[GameRant]If Hogwarts Legacy 2 wants to avoid the same boycotts its predecessor faced, the sequel can't take the same approach that the original did.

iHaunter said:
Didn't realize so much of this forum so many incels and MAGA fucktards. I suppose it can't be helped. It's impossible to avoid the 4Chan virgins everywhere.
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Personal attacks are an admission that you've run out of argument, and that you've lost the debate. It's also clear evidence that you have been emotionally triggered and are just reacting impulsively.

Some advice. When you get emotionally triggered by a discussion, to the point where you feel the urge to post personal attacks, step away for a while, compose yourself. Otherwise, you just end up announcing to everyone that you've lost both the debate and control of yourself.
 
Humdinger said:
Personal attacks are an admission that you've run out of argument, and that you've lost the debate.
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Outsider on the discussion, the problem is that this is not an argument in any capacity:
Poppinfresh said:
Sorry, but severely mentally ill people playing dress up don't deserve any legitimacy.
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In fact, I find it weird that this response below went unnoticed, despite being FAR more egregious into personally attacking someone:
MrA said:
ok groomer or more likely predator
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nial said:
Outsider on the discussion, the problem is that this is not an argument in any capacity:


In fact, I find it weird that this response below went unnoticed, despite being FAR more egregious into personally attacking someone:
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Calling him a groomer wasn't a personal attack. It was pointing out a fact.

Similar to stating the fact that severely mentally ill people who like to play dress up, and their supporters, don't deserve legitimacy
 
nial said:
Outsider on the discussion, the problem is that this is not an argument in any capacity:
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You are correct that a personal attack, from the get-go, does not constitute an argument. It's a slur, not an argument. I don't know whether that was the person's first post or something that boiled over. I don't care enough to trace the thread back.

nial said:
In fact, I find it weird that this response below went unnoticed, despite being FAR more egregious into personally attacking someone:
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It's fair to call it out on both sides (as you've now done). But "he did it over there, too" does not erase the point. It's a general principle, not confined to one "side" or the other. If you resort to personal attacks, you're lost the argument and it's plain that you've gotten triggered.

It's worse when people who do it claim the moral high ground (while acting like children).
 
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Humdinger said:
You are correct that a personal attack, from the get-go, does not constitute an argument. It's a slur, not an argument. I don't know whether that was the person's first post or something that boiled over, I do not know and don't care to trace the thread back.



It's fair to call it out on both sides. You noticed and called it out yourself, so it's not true that it went unnoticed. And "he did it, too" does not erase the point. The point is a general principle, not confined to one "side" or the other. If you resort to personal attacks, you're lost the argument and it's plain that you've gotten triggered.

It's worse when people who do it claim the moral high ground (while acting like children).
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It's fair, but I just think the discussion was already on the verge of just outright losing any bit of nuance because of course it will when it comes to a topic like this. Not saying that what you pointed out was wrong, but it's one sentiment that I would actually get when posters are literally calling you a groomer or, similarly, throwing words such as 'troon' like nothing, which is a pretty bad look because I'm PRETTY sure that saying stuff like 'faggot' will actually get you a ban here (depending on the context, for sure).
For the record, I believe that you should be allowed to have any position and no opinion should be silenced, but not when it comes to plain disrespect.
 
LectureMaster said:

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Hogwarts Legacy 2 Can’t Side-Step The Franchise’s Biggest Controversy

If Hogwarts Legacy 2 wants to avoid the same boycotts its predecessor faced, the sequel cannot take the same approach that the original did.
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For years, the Harry Potter franchise has dominated pop culture, with Hogwarts Legacy acting as the franchise's most popular video game adaptation. It's no wonder that controversy surrounding the franchise has sprung up at some point, as the first Harry Potter book was released almost thirty years ago. Nevertheless, it's disappointing that such a well-loved piece of pop culture has been sullied in the eyes of many Potterheads despite new content for the franchise, like Hogwarts Legacy, continuing to release.

Unfortunately, Hogwarts Legacy was unable to unmuddy the name of the Harry Potter franchise. While the game may have been met with a positive player and critic response, it was also the subject of boycotts upon release. Avalanche Software and Warner Bros. Games tried to placate fans within the game itself, but the developers' attempt was poorly received. It goes without saying that Avalanche Software and Warner Bros. Games cannot try to avoid controversy the same way Hogwarts Legacy did in the game's allegedly slated sequel.

