PC gamers claim Windows 11's Gaming Copilot is capturing gameplay for AI training by default – but what it's actually doing is spoiling performance

These things only work for as long as MS allows them to, I know I used to waste time trying to fight MS.

Debloater route: They'll re-enable the features or re-install software you removed on a regular basis.

Manual updates are a plain lie: when the computer wants an update it will act strange until you do the updates, at best you can delay them a bit. This is old stuff, MS used to force update people from Windows XP into Windows Vista back in the days.

Mass migration to other OSs is the only way to get the message across in a way that they will understand, if you use a product and you need to fight with it all the time to keep it working in a way you can tolerate it means it's time to find an alternative.

For gaming there are many ways, Linux gaming pretty much out of the box with Bazzite for your Steam library, unless you play a game that has DRM that aren't compatible.

For the rest it's on a case by case basis.

But, in a lot of cases it's a one way street, once you regain control over your computer, notice how much faster it is than you thought it was, forget about the nagware... it's impossible to move back.
When settings are managed by organisations it's to allow IT managers to exert control over machines for various reasons. The idea that Windows flat out ignores that would be too much of a logistical and security nightmare for organisations worldwide. Especially for things like recall, there are scenarios where you just can't have that stuff running and rather than create custom builds for those business customers they leave it modular enough to be configured.

Windows is a pain in the arse now more than ever, but there are lines.

This thread has quite a lot of FUD and paranoia.
 
When settings are managed by organisations it's to allow IT managers to exert control over machines for various reasons. The idea that Windows flat out ignores that would be too much of a logistical and security nightmare for organisations worldwide. Especially for things like recall, there are scenarios where you just can't have that stuff running and rather than create custom builds for those business customers they leave it modular enough to be configured.

Windows is a pain in the arse now more than ever, but there are lines.

This thread has quite a lot of FUD and paranoia.
The sad truth is that they will force themselves on your computer at some point, maybe you didn't notice... great for you, but in reality they did.

There is an example, internet is full of them:
open-letter-to-microsoft-on-forced-updates

The sad reality is that they won't respect the settings they put themselves on the personal side, if they don't want me to forego updates for an indefinite amount of time, they should not put fake settings there. Then you go on forums and you have people like you saying, no, just use the REAL settings that are hidden.

Why should anyone bother at this point? It's actually less trouble to just install an OS that respects my time.
 
The sad truth is that they will force themselves on your computer at some point, maybe you didn't notice... great for you, but in reality they did.

There is an example, internet is full of them:
open-letter-to-microsoft-on-forced-updates

The sad reality is that they won't respect the settings they put themselves on the personal side, if they don't want me to forego updates for an indefinite amount of time, they should not put fake settings there. Then you go on forums and you have people like you saying, no, just use the REAL settings that are hidden.

Why should anyone bother at this point? It's actually less trouble to just install an OS that respects my time.
I completely agree, Windows does not respect the user. MS don't make it easy to control certain things at all. Perhaps they're running on the wisdom that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but they could quite easily make it easier for people that aren't IT admins but aren't clueless grandparents. That's why Chris Titus' tool is so good - it does the work for you. He is that middle ground option where a built in option doesn't exist, as are other tools of a similar nature like O&OSU10. You can achieve this stuff if you are comfortable enough to read and follow instructions. It doesn't make it ideal, but it's there.

But my main point is that you quoted a screenshot of a group policy controlled Windows Update and said it won't be the case forever, and I don't see that ever going away.

Mass migration to another OS isn't going to happen any time soon. Linux just hit 3% share on Steam, which is a gain but nowhere near the point of making a difference. I still believe a wider rollout of SteamOS is the best if not only chance that Linux has at wider adoption any time soon.

I also disagree that it's less trouble to install a new OS. Even if you're just being hyperbolic it's a commonly repeated point that I don't think considers reality. A new OS inherently comes with a learning curve and demands time and effort. And that's after you've somehow chosen a Linux distro. I'm lucky that I'm happy with CachyOS so it's a one and done situation for me, but I could have gone for EndeavourOS for another Arch distro or Bazzite for a very different flavour and I'm just talking about a gaming friendly distro with minimal additional software and hardware needs.

So if we're comparing the complexity and closeness to an ideal, in a fraction of that time any user with 2 brain cells to rub together can run CTT and be done with it, even if they have to re-run it every now and again to be sure settings have stuck. That seems far more ideal to the vast majority and even most enthusiasts than Linux.
 
I completely agree, Windows does not respect the user. MS don't make it easy to control certain things at all. Perhaps they're running on the wisdom that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but they could quite easily make it easier for people that aren't IT admins but aren't clueless grandparents. That's why Chris Titus' tool is so good - it does the work for you. He is that middle ground option where a built in option doesn't exist, as are other tools of a similar nature like O&OSU10. You can achieve this stuff if you are comfortable enough to read and follow instructions. It doesn't make it ideal, but it's there.

