Linus tech tips is disappointed that the steam machine won't be priced like a console.
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BlueManifest
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Price should still be the main point of this system
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Valvecube is a PC, but I doubt you didn't think of it as a console because the entire narrative, including Linus's, is that it's a console. You may not know this, but even what's on a video thumbnail is something the manufacturer dictates what to add or remove so if Linus calls it a console, it's because Valve wants it that way, while hypocritically stating on their website that it's a pc.
hinch7
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Should put something to elevate the PC from the carpet like a plank of wood or something. Otherwise it'll become a magnet for dust and fibers from the carpet and will kill your PSU faster (bad airflow and said dust/debris).It isn't loud. It sits on the side of a table completely enclosed. Never gets cleaned out and it runs completely fine. No issues. If I didnt open it up, you guys would just see a plain black case unassuming PC and be none the wiser of what it looks like inside. All the glass openings, neon lights, and excessive amounts of fans are just theatrics.
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ricardo_sousa11
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The sweetspot for this would be 450$, they are competing with consoles, not pc.
memoryman3
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I don't see a dedicated graphics card, and the integrated graphics card only contains 6CUs.
Kadve
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Yea China brands but still Windows PC's
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LordOcidax
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I was in the $599 territory.
seb85
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Yeah a privilege of 8gb VRAM and low end GPU , that shit isn't worth more the 500$
Kadve
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Hm, true. Might have been a bit to quick there.
Still, a dedicated Custom GPU like that is gona push the price even more
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Topher
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A generation behind but no. You can get something very much like the Steam Machine for 300-400 Euro.CHUWI UBox Mini PC R5 7430U 16GB 512GB
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He was talking about a laptop with a RTX 5050, but no....that mini PC is not close to Steam Machine. Integrated graphics and it is not RDNA. it is Vega 7
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
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BlueManifest
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Oh ok from China of course it's cheap, and not the same specsYea China brands but still Windows PC's
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So we've ruled out it's impossible for it to be 400 atleast
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simpatico
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if PS5 is $200 cheaper, you're still stuck with a $15 monthly fee. 1% the game library (or less really). No media creation tools. Far less AV tools. No real creative tools to speak of.
Ever since PSX, consoles brought extra value to the market aside from just game players. I knew a lot of kids who used it as their CD player. I think most people used PS2 and 3 as movie machines. All that is gone. Your TV alone has most of the same AV capability.
Not to mention the absolute uncertainty of backwards compatibility. Coaster libraries could be built. Check the PS3 game shelf at your flea market. I've been buying up a lot of retro game stuff lately and anything from the patch era I just can't find much value in. I either play it on PC or just enjoy the memories. My PS2 stack is huge though.
Ever since PSX, consoles brought extra value to the market aside from just game players. I knew a lot of kids who used it as their CD player. I think most people used PS2 and 3 as movie machines. All that is gone. Your TV alone has most of the same AV capability.
Not to mention the absolute uncertainty of backwards compatibility. Coaster libraries could be built. Check the PS3 game shelf at your flea market. I've been buying up a lot of retro game stuff lately and anything from the patch era I just can't find much value in. I either play it on PC or just enjoy the memories. My PS2 stack is huge though.
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BlueManifest
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Im guessing their target price is they want it to cheaper than pre built pc with similar specs but more than a console
So the price will be in between those 2
Hopefully a bundle with the frame gives a big discount though
So the price will be in between those 2
Hopefully a bundle with the frame gives a big discount though
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LordOcidax
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The entry point price is more important than that… Thats why console manufacturers subsidize some systems. And the reason that combustion engines cars still selling more than electric cars.
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Hawk The Slayer
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For a weak ass 8gb vram that is already completely pathetic in the last couple of years let along 2025, it shouldn't be more than 500 realistically and going about this fairly but unfortunately they don't think like normal people so they'll probably try to sell this shit at 700 or even more with them trying to hype the thing up like "look at this cool little box" and "this isn't just a small gaming box but it's a steam gaming box!" so they'll try to high ball the price with it being a cool little thing and also the steam brand name.
If they were fair, this thing would have been 16gb vram with the graphic being a bit better if they're going to sell for 700 to 800 but they won't be fair and instead be as greedy as possible.
Whatever the case may be, if they're selling for 700 or more than I hope this thing flops just so they'll know 8GB VRAM is retarded.
If they were fair, this thing would have been 16gb vram with the graphic being a bit better if they're going to sell for 700 to 800 but they won't be fair and instead be as greedy as possible.
