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[MisterXDTV]

Nope. Ray-tracing is a selling point because they improved the general performance, not literally adding all of the RDNA 4 features in. Cerny himself literally said: "The base technology for PS5 Pro is somewhere between RDNA 2 and RDNA 3,".

LOL it's even written in the official slide by Cerny

Future RDNA = RDNA 4

RDNA 3 ray-tracing is not even in the same ball-park

But hey, I'm sure AMD will magically offer the same performance of PS5 Pro on RDNA 3 cards with no dedicated hardware...

Have fun waiting for it...

 

[Kacho]

Why do you want to tell everyone? Who are you trying to impress?

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Kacho]

1. I love how you're missing the joke.

2. I love how obviously shook you are at Valve beating Microsoft to the punch with this.

 

[adamsapple]

1. I love how you're missing the joke.

2. I love how obviously shook you are at Valve beating Microsoft to the punch with this.

Gaming moves forward when players and developers have more ways to play and create, especially across open platforms. Expanding access across PC, console, and handheld devices reflects a future built on choice, core values that have guided Xbox's vision from the start. As one of the largest publishers on Steam, we welcome new options for players to access games everywhere. Congrats on today's announce.

 

[Kacho]

Gaming moves forward when players and developers have more ways to play and create, especially across open platforms. Expanding access across PC, console, and handheld devices reflects a future built on choice, core values that have guided Xbox's vision from the start. As one of the largest publishers on Steam, we welcome new options for players to access games everywhere. Congrats on today's announce.

 

[adamsapple]

But all jokes aside, I really can't see this being a viable machine for anything other than indies or as a good emulation box. The specs don't warrant it to have any kind of longevity for playing new games without severe settings reduction.

 

[Topher]

Who's with me?

I'm with you

 

[DarkShadowXI]

Why do you want to tell everyone? Who are you trying to impress?

Console gamers will think you're a needy PC gamer and PC gamers won't think "master race" (aka super nerd) enough to build a real PC.

 

[DarkShadowXI]

But all jokes aside, I really can't see this being a viable machine for anything other than indies or as a good emulation box. The specs don't warrant it to have any kind of longevity for playing new games without severe settings reduction.

This does wonders on the Steam Deck! I expect heavy mileage on Steam Machine for stuff like this.

It can't perform miracles, but it helps a lot. I can understand why some people don't like stuff like this, though.

 

[Kacho]

But all jokes aside, I really can't see this being a viable machine for anything other than indies or as a good emulation box. The specs don't warrant it to have any kind of longevity for playing new games without severe settings reduction.

That's just the damage control talking. This is just step one for them. There will be many Steam Boxes to choose from in the future.

Xbox's selling point will be "you can play your Steam games on our device in addition to your Xbox games" and Valve just nullified it.

Live look at adamsapple after seeing the announcement today

 

[Durin]

LOL it's even written in the official slide by Cerny

Future RDNA = RDNA 4

RDNA 3 ray-tracing is not even in the same ball-park

But hey, I'm sure AMD will magically offer the same performance of PS5 Pro on RDNA 3 cards with no dedicated hardware...

Have fun waiting for it...

Literally the BVH improvement is the only major thing tying it loosely to RDNA 4, because it also improves in that area.

You said it's equivalent to an RX 9070, when the PS5 Pro GPU ray-tracing compute power is around 12 to 15 TFLOPS, the RX 9070 is around 20. You said it has machine learning accelerators (MLA), which don't exist in the hardware.

Just accept the console grab-bagged some features across the RDNA line to make a mid-gen refresh, instead of trying to gas up its literally equivalent to RDNA 4.

PS5 Pro NPU doesn't have specialized matrix cores and higher AI throughput of RDNA 4 for FSR4, RDNA 3 gpus will just use general compute units with software to do it. Both will run FSR4 worse (less fps gain), but likely get close to visual improvement, which is better than both are now.

 

[adamsapple]

That's just the damage control talking. This is just step one for them. There will be many Steam Boxes to choose from in the future.

And then they will be more interesting to look at.

Xbox's selling point will be "you can play your Steam games on our device in addition to your Xbox games" and Valve just nullified it.

Valve just made a small form factor PC tho, a weak one at that. And it won't play Xbox games like you said either.

Live look at adamsapple after seeing the announcement today

Nah. Why get this in 2026 when I can get something much better in another year. Our Phildom is strong.

 

[Kacho]

Valve just made a small form factor PC tho, a weak one at that. And it won't play Xbox games like you said either.

Their mandate is 4K 60fps upscaled which is what consoles aim for in most cases. It might be a touch weaker but it should do the needful in most cases.

A small form factor PC is what the next Xbox will be too btw. You think Xbox is beefing up their Play Anywhere volume so they can keep making console games? Nope. You'll be playing primarily Xbox PC games on the nextbox. It might have a power advantage at launch but Steam Boxes will be keeping them on their toes.

I'd like to see this light a fire under Xbox's ass, but given how limp dick the ROG Ally X is on the experience side despite being more powerful I'm not hopeful.

