Lokaum D+
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only if using mouse right ? cause i saw some previews and the "lock on aim bot" still present in the game
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Metroid Prime 4: Beyond, overview trailer (Switch 2)
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Mister Wolf
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Even with the lock-on they are forcing you to target smaller areas on its body. I just wish these Prime games had a Hard Mode available from the start.
Mister Wolf
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Check out the video I posted.
Mozza
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There is far too much logic contained in this post.
xanaum
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Seriously, this game cost 100 million? Man, I think Nintendo needs to audit what's going on with the money in this project. I feel like a team of 50 reasonably experienced people with 20 million dollars could deliver what I saw in that trailer. I'm not being a hater, just going off what I'm seeing, a late 2025 game costing all that, made and published by one of the richest game companies out there and it's gonna be 70 bucks
Hero_Select
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We dont know how much this game cost to make aside from a rumor that popped up. But the game was fully rebooted after being years in development so that would explain the ballooned-up cost if did indeed cost that much
Robb
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They restarted the project from scratch back in 2019, so ~3 years of development time was flushed from the get-go.
The game we're seeing now doesn't necessarily have a $100M (rumored) budget. But the project overall might.
rodrigolfp
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Nice. MP3 did that too. They have a "Veteran" mode on the Wii Trilogy.
Lokaum D+
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man, you telling me that this game is on production since 2016 ? this game ?
Nintendo must have the laziest devs in the industry, almost 10 years to make this ? c'mon
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Robb
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Pretty much the opposite.man, you telling me that this game is on production since 2016 ? this game ?
Nintendo must have the laziest devs in the industry, 10 years to make this ? c'mon
Bandai Namco was appointed to develop Metroid Prime 4 initially. Nintendo scrapped that project completely ~3 years into development.
The game was restarted from scratch in 2019 at RETRO Studios. So ~7 years of development by now I guess, which is still a long time to be fair.
It's a Switch 1 game at the end of the day. Doesn't matter how long of a development cycle, you can only do so much given the hardware limitations. If and when there is a Metroid Prime 5, it'll be night and day difference in visual fidelity.man, you telling me that this game is on production since 2016 ? this game ?
Nintendo must have the laziest devs in the industry, almost 10 years to make this ? c'mon
I don't give a fuck how you play the game, lol. There was free aiming in MP Trilogy and didn't make the game harder at all.
LordOcidax
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We still don't know the real scale of the game.
You're just making up stuff arbitrarily. You don't know what has gone into this development.
As has been said, it also has to run on ancient hardware.
rodrigolfp
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It did for me. You must have an "aim bot" in your brain or hand.
Lokaum D+
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i m 100% sure that the game is not even close the scale of KCD2, i would bet my ass on it.
i m not hating on the game, just saying that is a long period of development for a game that looks like that.
As much as I would love this to have more advanced graphics based on the Switch 2 or - one can fantasise - current gen console power i just think the game looks good within its context (a Switch 1 cross gen title) and that it has way bigger potential problems like just being a very samey unambitious sequel that could have come out 15 years ago or the genre of issues that Myles represents.
TerribleAtThisGame
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I find the og controls and lock-on very satisfying. There's great feedback to the lock-on hitting a target and the way she moves while locked on. It's like first person 3D Zelda combat to me.
Side note here but one of the things I always loved about the Prime games (and I felt this back when the first game out) is just how video-gamey they are.
It's hard to explain what I mean but you know what I mean. I just loved and love that. I don't want them to be infected by this obsession with aping the medium of film.
I love most of the story being told through text logs and environmental story telling. I love how they have no stupid pretentions of being """""""""realistic"""""""".
It's hard to explain what I mean but you know what I mean. I just loved and love that. I don't want them to be infected by this obsession with aping the medium of film.
I love most of the story being told through text logs and environmental story telling. I love how they have no stupid pretentions of being """""""""realistic"""""""".
vaibhavpisal
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Not sure why shooting is being defended here.
Thats a low hanging fruit they should have absolutely tackled. It was fine in 2002.
Would it be ok for TES 6 to have Skyrim combat, like pretty much lifted from there?
Would have loved to see some melee action, slides and parry in there, if not full on 3rd person fluid jumping , gliding etc.