But my main point is that you quoted a screenshot of a group policy controlled Windows Update and said it won't be the case forever, and I don't see that ever going away.

Mass migration to another OS isn't going to happen any time soon. Linux just hit 3% share on Steam, which is a gain but nowhere near the point of making a difference. I still believe a wider rollout of SteamOS is the best if not only chance that Linux has at wider adoption any time soon.

I also disagree that it's less trouble to install a new OS. Even if you're just being hyperbolic it's a commonly repeated point that I don't think considers reality. A new OS inherently comes with a learning curve and demands time and effort. And that's after you've somehow chosen a Linux distro. I'm lucky that I'm happy with CachyOS so it's a one and done situation for me, but I could have gone for EndeavourOS for another Arch distro or Bazzite for a very different flavour and I'm just talking about a gaming friendly distro with minimal additional software and hardware needs.

So if we're comparing the complexity and closeness to an ideal, in a fraction of that time any user with 2 brain cells to rub together can run CTT and be done with it, even if they have to re-run it every now and again to be sure settings have stuck. That seems far more ideal to the vast majority and even most enthusiasts than Linux.
Granted, I've been down the debloater road, tried to fight it for years... in the end I have a PC that is not that old, and perform admirably (Ryzen 5800x, 32gb RAM, Radeon 7900 XTX) that had some issues getting beyond Windows 10 (I needed to get the TPCM 2.0 key)... Anyway, I'm hard headed and I just refused to put up with the trouble, had some Linux experience on other devices (RPI, web servers, etc.) so I figured I'd try a few distros.

Ubuntu, Fedora, and I ended up with Bazzite, but it could have been one of the other two, or one of many others... I just got tired of switching.

People like us have to lead the way (as you said, Linux just hit 3% on Steam, we are still early adopters of the desktop), eventually people who are just slightly savvy will have their friend setup Bazzite for them to have a console like experience in the living room. The setup and general configuration steps were just brain dead simple, I hate Fedora's partition tool, but this is a one and done thing. Then when people get used to it for gaming, they will want to keep the same system for their day to day computing needs, a lot of people do everything on the web these days, these cloud platform couldn't care less what OS you have.

As you said, there is a lot of inertia, this is always like that, until it's not anymore, look how fast companies softare that seemed irreplacable like Novell Netware just vanished when their time had come. But on the other hand, some old commercial software that required old OSes, like DOS or wouldn't run on versions of Windows beyond win 98 or something still hang around.

So we shall see, but I would say that if MS doesn't get their act together Windows will be much less prevalent in 10 years than it is now that could be 60 or 70%... maybe less, who knows, but I see an opening for change, so hopefully this is the time.
 
As you said, there is a lot of inertia, this is always like that, until it's not anymore, look how fast companies softare that seemed irreplacable like Novell Netware just vanished when their time had come. But on the other hand, some old commercial software that required old OSes, like DOS or wouldn't run on versions of Windows beyond win 98 or something still hang around.
Wow, there's a flash back. I used to install and maintain Novell Netware networks back in the mid-90's.
I had a super anti Microsoft boss back then so our office ran on Lotus Notes/Domino. He'd have fit in on this thread. I'm sure he's somewhere now shouting "Windows is spyware" at the sky.
 
Considering Windows 11 is becoming more spyware by the day and less of an OS, I'm considering switching in a year or two. I already have Copilot uninstalled and but I'm not really comfortable with Windows anymore, with UK laws slowly creeping out worldwide it's probably the best to switch to an open-source OS.

Anyone has a suggestion where I should start and which Linux distribution I should aim for?

When settings are managed by organisations it's to allow IT managers to exert control over machines for various reasons. The idea that Windows flat out ignores that would be too much of a logistical and security nightmare for organisations worldwide. Especially for things like recall, there are scenarios where you just can't have that stuff running and rather than create custom builds for those business customers they leave it modular enough to be configured.

Windows is a pain in the arse now more than ever, but there are lines.

This thread has quite a lot of FUD and paranoia.

I think that the idea that Windows spies everything you do on your machine is over exaggerated - At least for now anyways. But it's clear that they no longer respect users, Satya is probably to blame on this.
 
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Anyone has a suggestion where I should start and which Linux distribution I should aim for?
The advice I would give, is install on a second drive. So you can always switch back to windows if it doesn't work out for you.

I think starting with the most famous distributions, something like Ubuntu would be best. I don't game on Linux so I'm not sure how the landscape for that is.
 
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The advice I would give, is install on a second drive. So you can always switch back to windows if it doesn't work out for you.
That's the most sane reply so far.