 

[Idleyes]

Hold on, were you the guy from this gif all this time?

My wife does consider me a garbage man. So that makes me a trash collector.

 

[Durin]

I'd like to see this light a fire under Xbox's ass, but given how limp dick the ROG Ally X is on the experience side despite being more powerful I'm not hopeful.

If they didn't spike Game Pass pricing, they'd be in a better position to offer more for staying on Windows.

 

[DavidGzz]

You mean an X-Steam-Box?

Nah, the Magnus will be an X-Steam-Box since it will have Game Pass, Steam, and GTA 6. A lot more RAM too.

That's just the damage control talking. This is just step one for them. There will be many Steam Boxes to choose from in the future.

Xbox's selling point will be "you can play your Steam games on our device in addition to your Xbox games" and Valve just nullified it.

Live look at adamsapple after seeing the announcement today

I doubt it. How many Steam Decks are there? It wouldn't go along with the other thread you posted about how Valve wants to keep it simple for gamers and developers to select the best settings for Steambox. MS still has GTA 6 and easy to access Game Pass on Magnus and enough RAM to future proof their device.

1. I love how you're missing the joke.

2. I love how obviously shook you are at Valve beating Microsoft to the punch with this.

He will be giddy posting the DF results of games running on the Steambox vs. Magnus. I'm looking forward to them. BTW, I am excited about Steam getting into the ring. Anything to keep competition fierce since we win.

 

[Catphish]

Depending on price, it could be a very cheap way to get into PC gaming.

I guess the point is for people who want PC gaming at console prices.

I'm certainly interested if the price is right.

If the RAM/VRAM is 16/8, it feels like it's hobbled out of the gate. I'm not expecting Alienware, but it seems to me it'll basically be born lower mid-range, with very limited future prospects. Like, if there was such a thing as an eMachines console. I don't get it. 32/16 would've made a lot more sense.

 

[Kacho]

How many Steam Decks are there?

5-6 million. Keep in mind that Steam Deck is a supplementary device just like the Steam Machine is. The Steam PC app will always be Valve's bread and butter. Microsoft has no strength on the PC side with their Xbox app.

It wouldn't go along with the other thread you posted about how Valve wants to keep it simple for gamers and developers to select the best settings for Steambox.

The Valve engineers in the same interview said additional Steam Machines are going to happen, along with users being able to build their own. The simplicity is the experience SteamOS provides, which is vastly superior to the experience found on the ROG Ally X, and more performative.

MS still has GTA 6 and easy to access Game Pass on Magnus and enough RAM to future proof their device.

GTA6 is a boon, but let's be real. It's a console game and people likely to play it already have an Xbox Series S/X. No need to upgrade to $1000+ hardware for that alone. If it's 30fps on consoles (likely) then it will be 30fps on Magnus no matter how much power it has.

Fuck a Game Pass.

Anything to keep competition fierce since we win.

That's the dream. Being honest, I will own a Magnus in addition to the Steam Machine. I'm heavily invested in both ecosystems.

 

[DavidGzz]

5-6 million. Keep in mind that Steam Deck is a supplementary device just like the Steam Machine is. The Steam PC app will always be Valve's bread and butter. Microsoft has no strength on the PC side with their Xbox app.


The Valve engineers in the same interview said additional Steam Machines are going to happen, along with users being able to build their own. The simplicity is the experience SteamOS provides, which is vastly superior to the experience found on the ROG Ally X, and more performative.


GTA6 is a boon, but let's be real. It's a console game and people likely to play it already have an Xbox Series S/X. No need to upgrade to $1000+ hardware for that alone. If it's 30fps on consoles (likely) then it will be 30fps on Magnus no matter how much power it has.

Fuck a Game Pass.


That's the dream. Being honest, I will own a Magnus in addition to the Steam Machine. I'm heavily invested in both ecosystems.

I meant variations of the Steam Deck. I agree with your other points. 30fps GTA 6 would suck! But I can see Rockstar not caring because we will just double dip on the PC version.

I'll be getting both as well. Just waiting for the pre-orders to open up.

 

[MayauMiao]

Who's with me?

Good luck I guess.

 

[nikos]

Depending on price, I'd get it as a secondary device for random and co-op games since my PC is nowhere near my TV. Also as a media center, to complement an Apple TV, depending on its capabilities.

 

[Laptop1991]

No, I've already got a PC, and I don't game on consoles or handhelds but good for those that want to.

 

[adamsapple]

Their mandate is 4K 60fps upscaled which is what consoles aim for in most cases. It might be a touch weaker but it should do the needful in most cases.

I think you're putting a lot of faith in that 4K/60 comment. DF mentioned how turning RT on made Cyberpunk drop to 30fps with FSR upscaling.

It'll be interesting to see how this works with heavy games of the current times.