J.K. Rowling Has Hurt Harry Potter and Hogwarts' Legacy

Creeping through the promotion and marketing for Hogwarts Legacy prior to release was the never ending controversy surrounding J.K. Rowling's transphobic comments. Rowling's comments on the trans community, in conjunction with the reexamination of portrayals of people of color in the Harry Potter books, have essentially reduced the legacy of Harry Potter from a juggernaut in young adult fiction to a nostalgic, but messy, memory. The large majority of Rowling's comments were posted on her X (formerly Twitter) account, with the catalyst of these views being publicly perceived when she liked a Tweet in 2018 that described transgender women as "men in dresses." Since then, she has constantly posted about the issue on X and has been publicly labeled a TERF – a trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

Knowing J.K. Rowling's controversial positions on the trans community specifically led Avalanche Software and Warner Bros. Games to include a minor transgender character in Hogwarts Legacy. Sirona Ryan is the main bartender at the Three Broomsticks in Hogsmeade. The game establishes that she is fiercely loyal to Hogwarts and its students, as she stands up to Victor Rookwood in a key scene. Though it's always great to see more representation in any kind of media, Sirona Ryan does not truly add much to Hogwarts Legacy's plot other than being a minor NPC. As such, some have viewed the character's addition as performative representation rather than a meaningful statement against Rowling.

J.K. Rowling's harmful statements toward the transgender community cannot be fixed by simply adding a transgender woman to her most popular work and main source of income. Candidly, there is nothing that Avalanche Software or Warner Bros. Games can do to avoid Rowling's controversial statements, as it's likely that she will never change her mind on the subject. But that doesn't mean the developer can't strive to improve the brand's trans representation with Hogwarts Legacy 2, likely with the intent of avoiding its predecessor's boycott that was due to Rowling's statements.

Hogwarts Legacy 2 Will Likely Take the Same Approach as its Predecessor

Transgender Potterheads still exist despite Rowling's statements, so the expansion of Sirona Ryan as a character could be one way that Avalanche Software and Warner Bros. Games attempt to prevent a hypothetical boycott of Hogwarts Legacy 2. This expansion would have to be rather large and genuinely impact the story rather than Sirona Ryan's role from the previous game maintained, proving the character is not performative representation but something more substantial.

Right away, a few ideas spring to mind. Sirona Ryan's role as the head proprietor of the Three Broomsticks could be beneficial to the plot if the bar serves as a key location in Hogwarts Legacy 2. Perhaps she could once again come to the defense of her patrons, like the main students in the hypothetical sequel. If the game takes the mystery route, Sirona Ryan could essentially act as the archetypal trustworthy adult or mentor that mysteries led by teenagers tend to have. She could be a major quest giver and ally on certain tasks, appearing regularly throughout the entire game. Another option would be to include a transgender student as one of the key protagonists or companions in Hogwarts Legacy 2.

The statements made by J.K. Rowling over the last seven years regarding the transgender community have unfortunately damaged a piece of media that was once widely loved. Though it ultimately comes down to fans deciding if they are willing to separate the art from the artist, and Avalanche cannot clean up Rowling's mess, the developer behind Hogwarts Legacy can do more than insert a very minor trans character in its next game. Hopefully, characters like Sirona Ryan can be featured more heavily in Hogwarts Legacy 2, alongside transgender students, to bring a sense of comfort to trans Potterheads who decide to give the game a try.
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but the first one had a trans character what a crock of shit
 
Everytime someone has to affirm their color/sexuality to try and win a argument.. you can smell the bullshit from miles and miles away... "yeahh Im a white male heterosexual fighting for trans rights" lets go....


Sure fam...
 
nial said:
Outsider on the discussion, the problem is that this is not an argument in any capacity:


In fact, I find it weird that this response below went unnoticed, despite being FAR more egregious into personally attacking someone:
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Activists act like cultists, targeting vulnerable kids, especially those with autism, drive wedges with families
Friend of mine's daughter was targeted by trans Activists, sick high English teacher, every lesson was about how people need to celebrate transgenderism, actively went after depressed kids,
Guys daughter had her self mutilated as they fast tracked her into all sorts of surgeries
She realized she was wrong after destroying her body, and boy did that ever so supportive teacher become less supportive when she realized she didn't want to , oh that's right the teacher started calling her a term and bigot and every bs ophobe possible
In the next few years it's going to be awful seeing all the young people that regret multalating themselves because a trans activist predator targeted them for recruitment
 