Thats a low hanging fruit they should have absolutely tackled. It was fine in 2002.
Would it be ok for TES 6 to have Skyrim combat, like pretty much lifted from there?
Would have loved to see some melee action, slides and parry in there, if not full on 3rd person fluid jumping , gliding etc.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Needs more G.F.S. Valhalla. Peak Metroid Prime.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I absolutely love playing Metroid Prime Trilogy on my Wii. It's just so immersive with the wiimote and nunchuk. I feel like any Metroid Prime game will be a downgrade with any other controller. Well except for possibly VR controllers if it ever comes to Quest or Steam Frame lol.
Windom Earle
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The fact that you sweep for the garbage millennial cringe humor that has not place in a Metroid game.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It wont but we can hope for a VR mod for emulated SW1 version.
And in a vacuum you're right. But as we know, this game has had a very tumultuous development cycle that we're not privy to all the details. You can't judge it based on the merits of a normal development cycle.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I don't know what the fuck you just said.
Because it's built from the ground up on a system that is barely more powerful than the Wii U. What are we missing here? If this were announced as a Switch 2 exclusive and spent 5 years in development exclusively for the Switch 2 and looked like this I'd understand the sentiment. This is basically the equivalent of a game that started development on the PS4 and when it finally released, it released cross gen on the PS5 and people are wondering why it doesn't look like a bonafide PS5 exclusive. This game was and is completely designed around 8+ year old hardware. Why is it shocking it looks the way it does?
Chuck Berry
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LordOcidax
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JPSLotus97T
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I'm afraid we will be waiting that long for the MP2 and MP3 remasters.
Lokaum D+
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As
rodrigolfp
pointed to me, you can always play the Wii trilogy on PC with modern controllers or KB+M.Also you can pump the resolution to 4k and call a remaster of shorts.
ShadyAcshuns
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Probably from people who didn't play the original games.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I don't think they understand it's a First Person Adventure and combat is a very secondary thing and is used more for solving puzzles then fighting enemies.
Plus depending on weapon upgrades(element, missile, bombs/powerbomb, Phazon beam equivalent) you'll be able to speed up or fight more tactically against different enemy types.
Hope they go all in with Psychic powers and have you force throw enemies.
I prefer to use real gameplay footage images instead of bullshot, especially during the super bullshot era, when the devs published too much bullshot instead of real gameplay images for actual representation.
Real in-game cutscenes from actual gameplay.
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Lokaum D+
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It should be mandatory to every new console to have DLSS, Sony and MS going AMD again for next gen should be considered a crimeI prefer to use real gameplay footage images instead of bullshot, especially during the super bullshot era, when the devs published too much bullshot instead of real gameplay images for actual representation.
Real in-game cutscenes from actual gameplay.
Mister Wolf
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I prefer to use real gameplay footage images instead of bullshot, especially during the super bullshot era, when the devs published too much bullshot instead of real gameplay images for actual representation.
Real in-game cutscenes from actual gameplay.
At a much higher resolution too. You pretty much ended the debate.
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Yep.
Killzone Shadowfall - Single Player mode ~1080p/~30fps.
Multiplayer mode -Fake 1080p (got many negative criticisms for misinformation about actual resolution that they had to give out a statement on the website)
Metroid Prime 4 - 4k/60fps and 1080p/120fps docked mode.
The importance of having clear IQ and no piss filter.
Killzone Shadowfall running on PS5pro vs MP4
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Mister Wolf
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It's refreshing to see Samus interact with the Galactic Federation and other non combatant living beings. I'm glad Retro doesn't listen to you guys.
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vaibhavpisal
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Will having better gameplay mechanics make it a worse game?
Indiana Jones TGC comes to mind.
They had slighly dumber enemies than average stealth game, thats lore accurate and helps make exploration (which is focus of the game) more enjoyable.
Whats the benefit of not having great mechanics here?
You are just dealing with typical old school Nintendo fanboy stuff here on this point, you won't get any good responses.
I must admit I did laugh when the "it's a FIRST PERSON ADVENTURE!!!!" defense appeared - it took me back 20 years.
You are just dealing with typical old school Nintendo fanboy stuff here on this point, you won't get any good responses.
