to believe CK was spreading divisie and hateful rhetoric and express their personal beliefs that the world is now a less hateful place, wether he died from sleep apnea, a piano fell on him, or some hateful deranged loon murdered him.

A lot of misunderstandings around this issue comes from seeing #2 and attributing it to #1, which should remain separate
But the celebration in #2 encourages folk to commit more of #1. The sad fact is NOTORIETY is as acceptable to some people as FAME, so if they can gain the former through atrocities they will go for it.

 
People get fired for expressing hatred all the time. That's not what cancel culture is. Cancel culture is disproportionate action taken against someone after a drastic shift of the Overton Window into uncharted and deranged territory, e.g., finding an old joke Tweet from ten years ago that was fine to express at the time, or going on a witch hunt because a guy went on a date that didn't work out, and destroying someone's life over it.

Publicly celebrating murder and political assassination of an American public figure is not part of the Overton Window. Employers are entirely within reason to fire their people over acting like a psychopath in public.
 
I feel like a lot of frustration and confusion stems from conflating two different things

1. The killing of CK. Morally reprehensible act, not up for debate in a free society. Nothing CK can say can ever justify this act, so citing his views are irrelevant. 99% of Americans are actually on the same page here, believe it or not.

2. People's response to the killing/"the celebration". This is where the controversy lies. Is it in bad taste to celebrate someone's death? Yes. Are you probably in a bad place in your life if you are dancing on people's graves, or spending your time writing lists of all the bad things someone did so that you feel justified in being a terrible person? Probably. Personally I think it's pretty bleak and speaks volumes about where we are as a society, but regardless, in a free society people should be allowed to believe CK was spreading divisie and hateful rhetoric and express their personal beliefs that the world is now a less hateful place, wether he died from sleep apnea, a piano fell on him, or some hateful deranged loon murdered him.

A lot of misunderstandings around this issue comes from seeing #2 and attributing it to #1, which should remain separate
It comes from seeing 2 and believing it will lead to 1 for someone else. This obviously being less of a concern following someone dying from sleep apnea than in the immediate aftermath of someone being assassinated. The sleep apnea isn't going to be motivated to kill other people following widespread approval.

There is not really another way to interpret 'the world is better because x was murdered' than 'it would be a good thing if other people like x were murdered'. They are 'allowed' to say it, and everyone else is allowed to think they are a dangerous lunatic.
 
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