Kacho
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It's obvious they don't care, that's why they chased GAAS with reckless abandon. They aren't reaching ever increasing profit with single player games.
Did Sony already lose next gen with PS6 before it even started?
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Gameplay Gods Bless
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I'm strictly talking about the home consoles i.e PS6 vs PS5. Sony is doing a level of cost cutting (CU increase, memory bus size, CPU etc) with the PS6 that they didn't with the PS5 and that's a reaction to the PS5 price situation over the years.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Sony's fault is that for 30 years they are constantly doing what's right for the platform and not farming fanboy aura on gaming forums with borderline insane mergers.
There are missteps of course, like GaaS pivot or Cell that almost killed the entire Sony Corporation, but internationally they are The Home Console, they truly know their broad audience market (Portal is a great proof of that) and with very strong post-PS5 ecosystem debt that is very unlikely to change in the fourth decade of PlayStation to come.
Also OP is being stupid but it is what it is.
There are missteps of course, like GaaS pivot or Cell that almost killed the entire Sony Corporation, but internationally they are The Home Console, they truly know their broad audience market (Portal is a great proof of that) and with very strong post-PS5 ecosystem debt that is very unlikely to change in the fourth decade of PlayStation to come.
Also OP is being stupid but it is what it is.
Tobimacoss
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Sure, but the prices increased in other areas. Like TSMC charge rates. Plus, once you have a market cornered, you don't simply reduce prices if there's no need.
PS6S $349
PS6 Portable $499 (without a Dock)
PS6 Home Console $699 (without a disc drive or stand).
The PS6S would be enough to bring on board the PS4 userbase, as that device would be at least 3 times more powerful than a PS4, and capable of running the mainstream games like FortNite.
DeltaPolarBear
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That sounds like excuses for why Xbox with infinite money still lost. Face it, Xbox just sucked that bad. PS is not invincible, they just sucked less.
I look forward to a new competitor now that Xbox is officially on their way out. It would take 6 year at least from today due to game development speeds. But i expect someone to take a crack at it by 2031.
My original best bet was Amazon. But their recent layoffs with gaming means I now see it as unlikely. Maybe a Korean company?
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kevboard
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there won't even be a traditional "next gen" to lose or win.
the landscape is completely splintering.
Nintendo's 10th gen system is already out, and is a handheld hybrid... Microsoft seems to be making a PC hybrid... and Sony is essentially the only one left with a traditional home console for gen10 it seems...
but then Sony also is making a hybrid handheld as a secondary thing, and maybe Microsoft will also make a Handheld, given how they seem to work on multiple APUs with AMD. maybe Microsoft will make a low end and high end PC console hybrid?
but, honestly, "next gen" will maybe finally be an interesting console generation again, after 3 generations where Sony and MS made super similar consoles, next gen will be a bit more interesting due to how everyone seems to go into slightly different directions.
the landscape is completely splintering.
Nintendo's 10th gen system is already out, and is a handheld hybrid... Microsoft seems to be making a PC hybrid... and Sony is essentially the only one left with a traditional home console for gen10 it seems...
but then Sony also is making a hybrid handheld as a secondary thing, and maybe Microsoft will also make a Handheld, given how they seem to work on multiple APUs with AMD. maybe Microsoft will make a low end and high end PC console hybrid?
but, honestly, "next gen" will maybe finally be an interesting console generation again, after 3 generations where Sony and MS made super similar consoles, next gen will be a bit more interesting due to how everyone seems to go into slightly different directions.
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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KimDongHwan
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Will the PSIIIIII even get released?
nial
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Kinda hard to believe, isn't it?
Back in 1999, SCE was preparing the PlayStation 2 while the PlayStation was performing strong, Sega's Dreamcast was already out for a while, and the Nintendo 64 was still trucking along with a successor in line.
In 2027, though? SIE will be preparing the PlayStation 6 while PlayStation 5 will still perform strong... and that's about it? If the Xbox Series isn't discontinued in the following year, they will sure as hell not be available in the market by the end of 2027.
DeltaPolarBear
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It is still hard to believe we are only 20 years away from the mythical PS9. It is possible we would never get there, but when the advert came out in 2000 it seemed impossibly far away. We are literally more than half way there now.
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Tobimacoss
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It better be a Sphere. Plus Sony will still be able to sell a stand to prevent it from rolling over.
Forsete
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No, but the PSIIIIIII will. Mark my words and ask ChatGPT to save it for you.
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nial
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Love how it's set in 2078, when will get the PS9 three entire decades before that year.