 

[Kacho]

turning RT on

Wow. Turning on a demanding feature has a massive impact on performance, just like on regular PCs. Who would have thought? No one is buying this to play Cyberpunk at 60fps with RT on. Come on, man... lol

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Plus developers aren't going to release optimized steam machine ports of games like they do for consoles

I'm sorry, I must have missed all the shit state games were released on consoles in the last 5 years. What optimization?

 

[adamsapple]

Wow. Turning on a demanding feature has a massive impact on performance, just like on regular PCs. Who would have thought? No one is buying this to play Cyberpunk at 60fps with RT on. Come on, man... lol

Well, yeah, not much you can do with 8gb vran these days other than reducing settings to low

Im glad you're all in on this kacho. You're like me for the Xbox PC a year from now

 

[Kacho]

Well, yeah, not much you can do with 8gb vran these days other than reducing settings to low

I'm glad your faith is restored in 4K 60fps (upscaled) comment. Sure it might require some caveats, like low settings and no RT, but it is possible.

Im glad you're all in on this kacho. You're like me for the Xbox PC a year from now

All in, baby. I've been asking for this for a while.

I hope I can share your enthusiasm for Magnus. It's all in the execution.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I don't even know who its target audience is. After the next gen consoles come out, where will it rank? Above the Switch 2?

The point is lost on me. Pass.

Anime? The category on the store and doing well on it's own.

 

[Fahdis]

A girl online asked if I wanted to see her steamy box, imagine my disappointment when It was just her vagina.

Lmfao! This one made me chuckle.

 

[Ribi]

If I can build a SFF for cheaper no. If the price is just right, yes.

 

[Kumomeme]

this thing mainly gonna target non-hardcore pc user or console players who owned Steamdeck. the specs and the upcoming revealed price reflected that. for those who already got decent PC, no need to buy one. but the portability of this thing is one of selling point toward that group of audience aside SFF PC users.

but this make me wonder wether it gonna spark another competition of releasing a small portable PC device like Steamdecks did to PC handheld market. also if Valve gonna take opportunity to push the Steam OS further later which is another step i hopefully they could take. this gonna upset the window gaming space and could sparks more interest toward linux gaming.

 

[Signalis]

Who's with me?

Thought I was on reddit for a moment

 

[IDKFA]

If the RAM/VRAM is 16/8, it feels like it's hobbled out of the gate. I'm not expecting Alienware, but it seems to me it'll basically be born lower mid-range, with very limited future prospects. Like, if there was such a thing as an eMachines console. I don't get it. 32/16 would've made a lot more sense.

Probably comes down to affordability.

If the goal is to make PC gaming more accessible, then the device needs to be financially appealing.

32GB of RAM and 16GB VRAM is going to make it a lot more expensive.

Personally I'm happy with the specs. The games I'd play most on PC are RTS and grand strategy, which are far from graphically demanding.

 

[Icymanipulator]

I'm open to it, but I want more details.

 

[Paasei]

Depends on the price. Steam Deck on the go and at home I continue with my games on the Machine in a higher resolution/better performance and hooked to my PC and power. No battery issues. Easier to navigate the OS outside Steam for multimedia stuff and getting emulation going.

Will be a nice in between for my PC and PS5.

Really need more details for performance. However I see the possibilities. It's RDNA so it should be comparable to consoles.

 

[DEAD ORIGINAL]

I'm Playstation guy nowadays, but I used to play Xbox back in 360 days, This is excellent news and I hope Steam Cube sells well Playstation needs serious competition, and I'm intrigued by Steams Library of older games.

 

[PaintTinJr]

I don't even know who its target audience is. After the next gen consoles come out, where will it rank? Above the Switch 2?

The point is lost on me. Pass.

People that want to have the freedom of mod-ing PC games but with a similar turnkey console experience with precompiled shaders with every software update, and an experience that is definitely targeted by all PC devs that at least mildly care about game performance on a PC because this will become a lower tier of cross-compat on PS6 gen titles IMO.

If they can get similar pricing to the SteamDeck and have a 2-3year cadence for a new Steambox with clearance pricing for the predecessor the box could very well become a better replacement for the mid-gen console refreshes and provide cheaper and cheaper entry to PC gaming for those that want that

 

[KungFucius]

Why do we need to decide if we want to buy one within hours of it being announced? No reviews available. No testing. No price.

Why do you guys feel the need to make these declarations?

Well the decision not to buy one is pretty easy. What's also interesting, further down the road is, will Steam OS a viable OS for people like me who have 2 gaming PCs hooked up to TVs? I think they will be dicks and keep it closed so probably no there too.

 

[Poppinfresh]

Unless the price is REALLY competitive, I don't see why anyone would get one of these over the Steam Deck, one of the Windows handhelds, or building their own PC.

That said, if the price is right, I may get one, install Proxmox on it, and use it as a homelab server. However, there's zero reason for me to get one of these for gaming.

 

[seb85]

You can't wait to tell them that you have an underpowered machine that is weaker than PS5 series x in some aspects, good luck

 

[GymWolf]

Can't wait to tell people that i DON'T have a steam box.