Sony Will Be In For A Shock Next Gen

How will the ps6 do next gen?

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First time since forever theres ZERO chance of me buying the new PS day 01
- shitty exclusives
- shitty support for the pro
- gaaaaaaaaaas
- wokenes
- even bigger crossgen

After 5 gens of playstation Im good... just going to wait.
 
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There are more than two years left until the PS6 comes out, and we're already staring at the doomed threads? Will it be another console in the +100 million club, like the PS5, PS4, PS2, and PS1.
 
Karim said:
But this console doesn't rely to the hardware raw power, it's all about perfomance optimised via AI and other customized stuff with the minimun cost of perfomance, you shouldn't look too much to the specs numbers but to the perfomance promised.
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No, we should look at Nvidia's blackwell and then extrapolate from there. Many of the features promised by Amd are already supported in Blackwell. We can already begin to get an idea of expected performance.
 
FalconPunch said:
No, we should look at Nvidia's blackwell and then extrapolate from there. Many of the features promised by Amd are already supported in Blackwell. We can already begin to get an idea of expected performance.
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Listen if for you pathtracing is nothing well ok. But it's a generational leap whatever the hardware specs are.
 
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If they had any competition, maybe. But they'll be going into next gen with Xbox being nothing but a corpse that's already being lowered into its grave.

If you want a high performance home console, Ps6 will pretty much be the only option.
 
Robb said:
If they had any competition, maybe. But they'll be going into next gen with Xbox being nothing but a corpse that's already being lowered into its grave.

If you want a high performance home console, Ps6 will pretty much be the only option.
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Time for Sony to run the numbers up. I expect it to not ship with a disc drive.
 
IDKFA said:
Nintendo still exist.

By this logic, Nintendo has no competition either because nobody else has a TV/portable hybrid.
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Nintendo is delivering a distinctively different gaming experience than that of PlayStation and Xbox. PlayStation is the obvious alternative to Xbox if Xbox were to shut down hardware. Just look at the games that sales on each platform. 90+ percent of PlayStation and Xbox best sellers are exactly the same. 90+ percent of Nintendo best sellers are Nintendo first party.

Robb said:
If they had any competition, maybe. But they'll be going into next gen with Xbox being nothing but a corpse that's already being lowered into its grave.

If you want a high performance home console, Ps6 will pretty much be the only option.
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Exactly
 
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FalconPunch said:
I think that's already a given. Their new ceo is an accountant who's focused on maximizing profits. The orices are going up for sure.
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They saw Nintendo with the $80 Mario Kart price. The baseline price will become $80 for their first party titles. Gamers can cry about it all they want. What are they going to do, build a costlier PC?
 
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Yea they are fine.
Yotei was fine and so have all their other successful games this gen. Its the go to console for third parties so they havent had to rely on first party to dual a competitor as hard - shit microsoft supports them,

Due to covid and how long it took to ramp up plus throwing off game schedules- i still think its too early for a PS6. However, its a day one purchase regardless.
 
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I highly doubt they're going to launch with a killer exclusive and a public plan for a couple more in that first year. If they don't I'm not in.
 
I think Ps6 will sell worse than Ps5.
IMO though it's not going to be because of their first party output this gen but simply because of the way the console business is changing.

Many people, specially more casual players, are probably going to be fine sticking with their Ps5 for the next 7-10 years because the vast majority of the games that they play (COD, GTA Online, sports games, their favorite GAAS, etc) are still going to support it. We'll have an even longer cross gen period than this gen as most devs aren't eager to spend even more money on "next gen" games that they can only sell to a reduced audience.

Ps6 is going to be more like a new iPhone or a new line of GPUs on PC. Less of a mandatory upgrade and more of a product for the enthusiast audience that does want better performance, higher resolutions, better ray tracing, higher graphical presets, etc. Though I'm sure it will still have a few "next gen only" games.

Sony itself will be fine though because what really makes them money isn't selling hardware. As long as they have a big active userbase on Ps5 and 6 (hell, probably still a few million on Ps4 too) that's sbuying games, microtransactions, DLC and paying for Ps+, they will be making a lot of money.
 
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FalconPunch said:
Now this is where the problem is. To me, this generation appears to be rather similar to the latter years of the Xbox 360 generation. By that I mean, the software hasn't met expectations and it has quite delivered the highs we saw with the likes of Uncharted 2, Gow 3, TLOU on the ps3, or Uncharted 4/TLOU2/GOW/etc on the ps4. Instead it seems, Sony is more focused on it's balance sheet this gen than the software. More concerning is the fact that there's been a huge loss of influential figures at Sony that helped spur and shepherd the creation of such influential software. We can begin to see the effects of this in the struggles Sony has had this gen convincing PS4 owners to upgrade to PS5.
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X360 problem was the presence of Sony with AAA movie game. I don't see someone now who fill this niche.
And having no competition, every 3rd party (even MS itself) fill the void of lacking 1st party games.

