Jez: Microsoft may be working on Xbox (360 etc.) emulation technology for Xbox Ally and other Windows devices.

Ah! More talk, few results.

This company just loves trying to keep itself in the news cycle. It's like the one sibling who feels they ALWAYS have to be the center of attention at family dinners, yet they're the one who does the dumbest things.

You know what I'm talking about...

It helps that Square Enix has already made several mainline Final Fantasy titles cross compatible with Xbox Series X/S and Xbox Ally, including Remake and 16. I expect the same for Rebirth and Part 3.

Final Fantasy is important again?

The franchise doesn't have the pull or weight it did during the '90s or early '00s. Square-Enix being down for it with FF won't suddenly convince a chain of other 3P to jump in. They just aren't big enough fish.
 
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We already have 360 emulation on windows/Linux devices though.

Just bring the OG Xbox and 360 emulation to steam because Xenia is still not good.

Depends on what you're trying to play. Most of the stuff that doesn't also have a native PC version is in very good shape these days.
 
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Like imagine paying $1K for a promised feature that might come a year after purchase. A feature that you'd assume would be present Day 1.

When you're mainly trying to compete on features at this point since you don't have exclusives.

It's a clown show.
 
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Coming from the XboxEra Discord. The Xbox Ally and other Windows devices may soon be able to run a select number of Xbox 360 and other Xbox console games soon. In addition to this, Jez claims that more big Xbox console titles like Hogwarts Legacy will retroactively be made available through Play Anywhere.

Backing up this rumour is a recent job listing from Microsoft that was shared by Xbox next generation VP Jason Ronald.




As a bonus, he also claimed that there would be a future "Xbox PC" OEM device that runs Windows without full backwards compatibility, alongside a "wide variety of Xbox hardware" coming into retail over the next few years. New generation AMD chips apparently will natively play your Xbox console library however.

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So it's cool for him to post rumors but anyone else he comes in at the 11th hour with a quote from Xbox but it's Sunday and we don't have a confirmation quote from his own rumor about this huh?
 
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Coming from the XboxEra Discord. The Xbox Ally and other Windows devices may soon be able to run a select number of Xbox 360 and other Xbox console games soon. In addition to this, Jez claims that more big Xbox console titles like Hogwarts Legacy will retroactively be made available through Play Anywhere.

Backing up this rumour is a recent job listing from Microsoft that was shared by Xbox next generation VP Jason Ronald.




As a bonus, he also claimed that there would be a future "Xbox PC" OEM device that runs Windows without full backwards compatibility, alongside a "wide variety of Xbox hardware" coming into retail over the next few years. New generation AMD chips apparently will natively play your Xbox console library however.

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He received his marching orders, so Jizz is on interference overtime to counter the Xbox hanheld negativity, throwing many shits to many walls to keep his lifestyle well supplied of bean 🫘 cans for as long as XboxMS Mark Eting deems...

until the moment he's out and crow is all he'll have for eating...which will see him consume himself and wither because, lets be real, there's no gym and brain transplant that can make Jez smart enough and nimble enough to overcome a crows intelligence, strenght and speed and he's able to catch a crow to eat. 🫠🫠🫠
 
Like imagine paying $1K for a promised feature that might come a year after purchase. A feature that you'd assume would be present Day 1.

When you're mainly trying to compete on features at this point since you don't have exclusives.

It's a clown show.

This is nothing new for them and their fanbase though.

Remember the "tools"?

Remember when the Xbox one x was marketed to have VR capability but they quietly pretended they never made such promises?

It's been a never ending string of "wait for this" and "wait for that" since the Phil Spencer era began.
 
Well that's a "no shit " statement. I'm sure they are working on a lot of emulation / translation for all xbox systems.
They already spent a lot of money building the "Xbox Chip" that circumvent the licensing issue with third party games. It just has nothing to do with the Xbox Ally. If they are going to spend money bypassing the rules that means Xbox know it is a waste of time focusing on the emulation route.

The Emulation route is technologically EASIER for Microsoft, but legally not worth the effort. They would be spending money on negotiations and yet with no obvious profit stream at the end of it.
 