You can also use a VM for the OS you want to learn and experiment with, without having to restart every time. I have some Linux and MAC OS VMs and i can even use them all at the same time while i'm in Windows.
 
When settings are managed by organisations it's to allow IT managers to exert control over machines for various reasons. The idea that Windows flat out ignores that would be too much of a logistical and security nightmare for organisations worldwide. Especially for things like recall, there are scenarios where you just can't have that stuff running and rather than create custom builds for those business customers they leave it modular enough to be configured.

Windows is a pain in the arse now more than ever, but there are lines.

This thread has quite a lot of FUD and paranoia.

Tell that to the IT department where I work; they're constantly fighting against Microsoft.
There was a Windows 10 image installed on my laptop. Updates were blocked via GPO. One day, when I turned on the laptop, it started updating to Windows 11.
I spoke with the IT staff and they were surprised and developed a support plan for anyone else experiencing this issue in the company, since there was no guarantee that some internal software would work.

Now that we have an image of Windows 11, I remember that Windows Hello would constantly re-enable itself, even when disabled. Things like CoPilot or Edge trying to become the center of attention also irritate system administrators.

When I was told that new laptops had arrived and that we could choose a Linux image, I didn't waste any time and migrated. Today I use my laptop with OpenSUSE Linux without any problems, while every day I hear my colleagues with Windows laptops complaining about some bug.
 
Anyone has a suggestion where I should start and which Linux distribution I should aim for?
For general use you've got Mint as the most popular Debian based distribution. It trades being super up to date for stability and it's easy to use.

The two popular choices for a gaming focus are Bazzite (Fedora based) and CachyOS (Arch based).

Bazzite is a newer style of Linux designed to avoid breaking. It's called atomic if you want to look into it, but the short version is it's designed to stop things like updates breaking your system. It also comes with all the stuff you need to get going with games.

Cachy also has gaming stuff built in, and also had refinements for newer processors that speeds things up by making use of modern stuff (if you have a compatible CPU). It also has custom builds of some software to take advantage of the same improvements. It doesn't have the atomic nature of Bazzite, but it does allow you to easily set up snapshots that are automatically created when you perform updates so you still have that safety net.

I'm no expert, as my only experience is some Mint use on an old machine (never played games on it) and my current CachyOS.
 


I've seen the video.

I'm still not convinced that Microsoft watching you like the North Korean government but I can't deny they are spying on users and it's getting worse.

Either way, I will look into switching to Linux for this reason anyways.

For general use you've got Mint as the most popular Debian based distribution. It trades being super up to date for stability and it's easy to use.

The two popular choices for a gaming focus are Bazzite (Fedora based) and CachyOS (Arch based).

Bazzite is a newer style of Linux designed to avoid breaking. It's called atomic if you want to look into it, but the short version is it's designed to stop things like updates breaking your system. It also comes with all the stuff you need to get going with games.

Cachy also has gaming stuff built in, and also had refinements for newer processors that speeds things up by making use of modern stuff (if you have a compatible CPU). It also has custom builds of some software to take advantage of the same improvements. It doesn't have the atomic nature of Bazzite, but it does allow you to easily set up snapshots that are automatically created when you perform updates so you still have that safety net.

I'm no expert, as my only experience is some Mint use on an old machine (never played games on it) and my current CachyOS.

How well optimized is Mint and how is program installation? There are three versions, which should I pick?

Do I need the terminal like in Linux?
 
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How well optimized is Mint and how is program installation? There are three versions, which should I pick?

Do I need the terminal like in Linux?

Just to throw my own two cents in, if you go Mint....pick their Cinnamon version easily. It's their more modern-looking desktop environment they put the most work into, the others are more beneficial if you're stuck on old hardware you wanna be lighter weight at the expense of features + looks.

Mint is pretty lightweight and easy to use, but if got Nvidia hardware it might require manual fiddling for keeping up with current drivers. You won't get bad gaming performance, but it will be slower than others.

If playing modern higher graphic games is important, Bazzite is probably the best beginner option to use.
 
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I had a super anti Microsoft boss back then so our office ran on Lotus Notes/Domino. He'd have fit in on this thread. I'm sure he's somewhere now shouting "Windows is spyware" at the sky.
Ouch, I was working at a place where we used Lotus Notes, that thing was slow and bloated compared to Outlook, powerful... but oh so bloated.

We were so happy to get rid of it!
 
I think that the idea that Windows spies everything you do on your machine is over exaggerated - At least for now anyways. But it's clear that they no longer respect users, Satya is probably to blame on this.
This is their thing, the OS has backdoors for surveillance... MS (Bill G. himself) spoke about it in front of the European Union, they claimed that they removed them, but they would not share the source code to let anyone verify.

That was probably around 15 years ago, there is no reason to think that may have changed.
 
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