Steam Frame, Steam controller and Steam Machine Revealed

nial said:
Oh that's correct. I somehow forgot that.
But still, for its PC environment without bespoke development optimization, on top of being pretty weak in general, no chance that this goes beyond a couple of years for new AAA titles.
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Games have pretty much stagnated in terms of graphics, a considerable number of people buy laptops with even less power than this. Like i said earlier, all hangs on the price
 
People are really setting themselves up for disappointment if they think the Gabecube is going to be $300-400 or so IMO. HW is basically a R5 8400F + RX 7600. For that price they massively undercut e.g. Minisforum's similar computers and since it's just a computer people will buy them to run as routers/NASes/Dell Optiplex replacements etc and Valve will make hundreds of dollars in losses per unit.
 
For anyone wondering about Steam Machine's TF power, it's 8.78 TF for single-precision floating point (FP32), assuming the calculations are similar to RDNA2 GPUs.

So just a tad shy of base PS5. I'm expecting it won't be priced any higher than $399, it could even be $349. $299 is a low probability but if they hit that price then it's just an automatic win and impulse buy for many (even more than it already is without price even announced).

I'm liking everything they're showing, and I'll be looking to pick up all three within 2026. The VR headset might be last tho, only because out of the three I'd have the least immediate use for it. Now I'm just curious what volumes these things are going to be produced at, and how the distribution's going to be. If it's larger in scope on both fronts than how they did Steam Deck (up until they got OEMs like Lenovo involved), then we could be seeing some big movement in this PC/console hybrid space.

Xyphie said:
People are really setting themselves up for disappointment if they think the Gabecube is going to be $300-400 or so IMO. HW is basically a R5 8400F + RX 7600. For that price they massively undercut e.g. Minisforum's similar computers and since it's just a computer people will buy them to run as routers/NASes/Dell Optiplex replacements etc and Valve will make hundreds of dollars in losses per unit.
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Valve subsidized the Steam Deck.

nial said:
The Steam Machine being a weak Windows-based device, it will not last for more than 3 years. PS5 and Xbox Series will not last that much, either, people will be disappointed if they seriously believe that.
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Steam OS. These are running Steam OS, not Windows.

Stafford said:
So specs wise this isn't even an XSX or PS5? Because honestly,.....disappointing.
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8.78 TF RDNA3 vs. 10.3 TF & 12 TF RDNA2...it's effectively the same when accounting for architectural improvements of RDNA3 vs RDNA2, including better data compression.

Similar situation with the CPU, even if it has less physical cores & threads. Zen4 shits all over Zen2.
 
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The console looks cute, reminds me of GC. Topher Topher mocks it but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they actually sue them since Nintendo has being very moody nowadays.
As for controller thats fugly, huge pass for me.
I'm actually interested tbh.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
For anyone wondering about Steam Machine's TF power, it's 8.78 TF for single-precision floating point (FP32), assuming the calculations are similar to RDNA2 GPUs.

So just a tad shy of base PS5. I'm expecting it won't be priced any higher than $399, it could even be $349. $299 is a low probability but if they hit that price then it's just an automatic win and impulse buy for many (even more than it already is without price even announced).

I'm liking everything they're showing, and I'll be looking to pick up all three within 2026. The VR headset might be last tho, only because out of the three I'd have the least immediate use for it. Now I'm just curious what volumes these things are going to be produced at, and how the distribution's going to be. If it's larger in scope on both fronts than how they did Steam Deck (up until they got OEMs like Lenovo involved), then we could be seeing some big movement in this PC/console hybrid space.
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$299 is insta-buy for me
$399 and maybe

any higher and can't see the point
 
pepeno said:
It's valve. IT will be $899 if you are lucky. They are trying to sell Steam Frame for rumored $1200 with specs from 3 years ago when you can buy Samsung Galaxy XR with 4k per eye OLEDs for $1600 or big screen beyond 2 for $1000 with 2,5k per eye.
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Yet the Steam Deck is $399 (under $300 on sales) and absolutely murders any other PC handheld out there in price/performance.
 
spons said:
I'd say 500 bucks at least for the Steam Machine. They're aiming for a profit here.
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Are they though? Will be interesting to see. Valve really don't need profit and are a private company so can afford to make a slight loss. Their ambition is surely not to make money currently but capture the market and get people off Windows - which its very clear Valve hates with a passion and would love to replace as the primary OS PC gamers use.
 
Will it come with the VR headset out of the box because that would be cool? And how much will this cost? MS probably scratching there head right now that Valve stole there thunder.
 
So a slightly above average PC. Its not even an rdna4 gpu, so there's no FSR4. Well unless AMD release for the older cards.