FalconPunch said:
While the ps5 is selling comparatively well, we've seen the effects of a long cross gen period. Following the rumors regarding the ps5 release in 2027, I'm almost certain that Sony will be in for a shock if they don't significantly course correct on the software front. This is not to say that the ps6 will sell poorly but, I expect them to have an extremely difficult time getting customer's to upgrade if the software is not enticing. The ps5 represents a console that is "good enough" for a certain segment of folks and delivers "good enough" visuals. If the software isn't the selling point, why should they upgrade? The hardcore will upgrade as always but imo, it may not have the legs of a traditional console if the software is not up to par.
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ML/RT is much bigger jump in performance/IQ that it was for PS4-PS5 transition. And much easier to tune in than SSD that require to rewrite parts of engine. We are looking at something like 400-500p30 upscaled by FSR3 vs 1200p60, probably with framegen to 120, upscaled by FSR4. With spread of RT usage (and RT saves costs and speed up development) things for last gen will get ugly pretty fast.

Karim said:
I'm not that convinced about the 2027 release. We always knew 2028 from awhile, I don't get it the reason by them to anticipate the release an year early. I mean if it referring to the AMD gpu release, I guess it's quite mandatory to see the ps6 coming quite later (looking at the FSR4 "support" on ps5 pro).
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We never knew this.
Our own insiders always inclined towards 2027, and 2028 was always forum dweller wishes and creative interpretations
 
PlayStation is shell of its former self, but plenty of people keep buying and their competition is getting weaker and weaker. PS6 will probably be fine, but it'll be the first PS console I'm not buying.
 
Felessan said:
X360 problem was the presence of Sony with AAA movie game. I don't see someone now who fill this niche.
And having no competition, every 3rd party (even MS itself) fill the void of lacking 1st party games.


ML/RT is much bigger jump in performance/IQ that it was for PS4-PS5 transition. And much easier to tune in than SSD that require to rewrite parts of engine. We are looking at something like 400-500p30 upscaled by FSR3 vs 1200p60, probably with framegen to 120, upscaled by FSR4. With spread of RT usage (and RT saves costs and speed up development) things for last gen will get ugly pretty fast.


We never knew this.
Our own insiders always inclined towards 2027, and 2028 was always forum dweller wishes and creative interpretations
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That's not true. 2028 year was leaked some year ago to the AMD next generation "plan". From what I remember.
 
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PS6 will likely sell quite a bit less than the PS5 due to its probably higher cost and the fact that it'll be more of a minor upgrade.
I expect the PS5 crossgen period to extend well into the mid to late 2030s.
If that's the case, the PS5 could easily outsell the PS4 but at the expense of the PS6.
Just my two cents
 
I'm gonna be fucking mad if they force every first party game on the shitty portable, sony going the nintendo gimmicky way is the worst possible scenario.
 
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From PS4 to PS5 average target frame-rates have literally doubled and yet, despite fucking years of people harping on about 30fps being "unplayable", memories of this seem to be strangely short!

Similar gains have been made in terms of load-times, target resolutions have increased massively, and yet...

Its pretty fucking apparent to me that a lot of the complainers will never, ever, be satisfied.
 
It seems that OP is experiencing gaming burnout. The best thing to do is step away for a while and come back in a few years. I've had an incredible amount of fun with the games mentioned, and I fully expect to keep enjoying them over the next couple of years. PlayStation Studios aren't the only ones making games, if they don't innovate, third-party developers certainly can release something fresh and creative. But that's not really where the issue lies; it's OP who needs to take a step back and return later with renewed energy.
 
Metnut said:
People need a platform to play AAA third party games and for many reasons the majority of folks prefer a console over a PC. The first party games are just a bonus.
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Yep, the sales of first-party games vs. overall console sales (on any platform, not just Sony) makes that very clear.

I've been gaming on PS since the PS1 days and only like a few of their first-party IPs. It's lessening now, but PS used to be the place to play certain Atlus games, Final Fantasy, etc. So there's titles (third party exclusives) like that and also I just prefer to play on console - as do many other people.
 
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Clear said:
Its pretty fucking apparent to me that a lot of the complainers will never, ever, be satisfied.
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Well my PS5 collects dust and I'm currently switching to Linux. Even my kids (14&16) won't use it. They use the PC.
So I really don't think next Gen will be a big hit. Current youth won't play console games and the stuff got much to expensive.
I really don't see a way that people will buy this, if it isn't much cheaper. Yes the first year they probably will sell more than the first year of the current Gen, but I really don't think that many will follow.
I don't even know anybody who bought a switch 2.
The current trend is more small PCs (like steam Deck). And games don't really need the best fancy graphics, they need good ideas.