Whatever the case may be, if they're selling for 700 or more than I hope this thing flops just so they'll know 8GB VRAM is retarded.
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Themacabre
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Turns out I didn't think about it as a console as I don't think about consoles at all. I know what it is, and why I am getting it, and I didn't need people on YouTube to tell me what to think about it or how it's not a good deal compared to some console I don't want.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Would you buy a PC without Windows ? Would you have that courage ?Pretty much. Most people around the globe who use a PC casually have never even heard of Linux. Windows has a 71% marketshare of Desktop OS usage.
Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Mister Wolf
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Topher
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If they have the same strategy they had with Steam Deck then it could come in at $500 for 512GB and rise a good bit for 2 TB. Maybe to $700. We are getting into Apple pricing at that point, but since the SSD is replaceable, it might work.
Mister Wolf
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Ive been using Windows since Windows 95. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Topher
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Courage? To use something other than Windows? What is there to be afraid of?
Senua
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Same, though windows 11's bloat is an absolute shit show
over 499€ is DOA
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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fixed that for you.
If you can build a better machine for less money then do it for yourself. I would wager though you already have a pc better than those specs IF you understand the complexities of building the pc already.
If that is the case this product isn't for you anyway so it's existence (and price point) generally shouldn't have any impact on you.
BlueManifest
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I already bought a pc without windows the steam deck and it's much better for gaming
LordOcidax
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That's a competitive price… I would buy one for that price.
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Mister Wolf
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I don't see it. Maybe you guys are doing something different with your PC. Maybe you are hackers. Surfing the web and playing videogames has been the same as its ever been. The only time Windows has ever annoyed me is when they tried to flip the script with Windows 8. I got the same feeling when I entered Linux Desktop on my Lenovo. Blood started boiling.
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
They want some of the audience that's on consoles, even if they don't say so openly ,t hat's the fatal mistake; they should be honest and say they're competing with PlayStation.
BlueManifest
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Yea if valve allows people to build a = or better one for the same or less I say they failed
yeah but the 512gb version, over 499€ is DOA in 2026
hinch7
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Nice should help quite a bit I should imagine. Was looking at something like that for PC but its way too big (fat) lol.Just bought this:
Also forgot to mention the cool Berserk wallpapers you have. I've got to get around reading the new chapters.
pudel
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Why not? I am doing that whenever I can. Sometimes its not even an option and you get windows installed...no matter what. But its easy to just overwrite it than.
Paasei
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I'll wait for Valve to announce the price. Also if it's around 500, then it's a decent deal. It's a little more powerful as regular PS5 and a little less than a Pro. At least if I can believe the calculations by some nerd on a Dutch newssite about tech and tweaking. And that is then based on Valve's claim that it's 6 times more powerful than the Deck. But yeah, I wouldn't know, it's just something I've read. Just threw the comment through ChatGPT to translate it to English. Didn't check for accuracy, because I'm lazy and it's bed time while I'm writing this. It's in the spoiler below, for it being quite a wall of text.
The GPU should deliver 6× the performance of a Steam Deck. A Steam Deck reaches ~1.638 FP32 TFLOPs with RDNA 2.0.
Six times 1.638 comes down to 9.828 TFLOPs. Of course, there are other RDNA 2.0 consoles on the market as well, such as the PS5 and Xbox Series. Since they all use the same architecture, you can compare TFLOPs (which comes down to (clock speed × shading units × 2) / 1,000,000) fairly accurately. Still, some games prefer more cores while others perform better with higher clock speeds.
The hardware will use RDNA 3.0. Clock-for-clock, RDNA 3.0 performs roughly 8% better than RDNA 2.0. So if it really ends up being exactly 6× the GPU performance of a Steam Deck, that translates to about 18.2 TFLOPs RDNA 3.0 (9.1 × 2, because starting with RDNA 3.0 AMD uses the same trick as Nvidia where integer shaders can theoretically be used for floating-point operations).
We know the clock speed will be 2,450 MHz, so using the calculated (and taken with a healthy grain of salt) TFLOPs value, we can estimate how many shading units the system will have.
9.1 × 1,000,000 / 2 / 2450 = 1857. Of course, that's not a standard configuration. The closest common number is 1792. AMD always increases in steps of 256, so it will either be an RDNA 3.0 GPU with 1792 shading units or with 2048.