MrA said:
Activists act like cultists, targeting vulnerable kids, especially those with autism, drive wedges with families
Friend of mine's daughter was targeted by trans Activists, sick high English teacher, every lesson was about how people need to celebrate transgenderism, actively went after depressed kids,
Guys daughter had her self mutilated as they fast tracked her into all sorts of surgeries
She realized she was wrong after destroying her body, and boy did that ever so supportive teacher become less supportive when she realized she didn't want to , oh that's right the teacher started calling her a term and bigot and every bs ophobe possible
In the next few years it's going to be awful seeing all the young people that regret multalating themselves because a trans activist predator targeted them for recruitment
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That's a terrible story, but you should also come down to the realization that there will always absolute shit people everywhere, no matter what. Not sure if that would justify labeling any single trans person or anyone supporting them as 'groomers' (I don't think that it's been proved that the vast majority of them decided to transition due to external pressure or influence, either), but if you believe so, gotta say we will just disagree there.
 
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MrA said:
Activists act like cultists, targeting vulnerable kids, especially those with autism, drive wedges with families
Friend of mine's daughter was targeted by trans Activists, sick high English teacher, every lesson was about how people need to celebrate transgenderism, actively went after depressed kids,
Guys daughter had her self mutilated as they fast tracked her into all sorts of surgeries
She realized she was wrong after destroying her body, and boy did that ever so supportive teacher become less supportive when she realized she didn't want to , oh that's right the teacher started calling her a term and bigot and every bs ophobe possible
In the next few years it's going to be awful seeing all the young people that regret multalating themselves because a trans activist predator targeted them for recruitment
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The cult of troons and their supporters are terrible. They are 100% predators who sadly look to grow their numbers by recruiting vulnerable kids and adults. Classic cult behavior.

What you described is child abuse. It's criminal.

The doctors who perform these treatments and surgeries, especially on children, are modern-day Dr. Mengeles.

One day in the future, we're going to look back at gender transition treatment and view it the same way we view lobotomies today. Quack science that did far more harm than good.
 
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nial said:
It's fair, but I just think the discussion was already on the verge of just outright losing any bit of nuance because of course it will when it comes to a topic like this. Not saying that what you pointed out was wrong, but it's one sentiment that I would actually get when posters are literally calling you a groomer or, similarly, throwing words such as 'troon' like nothing, which is a pretty bad look because I'm PRETTY sure that saying stuff like 'faggot' will actually get you a ban here (depending on the context, for sure).
For the record, I believe that you should be allowed to have any position and no opinion should be silenced, but not when it comes to plain disrespect.
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You make good points. I definitely agree about resorting to name calling.

But, as with everything, context and specific-nuance is required.

You have a group of people who have allys/supporters of this specific cause who engage in furthering the abuse of J.K Rowling (abuse is okay against her though…) because she has a large paltform and is a prominent figure, ergo she "shouldn't" be engaging in discussions, debates or fighting for the causes she believes in because of said status. It's punching down…

Then these allies throw up the "marginalized group" blanket, as if that makes it okay and excuses/absolves away the myriad of abuses, toxicity, death threats and authoritarianistic behavior that many of this "marginalized group" engage in.

Then that gives white knight's for this cause to ability to sweep in and castigate anyone who dares to speak out against this and label them bigots, transphobes, etc etc.

The attacks from the Allies are justified, just like the left is justifying violence; because their cause is the objectively CORRECT one. It's not a debate. They ARE CORRECT. Trans women are women, remember that? That's not a statement that you're allowed to dissent from.

So, when dealing with those types of people, how else is the argument suppose to go? They can dictate the terms of reality, tell you what you're allowed to believe and fight for?

Bullshit.
 
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Neff said:
I'm buying everyone on Resetera a copy

Hope they have fun!
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No need, they all bought the game already to check "how bad it was", like they did with cyberpunk and yotei, even if days before release they were shitting on suckerpunch for firing the woke bitch that was happy for kirk death.

90% of reee is performative bullshit.
 
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Labadal said:
The first game already had a tranny in it. There was nothing controversial about the first game. Only mentally ill people thought so.
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But that's the thing, even when pandering to those idiots wasn't enough devs still tried, good luck for them as nobody who played the game seemed to care, yet they were called the scum of the Earth for making the game by the ones bitching about the author, it was absolutely insane
 
I mean the devs specifically chose to do much of the marketing themselves through streams, avoiding these sites for the most part...and it worked.

Game journos have objectively even less viewership and marketing they can even do for you, so capitulating to them is pointless.

Biggest hurdle this game has to overcome is the novelty of the big AAA open-world Harry Potter game has been done, this one actually has to improve on core systems and design to grab that same level of an audience again.
 
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