The Ally has a disc drive? How many windows PCs have a disc drive?

I'm not talking about the Ally or normal PCs. if they eventually want to merge PC and Xbox, with a hybrid Console that is also kinda a PC, and which comes with a disc drive, they'll need 100% disc compatibility or it's not even worth trying.

for the ally they can adapt their current digital library for all I care. but their next console should be fully compatible... because again, XEMU already massively shits on their Back Compat program, and Xenia will eventually also get there.
 
How about getting play anywhere for every xbox one / series game up and running first. There are still around 70 games from my xbox library MIA on xbox pc app. Sekiro? Resident Evil 4 Remake? Cyberpunk? All are locked to my series x console that I sold off.
 
Depends on what you're trying to play. Most of the stuff that doesn't also have a native PC version is in very good shape these days.
Last I checked lost odyssey had a lot of issues. Its also a shame that unlike Xemu, Xenia is not that well supported in Linux.
 
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Jez always on damage control.

As most of us expected reviewers are calling out for it now being able to play alot if your Xbox consoles purchases. Which would turn off a lot of Xbox consoles owners, so here comes jez like always.
 
That's good news if true, it's never a bad idea to have more games playable on the platform and the 360 had some decent console exclusive ports (and was generally the better platform for games that didnt release on PC).
 
I'm not talking about the Ally or normal PCs. if they eventually want to merge PC and Xbox, with a hybrid Console that is also kinda a PC, and which comes with a disc drive, they'll need 100% disc compatibility or it's not even worth trying.

for the ally they can adapt their current digital library for all I care. but their next console should be fully compatible... because again, XEMU already massively shits on their Back Compat program, and Xenia will eventually also get there.
Jez is talking about a rumour of them bringing it to the xbox Ally and windows 11 and they would need licenses for that. I don't think having only disc BC will be very popular even in a newly launched hybrid device because most of the userbase was moved into digital with Series S and gamepass. Not being able to play digital libraries but only discs would go against what MS stand for.
 
Jez is talking about a rumour of them bringing it to the xbox Ally and windows 11 and they would need licenses for that. I don't think having only disc BC will be very popular even in a newly launched hybrid device because most of the userbase was moved into digital with Series S and gamepass. Not being able to play digital libraries but only discs would go against what MS stand for.

it's not a question of it's popular or not. if they don't have a fully capable emulator with official ways to play games, then anyone using any of the new PC Xbox hybrid consoles will just install XEMU or Xenia and play games that way.
XEMU already plays 90% of all Xbox games, and Xenia is already catching up to Microsoft's 360 back compat list.

so making a flakey list of select games will be seen as a joke on a system that has esyy access to emulators.

and hey, they could even sell overpriced hardware to sell their backwards compatibility!
Xbox and Xbox 360 discs can not be read by normal DVD/Bluray drives. you have to flash the bios of some select models if you wanna read Xbox discs.
this means they could literally sell an Xbox backwards compatibility disc drive add-on...
 
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"think", "might","few", "idk"
Jez as always.
Also xbox emulators have existed for while, they are not perfect but if xbox was serious they have plenty reference.
 
Why would anybody "eat crow" next year? Xbox bringing BC at some point in the future doesn't make what anyone is saying now wrong. You can only provide impressions of what you're given. Not what might come a year later. And what people were given was a Windows handheld marketed as "This is an Xbox".


Jez has this endless victim complex where he believes any time anyone says anything critical of Xbox, it's a personal attack.
 
it's not a question of it's popular or not. if they don't have a fully capable emulator with official ways to play games, then anyone using any of the new PC Xbox hybrid consoles will just install XEMU or Xenia and play games that way.
XEMU already plays 90% of all Xbox games, and Xenia is already catching up to Microsoft's 360 back compat list.

so making a flakey list of select games will be seen as a joke on a system that has esyy access to emulators.
True, even less reason for them to try that I guess with Xenia and XEMU being available alternatives but popularity will push them to do their own or not and I'm leaning towards not.
 