MisterXDTV
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Is this thread a joke I'm not getting?
Their only direct competitor just left the market
Their only direct competitor just left the market
JerryinSoCal
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The one game a year thing isn't really even true now, they had multiple first party games every year for the first few and even this year they've published 3 AAA games, one was developed by an outside studio but they published it.
Durin
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Eh, Microsoft may be doing a hybrid device, but they will struggle to sell their weaker storefront against Steam...unless they make BIG improvements.
Sony and Valve will likely eat Microsoft marketshare on game sales next-gen.
The only struggles for Sony are that the costs to keep pushing stagnating graphical jumps, keeping dev time for AAA games in check, and making a good handheld offering to keep growing. Long-term struggle that is most interesting to me are that Microsoft and Valve both have vectors to release a flurry of games to the bigger smartphone/audience through ARM translation layers, and Sony by comparison still has to port much of theirs.
Sony and Valve will likely eat Microsoft marketshare on game sales next-gen.
The only struggles for Sony are that the costs to keep pushing stagnating graphical jumps, keeping dev time for AAA games in check, and making a good handheld offering to keep growing. Long-term struggle that is most interesting to me are that Microsoft and Valve both have vectors to release a flurry of games to the bigger smartphone/audience through ARM translation layers, and Sony by comparison still has to port much of theirs.
nial
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Maybe once people stop buying that hardware, which will probably never happen.
Syphon Filter
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xbox is out of the console business, a PC doesn't count as a console.
from the big brain that brought you
why are these blatant trolls allowed here?
morons barely have a console left and still trying to console-war
why are these blatant trolls allowed here?
morons barely have a console left and still trying to console-war
VolticArchangel
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
We can only dream and hope
Gamerguy84
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Lol these threads the last few days.
David B
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Here's the thing right now a lot of people are forgetting. Sony releases there games first on there console that runs on UNIX now. They used Linux for PS4 and PS3. About 2 years later that game comes to Steam on PC. But with Microsoft, we see that they are officially quiting the console market as the ROG Ally X and Ally regular are just running Windows 11 really. Same thing with there next Xbox console. Sure call it a "console", when it's really just a PC with Windows 11 and maybe have it run Xbox app right away at the opening of Windows 11. But oh guess what, it's still Windows 11. So for those who really don't like PC gaming, well guess what kids? The Xbox consoles are dead! You want a console now? PlayStation or Nintendo, that's it now. Because the two of them run Linux for Nintendo and UNIX for Sony. Custom OSes of there own make. Microsoft is just going you know what, we are losing billions of dollars on consoles, so let's just go about making more PCs with our Windows 11 and sell it out there, and people will see oh hey look, now I can use this as a computer and game console at the same time mom and dad! So yeah that's the truth of it all.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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Yeap TSMC costs are higher but that's why my range is higher than PS5s launch rate. $550-$650. I am not aware of a PS6S akin to a series S. If there is such a thing then yea the price of the bigger PS6 home console becomes less of a concern. But at that point I'd rather they'd launch with the handheld and PS6S, then save the bigger home console for the pro revision with RDNA6, that would make the Pro console way way faster and a more noticeable upgrade than the PS5 Pro was.
Maybe there won't be a PS6 Pro is there is a P6S at launch.
Fess
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I'm sorry, I know the laugh emoji is mostly used by platform warriors but it honestly needs to be used here.
No exaggeration, PS6 will be the only true next gen console. Literally complete monopoly. The consequences from that is difficult to imagine, it all depends on how Sony wants to handle being in this new position.
And the next Xbox will have some new challenges. From my perspective as a PC gamer I think it'll miss both target audiences. Not smooth and seamless enough as a console. Not powerful and customizable enough as a PC. It'll have a small audience though, maybe 10 million, 20m if Gamepass survives and stay rich with content.
The TokTok generation is lost to everyone. And anybody with a 12-15yo in house can go ask what they're playing. It won't be anything us dinosaurs here think is good. Most likely it'll be some crap mobile free webbrowser game.
pacman4000
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Right, the market isn't the same as 10 years ago. Today Sony's games division makes more in revenue, and earns more profit, than 10 years ago. How is that a problem?
FingerBang
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The console market is bigger than it was 10 years ago
15 years ago people thought consoles would be dead because mobile phones
Sony is making a ton of money selling services and games, not only on Playstation but also on Xbox and PC
The new Xbox is going to be expensive and PCs already exist. Also, all games will be on Playstation
DenchDeckard
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Ps6 will be a success and I also look forward to what parts are going to be spun from the unveiling as some form of special sauce that only the playstation can deliver and will elevate it beyond pc gaming.