The console market is currently not growing. It's shrinking. Only difference is that people nowadays pay much for micro transactions. That's where most of the money goes.
 
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Robb said:
If they had any competition, maybe. But they'll be going into next gen with Xbox being nothing but a corpse that's already being lowered into its grave.

If you want a high performance home console, Ps6 will pretty much be the only option.
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Nintendo is right there. It's all video games at the end of the day. I'm 42 and I still play Nintendo. I've never bought the argument that's it's a different audience. Ms doesn't either by the way. They've cited Nintendo as competition. I'm perfectly fine without ms next gen. They've added nothing this gen game wise. You can play all their games elsewhere. They have no place anymore
 
Clear said:
From PS4 to PS5 average target frame-rates have literally doubled and yet, despite fucking years of people harping on about 30fps being "unplayable", memories of this seem to be strangely short!

Similar gains have been made in terms of load-times, target resolutions have increased massively, and yet...

Its pretty fucking apparent to me that a lot of the complainers will never, ever, be satisfied.
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I've noticed some of the loudest complainers don't primarily play on console or play on it at all - which is why they don't take into account any improvements consoles have made. Makes sense, then - why some people will never, ever be satisfied.
 
OmegaSupreme said:
Nintendo is right there. It's all video games at the end of the day. I'm 42 and I still play Nintendo. I've never bought the argument that's it's a different audience. Ms doesn't either by the way. They've cited Nintendo as competition. I'm perfectly fine without ms next gen. They've added nothing this gen game wise. You can play all their games elsewhere. They have no place anymore
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I do wonder if Nintendo will be stealing any Sony players. I can see a Switch 2 pro in 2027 with good enough written all over it.
 
PS6 will be fine especially with Xbox dropping out.

But it is worth noting that PS4 and PS5 have been defined by first party Sony single player games, and the sequels to God of War 2018, the Last of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Ghost of Tsushima have all failed to resonate with players in the way the previous game did. We also don't know a thing about what some of these studios are doing next. It's concerning, but I doubt Sony are hitting any panic buttons just yet.
 
rodrigolfp said:
They have???

PS4 Pro/XOX = *4k

PS5 Pro = *4k
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Don't be disingenuous. PS4 and Xbox One were 1080p max, often using VRS to get there.

Also because scaling happens across 2 axes even a moderately small native increase like going from1080 to 1440p practically doubles pixel count. Going to native 4k is quadruple 1080p.

Do some basic math and you can easily see where most of that extra performance is getting eaten up.
 
TheChumpNation said:
PS6 will be fine especially with Xbox dropping out.

But it is worth noting that PS4 and PS5 have been defined by first party Sony single player games, and the sequels to God of War 2018, the Last of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Ghost of Tsushima have all failed to resonate with players in the way the previous game did. We also don't know a thing about what some of these studios are doing next. It's concerning, but I doubt Sony are hitting any panic buttons just yet.
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And yet literally every one of those sequals scored very well with reviews and users. You're missing the Spiderman games too. And they've all sold very well two. The Horizon Forbidden West was the only one that we know of that sold less specifically because Sony was testing out putting their 1st party games on PS+ early and that failed! It killed sales fast. Without that hiccup, all the sequals have been successes.
 
I love Playstation, and I've purchased every single one and I was never let down

That said there are three things coming up that will, to say the least, be a problem for Sony due to the way they approach new gens. First thing is the end of Moore's law, second is diminushing returns, and third there's inflation.

These three things will hit Sony very directly because of how they do New consoles. Simply beefing up the specs is not gonna do the trick anymore.

They have to come up with something that will bring value en mass.
 
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DenchDeckard said:
i think the big thing next gen will be that everyone can suddenly see how important raytracing / pathtracing is. There will be a lot of people changing their tune on it.
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50% of GAF honestly has literally no clue why your post right here will be the game changer in a few years. Once pathtracing or at a minimum raytracing becomes the baseline for all lighting in games, EVERYTHING changes going forward.

Many don't see it yet. They can't even wrap their minds around it, but it's a very big deal! And add to that DLSS 4.0 level A.I. frame rendering (using transformer AI architecture), being the baseline in 2027/2028 with Pathtracing and nothing will be the same.
 
Clear said:
Don't be disingenuous. PS4 and Xbox One were 1080p max, often using VRS to get there.

Also because scaling happens across 2 axes even a moderately small native increase like going from1080 to 1440p practically doubles pixel count. Going to native 4k is quadruple 1080p.

Do some basic math and you can easily see where most of that extra performance is getting eaten up.
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Read again.

"PS4 Pro"

"PS5 Pro"

Xbox One X even had native 4k games, thing that is rare on PS5 Pro. Resolutions stagnated and even got worse in some cases.
 
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PlayStation 6 will be like the Donald Trump of the gaming world, no competition and no guard rails in terms of the company being able to charge what they want for their console...
 
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