Why would anybody "eat crow" next year? Xbox bringing BC at some point in the future doesn't make what anyone is saying now wrong. You can only provide impressions of what you're given. Not what might come a year later. And what people were given was a Windows handheld marketed as "This is an Xbox".


Jez has this endless victim complex where he believes any time anyone says anything critical of Xbox, it's a personal attack.

Almost all of Microsoft's first party modern Xbox library is cross compatible with this device out of the box...and there's more to come.
 
Looks like Dead or Alive games (including Xtreme 2) still don't work. Thats a shame. Although current Microsoft deemed these games too harmful for BC. I wish Xenia was better supported. Xemu gets updated way more frequently than Xenia.

Xemu gets more updates because there's more appetite for the games catalogue.

Most games on the 360 also had (or have since had thanks to moderns remasters) native PC versions, so there's no need to emulate what would ultimately end up being an inferior version.

It's the same reason why shadps4 is essentially just a bloodborne emulator for now, the desire to put a ton of work in just isn't there for most of the other games.
 
Love what? What cant you wait for exactly?
Hype? Hyperbole? Lots of adjectives and adverbs and maybes and maybe nots?
All coming from a paid mouthpiece/shill with zero credibility?
This gets you going?
Gesh who shit in your Cheerios? I'm just excited for the idea of Xbox 360'games working without a lot of fidgeting about.
 
I just want to have Forza Horizon 1 and 2 and Rare Replay on PC
FH1 is still my favourite of the lot. The progression system was perfect, and sadly they've got worse in that regard with each new game.

Would love for it to be on PC. I'm sure they can replace some music and cars if needed due to licensing. The core game would still be intact.

Failing that, FH3 with progression system of the first. Now that would be amazing.
 
Almost all of Microsoft's first party modern Xbox library is cross compatible with this device out of the box...and there's more to come.
Except third parties are opting out of Play Anywhere because they want people to double dip. It is quite possible for GTA6 to be on Xbox Series but have a delayed launch on an Xbox PC because GTA6 currently does not have a launch date for the PC version. The big players just doesn't want to join the Play Anywhere program because Xbox doesn't have the leverage to force them to.
 
"might eat crow"
"run at least some"
"would need to partner with some publishers/devs"
"more like PC"
"not supporting your entire back catalogue"

Regardless of who we are talking about and who is saying it, that is a whole lot of doubt.
This is simply Jez (and many others) not understanding the difference between console and PC.

Console - runs console game versions natively.
PC - runs PC game versions natively.

If they ever make a device that can run both then it'll go by the hybrid definition used sometimes.

And I don't see why this has to be about old games. It's not like backwards compatibility has been standard historically on consoles.

And Play Anywhere is just progress and license syncing.

Look at new games instead. GTA6 comes to consoles next year. If it can't run on whatever device Microsoft have that they call "Xbox", then it's not an Xbox.
 
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Everything I've read says this is unlikely to happen. Microsoft could, in theory, only allow their own titles (which is actually a considerable amount at this point) but that wouldn't necessarily be "Xbox 360 BC" so much as it would be "Microsoft BC".
 
Everything I've read says this is unlikely to happen. Microsoft could, in theory, only allow their own titles (which is actually a considerable amount at this point) but that wouldn't necessarily be "Xbox 360 BC" so much as it would be "Microsoft BC".
When the sales of the Nexbox collapses, there would be a collapse of official 3rd party support anyway. It's basically what Nintendo went through with the Gamecube.
 
New generation AMD chips apparently will natively play your Xbox console library however.
So they will miraculously come with Xbox APIs and OS interfaces inside them then?
Honestly sometimes people shouldn't talk about things which they "hear" until they actually understand the meaning of these.
 
This is nothing new for them and their fanbase though.

Remember the "tools"?

Remember when the Xbox one x was marketed to have VR capability but they quietly pretended they never made such promises?

It's been a never ending string of "wait for this" and "wait for that" since the Phil Spencer era began.

well said
 
This is nothing new for them and their fanbase though.

Remember the "tools"?

Remember when the Xbox one x was marketed to have VR capability but they quietly pretended they never made such promises?