8GB vram is kinda stupid. Its not enough nowadays. 12GB would've been smarter.
 
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Guilty_AI said:
Games have pretty much stagnated in terms of graphics, a considerable number of people buy laptops with even less power than this. Like i said earlier, all hangs on the price
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It will do fine with running indies and AA stuff in the future, so I think that should be most people's expectation from a couple of years in. That original post said that AAA titles would run on it 5 to 10 years from now, and that's just extremely unrealistic.
 
Even if this is like $399 or lower, it will only be available from the Steam Store and likely won't sell mega numbers. I wonder how many people will use that to stir up sort of console war and utterly miss the point.
 
Brakum said:
Library.

But also for decades console players have been saying they buy box X or Y because of exclusives.

Well there you go, this has more exclusives than every console that's ever existed combined.
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It will be struggling to run games. I could see an appeal if Kernel level anti-cheat games ran on this.
 
Now I like the look of the Steam Machine. I like the look of the Steam Frame. But no OLED?

Will Alyx work on the Frame without the Steam Machine or will it need to be connected to it?

Is there a video of what the VR is capable on its own?

How fucking much dickwads!
 
Anger Rage GIF

I just want SteamOS for big screen with good Nvidia drivers.
 
b0uncyfr0 said:
So a slightly above average PC. Its not even an rdna4 gpu, so there's no FSR4. Well unless AMD release for the older cards.

8GB vram is kinda stupid. Its not enough nowadays. 12GB would've been smarter.
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Valve probably got a terrific deal from AMD who wanted to get rid of warehouses full of old useless chips, otherwise I can't understand the specs.
 
Dang, the Steam Frame is also a computer/has gaming hardware built in. I would rather stream VR from my more powerful PC and not pay the premium for a standalone VR headset.
 
Zathalus said:
Yet the Steam Deck is $399 (under $300 on sales) and absolutely murders any other PC handheld out there in price/performance.
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Steam Deck has a death grip on the "bang for your buck" portable PC consoles.

Whenever ANY other portable is announced, comments are flooded with "Steam Deck is still a better value", and it is. Even though it's underpowered, it gets the job done for most.

I think they have a shot at doing the same thing with the Steam Machine. I'd be surprised if it's more than $400.
 
nial said:
The Steam Machine being a weak Windows-based device, it will not last for more than 3 years. PS5 and Xbox Series will not last that much, either, people will be disappointed if they seriously believe that.
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Casual gamers are not going to buy an 800-1000$ next-gen system. Studios will not solely develop games for a console userbase that is shrinking. Playstation came out yesterday and said that the PS5 is "midway through its journey". Hell, most AAA developers want to put their games on Switch 2. That system will exist for another 7-8 years
 
I'm interested and I'm not even bothered by fixed hardware.

If this is £349 with a controller and no online fees it becomes a borderline impulse buy.

I love the look of the thing, would fit in to any living room or desk set up.
 
Steam Machine looks a bit weak to me, but I guess they want it to be somewhat affordable. I'm more interested in a potential software announcement they hopefully might have coming.
 
I'm a heavy VR user and while I find this a very compelling product, the lack of color passthrough is a bummer. I recognize this is a gaming device first, but this decision really is going to limit it's utility. Valve says "this is a PC" but many productivity applications leverage MR, not to mention not being able to access the large number of games that are designed around MR.
 
In order for Steam Machine to work it needs to get the anti cheat issues fixed.
People just want to plug in and play their favorite games.
 
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nial said:
It will do fine with running indies and AA stuff in the future, so I think that should be most people's expectation from a couple of years in. That original post said that AAA titles would run on it 5 to 10 years from now, and that's just extremely unrealistic.
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I mean, this is Expedition 33 running on a RTX 3050, a UE5 game that isn't even all that well optimized



Unless there's a massive revolution in graphics or the price of hardware drops considerably, steam machine should hold up for quite a while
 
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Banjo64 said:
I'm interested and I'm not even bothered by fixed hardware.

If this is £349 with a controller and no online fees it becomes a borderline impulse buy.

I love the look of the thing, would fit in to any living room or desk set up.
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But do you not already have a PC? I'm always confused by posts like this on an "enthusiast forum". I think the steam machine looks really cool but then I have my PC already running HDMI 2.1 to my OLED TV. I have no use for it.

Guilty_AI said:
I mean, this is Expedition 33 running on a RTX 3050, a UE5 game that isn't even all that well optimized



Unless there's a massive revolution in graphics, steam machine should hold up for quite a while
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It really depends on what you want to accept. I have a 360hz oled monitor and the idea of sub 100fps is just unacceptable to me. The difference in my enjoyment is to the point I just wouldn't play a game running that shit.
 
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