I must admit I did laugh when the "it's a FIRST PERSON ADVENTURE!!!!" defense appeared - it took me back 20 years.
Robb
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But it does have improved gameplay mechanics, there's lots of new abilities that'll allow for new and more complex puzzles, gameplay and variety. There's a bike for faster traversal. New morph ball specific abilities and traversal mechanics. Etc. Etc.
I mean you can punch and kick in Super Mario 64. Would you really want the devs to make an entire fighting-game move-set for Mario instead of focusing on developing brilliant platforming? It's not a fighting game or even and action game. Combat and enemies are there all the time but it's not what's important to a game like that.
vaibhavpisal
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Not even RPGs make these excuses anymore.
Games like Elden Ring, Avowed have 10s of weapons, builds, playstyles. Each of them are fun, precise. Good hit stops, impact and sound, precise dodge etc.
Even something like Fallout 4, Starfield I can play 100 hrs just shooting things.
This year alone I played Doom TDA, Ninja Gaiden 4 with insane gameplay. Both are tighter games like Metroid.
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All the ingredients are there in this to make something amazing. Morph ball can be used for parry, block, with use of bombs to destroy enemies after. Can put different beams at holding a button that can be used instantly to destroy certain parts etc.
Am talking about defense force that dont want better gameplay.
From what I am seeing, core mechanics of aiming, encounter design etc seems to be from old titles.
If they are able to shake things up with new mechanics remains to be seen. Am waiting to play it to draw any conclusions. It does seem to have more complex level design and move set apparently from say MP3.
Robb
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Yeah, but it's always a give and take. They could remove several new abilities (or cut down on other stuff) to focus on greatly improving enemy AI. But what's the point when players just run past enemy encounters while backtracking to get to a specific section of the map like in most metroidvanias?
Overall I'd argue something like that would just result in a worse Metroid Prime game overall. While for something like, say, Halo, it's probably the opposite case.
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vaibhavpisal
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Not seeing any traversal mechanics that would allow for that.
At max you can run past gun touting enemies that use cover and take a while to die.
Robb
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I'm just talking about the general gameplay in these titles. When I'm playing them and are backtracking to unlock some new part of the environment I don't stop in every room to kill all the enemies. I blast a door to get to a new room, run through it and ignore all the enemies, blast the next door and move on. Etc.
Same as moving from one screen to the next in a 2D metroidvania.
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vaibhavpisal
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It should be possible to do that. Skip enemies and make through levels quickly.
They are still using those position based enemy trigger where they jump at you when you reach a certain point in level.
Doomtrain
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I mean, a greatly simplified version of this debate is: you could give 2D Mario a gun and let players aim it in 360 degrees with the right stick, but that wouldn't be "better" than forcing players to jump on goombas. Likewise, Mario wouldn't be "better" if said goombas had complex AI that reacted to the player's tactics rather than simply wandering left and right. It would be a different set of core mechanics, designed for a different world with a different set of challenges.
Metroid Prime does have a certain emphasis on shooting, so to that extent, the shooting absolutely should feel as good as possible. I do think the series has some room for improvement there. At the same time, Metroid's focus has never been raw combat; the focus is the environment, and enemies have historically been there to add texture. Leaning too far into combat and shooting mechanics is naturally going to shift where the focus is. "More combat focus" does not equal "better game."
Player mechanics have to be right *for the game world*, and the game world has to be right *for the player mechanics*. You can't just import Destiny's mechanics into Metroid and expect it to work out of the box, any more than you would want to throw morph ball tunnels into Call of Duty.
Metroid Prime does have a certain emphasis on shooting, so to that extent, the shooting absolutely should feel as good as possible. I do think the series has some room for improvement there. At the same time, Metroid's focus has never been raw combat; the focus is the environment, and enemies have historically been there to add texture. Leaning too far into combat and shooting mechanics is naturally going to shift where the focus is. "More combat focus" does not equal "better game."
Player mechanics have to be right *for the game world*, and the game world has to be right *for the player mechanics*. You can't just import Destiny's mechanics into Metroid and expect it to work out of the box, any more than you would want to throw morph ball tunnels into Call of Duty.
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