It's been a never ending string of "wait for this" and "wait for that" since the Phil Spencer era began.

True. But I guess a (good) takeaway is, the fanatics get a little less stupid each time. A little bit more of them finally wake up and stop falling for the bullshit.

On the whole tho most of them are slow learners 🤣

They already spent a lot of money building the "Xbox Chip" that circumvent the licensing issue with third party games. It just has nothing to do with the Xbox Ally. If they are going to spend money bypassing the rules that means Xbox know it is a waste of time focusing on the emulation route.

The Emulation route is technologically EASIER for Microsoft, but legally not worth the effort. They would be spending money on negotiations and yet with no obvious profit stream at the end of it.

I thought the "Xbox chip" thing was mainly rumor but has that actually been confirmed? It would make offering BC easy from a legal POV but that does incur a decent amount of additional costs on MS's end.

What's the point? Almost every Xbox game is avaliable as a PC release. No need for emulation.

Xbox console owners moving over to these new devices don't want to re-buy these games on PC if they can avoid it. Plus, especially with pre-XBO titles, sometimes the PC versions were demonstrably worst than the console one, either in performance or missing out a lot of content.

I remember the original PC port of Silent Hill 2 being rather bad compared to the PS2 & Xbox versions, for example. Broken graphics in areas and nowhere near the particle fillrate of the PS2 despite being playable on more powerful computers.

How many 360 games do people really care about emulating in 2025? It's easier just to portthe handful that still exist than all this.

It's not about only getting the most popular games; when you start looking at it only from that perspective is how we start losing access and source code to so many games, and end up losing big chunks of gaming history. This stuff should be seen as preservation efforts first & foremost, and in that context every game that was ever made should count.

It's also about having respect for gaming as an artform; preserving access to all games no matter how small or niche, should always be expected.

it's not a question of it's popular or not. if they don't have a fully capable emulator with official ways to play games, then anyone using any of the new PC Xbox hybrid consoles will just install XEMU or Xenia and play games that way.
XEMU already plays 90% of all Xbox games, and Xenia is already catching up to Microsoft's 360 back compat list.

so making a flakey list of select games will be seen as a joke on a system that has esyy access to emulators.

and hey, they could even sell overpriced hardware to sell their backwards compatibility!
Xbox and Xbox 360 discs can not be read by normal DVD/Bluray drives. you have to flash the bios of some select models if you wanna read Xbox discs.
this means they could literally sell an Xbox backwards compatibility disc drive add-on...

You know something? I had a very similar idea for SIE in bringing hardware-based PS1/2/3 BC to PlayStation consoles like PS6. Make a capable enough interface for the disc drive (needs a lot of bandwidth), throw in the necessary processor components to the disc drive, have the drive push the output framebuffer through the PS6 which sends it out to the television or monitor.

May even be possible to just let the drive have a multiplexed connection to both the I/O block and directly to the GPU, the latter for getting the frames from the drive to the connected display. Yes a product like this would be quite niche, but the audience who'd want that type of hardware-based BC (can throw PSP & Vita in there too) would be willing to pay the money for it.

If SIE could just either integrate the hardware components into a cheap ASIC or make different drives for specific groups of systems (PS1 & PS2 since PS2 basically had all the PS1 hardware in its design anyway; PS3 for PS3 games; PSP & Vita for their games) and price them accordingly.
 
It having the ability to do it is great. Figuring out the licensing is the actual problem.

Thats why the previous back-compat program died out, they got as many agreements as they could and then found it wasn't worth the effort anymore.

Face it Xbros, MS is just maneuvering to cut bait and leave your libraries at least partially stranded on defunct hardware. They're doing it slowly and relatively carefully but sometime in the next 2 years you're going to wake up to a press release or video that tells you how you're being fucked over and excitedly explains as to why that's a good thing. It will not be presented by Sarah Bond or Big Philly-Style Spencer, just another unfortunate intern -- probably a black woman to help deflect the rage.

Jez knows about licensing too, so I choose to think he's being a useful tool for MS to achieve their aims.
 
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