I still look back and lol at all the SSD stuff.
I still look back and lol at all the SSD stuff.
apple_of_enlightenment
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Playstation is much more vulnerable going into next gen than it ever has been. The deterioration of the HD-centric console market segment has effectively knocked MS out of the race already. In relation it is becoming much less viable to make AAA games with fewer of these titles being green lit, more being cancelled and the exceptional long delays of even the crown jewel GTA is telling.
CentralScrutinizer
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See you at the Sony concert!
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L*][*N*K
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They actually didn't, Playstation 5 literally doesn't do anything interesting it doesn't even have a good first party, xbox's first party is better on PlayStation 5 than PlayStation's first party is on their own console. They just lost and no amount of research can explain it.
DeltaPolarBear
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You will never understand. Microsoft doesn't know how to keep customers happy, Microsoft is used to captured customers who buy Microsoft because they have no choice. Microsoft doesn't know the difference between good games and bad games. And even when given a good game, like Hifi Rush, Microsoft still doesn't understand what the big deal is about it and kill it. Because good games and bad games are the same for Microsoft. Because they make money selling shitty products for the last 30 years.
Microsoft has worse than bad taste, they have no taste at all. They could have made Killer Instinct 2 and made money. But they didn't see WHY they should. Because in the end Microsoft is NOT interested in selling games for money.
And consumers can detect their disinterest.
yurinka
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In your dreams maybe. In the real world Sony is the console maker market leader, kept increasing their market share every year and their last direct competitor standing is leaving the business of being a console maker and starting to publish all their games on PlayStation. Plus there's still a big active userbase engaged at PS4 that some day will upgrade to PS5 or PS6. Sony also has been doubling down efforts signing more of the types of projects that have been helping them to grow their userbase: strategical devs with key partners from China, Korea or India to help them grow there plus non-gaming adaptation of key (mostly 1st party) IPs on PlayStation.
Meaning, the PS5/PS6 will continue growing and will be the only one making high end AAA games friendly consoles.
MS is moving away from the direct competition with Sony as console maker and will focus on being a full multiplatform publisher in all platfoms.
If in the next gen Sony releases their PC store (very likely) they'll start competing more directly against Steam in PC (so outside consoles).
And if Sony releases a portable and starts making more kid friendly 'all ages' games like Astro Bot and Gummy Bears (very likely) will start to compete with Nintendo in handhelds.
But in high end consoles Sony will continue being the only main player with more protagonism than in any previous console generation.
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simpatico
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Game systems have been more than game systems for a couple decades now. Sliding backwards will make the value prop tougher in a tight economy. PSX was a great CD player, which was not taken for granted at the time. I had a friend who used it as a primary music device. Many reading this did too. PS2 was most people's DVD player. PS3 was media box that played games. PS4 was still early in the smart TV conversion era. Sony would be wise to not completely rest of the PS5 laurels, because many other companies have been burned by taking COVID era economics as an indicator of things to come.
PS6 is interesting. It's likely not more powerful than a PS5 Pro. It doesn't offer any extra value in terms of being a portal for other non-gaming content.
PS6 is interesting. It's likely not more powerful than a PS5 Pro. It doesn't offer any extra value in terms of being a portal for other non-gaming content.
Ellis
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People go on about Sony needing competition to not be shit, yet they effectively had zero competition during the PS1 and PS2 gens and those years were literally peak PlayStation.
Sure, others existed, but competition they were not. Far less so than even what Xbox is to PS5 right now.
Sure, others existed, but competition they were not. Far less so than even what Xbox is to PS5 right now.
reinking
Gold Member
For the purpose of this thread, the Switch 2 and PS6 are nowhere near that point. As the next generation grows up maybe we see console popularity decline in a significant way but currently both Switch 2 and PS5 are doing great.
As for why someone would use PlayStation's future product or service? The same as any other video game product or service. They are already invested in that platform, price, performance and titles available.
A lot of people think Sony has ignored streaming and cloud gaming without acknowledging that Sony was streaming games before Microsoft with PlayStation Now. Sony does not ignore PC gaming either. As some like to point out, soon you will be able to play those games on a competing console. The biggest difference is Sony has always pushed their console first. Sony will be able to make a transition when the time is required. Will they be dominant in that realm? Maybe. Maybe not. Personally, I think as traditional console popularity declines, mobile gaming will be the biggest benefactor.