If it's 1792 units, that results in 17.56 TFLOPs (RDNA 3.0). If it's 2048, then it's 20.07 TFLOPs. At 20.07 TFLOPs, the RDNA 3.0 performance is roughly equivalent to the relative floating-point performance of an RX 7600M XT, GTX 1080 Ti, RTX 3060 12 GB, or Arc A770. At 17.56 TFLOPs, the performance is comparable to an RX 7600M, RX 6600, RTX 2060 Super, or Arc A560.
Six times 1.638 comes down to 9.828 TFLOPs. Of course, there are other RDNA 2.0 consoles on the market as well, such as the PS5 and Xbox Series. Since they all use the same architecture, you can compare TFLOPs (which comes down to (clock speed × shading units × 2) / 1,000,000) fairly accurately. Still, some games prefer more cores while others perform better with higher clock speeds.
- Xbox Series S: 4.01 TFLOPs
- Xbox Series X: 12.15 TFLOPs
- PS5: 10.29 TFLOPs
- PS5 Pro: 18.05 TFLOPs
- Steam Deck: 1.64 TFLOPs
- Steam Machine 2026: 6× Steam Deck
The hardware will use RDNA 3.0. Clock-for-clock, RDNA 3.0 performs roughly 8% better than RDNA 2.0. So if it really ends up being exactly 6× the GPU performance of a Steam Deck, that translates to about 18.2 TFLOPs RDNA 3.0 (9.1 × 2, because starting with RDNA 3.0 AMD uses the same trick as Nvidia where integer shaders can theoretically be used for floating-point operations).
We know the clock speed will be 2,450 MHz, so using the calculated (and taken with a healthy grain of salt) TFLOPs value, we can estimate how many shading units the system will have.
9.1 × 1,000,000 / 2 / 2450 = 1857. Of course, that's not a standard configuration. The closest common number is 1792. AMD always increases in steps of 256, so it will either be an RDNA 3.0 GPU with 1792 shading units or with 2048.
If it's 1792 units, that results in 17.56 TFLOPs (RDNA 3.0). If it's 2048, then it's 20.07 TFLOPs. At 20.07 TFLOPs, the RDNA 3.0 performance is roughly equivalent to the relative floating-point performance of an RX 7600M XT, GTX 1080 Ti, RTX 3060 12 GB, or Arc A770. At 17.56 TFLOPs, the performance is comparable to an RX 7600M, RX 6600, RTX 2060 Super, or Arc A560.
LordOcidax
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Is not going to punch above the PS5/SX with those specs… sadly.
Mister Wolf
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Our boy Guts going through a hard time. Then again, that's always been the story of Berserk.
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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Being able to buy parts of a shelf to build a one off machine to meet your needs is not the same thing as a mass producing a product that is consumer ready/plug-n-play.
hinch7
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Ah, was hoping for a little win. Poor dude can't catch a break even after getting Casca back and things looking better, the Falcon always comes back and haunts him. You can tell its taking its toll not only physically but mentally as well.
Sad that Kentaro Muia isn't alive to finish the story but his writers/mangaka artists are continuing to do gods work.
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simpatico
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I think consumers are getting more savvy. That was the status quo for a long time in gaming, but how many billions did we watch burn this year because of status quo thinking and planning? The market could not be any more different now. People are far more informed compared to the PS4 era. Tiktok gets a lot of flack but I think that type of content does some good in this way. Everyone is gonna be hit with reels and videos pointing out exactly what I said. And it's not very subjective or even grey. You're getting a LOT for your $200, and unless you're playing offline, it's just a loan.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Games, incompatible programs... Windows isn't so bad, in fact it's necessary. That's why I insist on saying that the Steam Machine is a limited PC, I don't think even GPU upgrades are allowed.
Topher, tell me, would you recommend a Steam Machine or a used itx pc with an Nvidia gpu ?
Topher
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Even if Valve really were taking on consoles, since when do companies come out and declare "We are competing with <insert company name>"? They don't. So are they all being dishonest because they don't point out their competition?
You have some weird takes bro
Mister Wolf
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Some of the fanbase don't accept it as canon. Im ok with it.
darrylgorn
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With the following considerations:
1. 4060 spec machine with Linux as the OS for added performance
2. Ultra portability
3. I'm a 1080p 60fps gamer
4. I have a Steam library in the thousands of games
I would pay up to $1000 including the controller and taxes.
1. 4060 spec machine with Linux as the OS for added performance
2. Ultra portability
3. I'm a 1080p 60fps gamer
4. I have a Steam library in the thousands of games
I would pay up to $1000 including the controller and taxes.
