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[Walliwallipaloo]

Please don't ever show us a picture of your bathroom.

"That toilet stopped working a long time ago. The fan up there? Just for show. Really, only the toilet paper dispenser is essential."

 

[Themacabre]

If this thing costs only 100 less than Microsoft's upcoming superpowered hybrid, then it's a no brainer that I'm spending that extra 100 and buying the Xbox for next-gen power.

And for me it is the opposite. The price is irrelevant, I wouldn't be getting the Steam Machine to save money somehow, and the xbox could be half of the cost and I wouldn't want it, like I don't want it now.

 

[March Climber]

And for me it is the opposite. The price is irrelevant, I wouldn't be getting the Steam Machine to save money somehow, and the xbox could be half of the cost and I wouldn't want it, like I don't want it now.

I'm guessing windows is your deal breaker?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Judging by PS5 Pro sales, it seems power isn't everything for the average consumer. Then there's the fact that in PC land only a select few opt for high end rigs with the majority of PC players having older, less powered systems. I think the new Steam machines fills a very nice and attractive balance for a larger target base.

Smart.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

It's not doing big numbers either way. It's gonna be an extremely niche device no matter what they price it.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Hardly matters to console gamers.

This thing needs to compete with the console market to be relevant, and having an infinite amount of random Steam games won't matter much, because it's not like we are not getting all the games we want on PS5 and Series. I can't name a single game available on Steam, that I want to play, and that is not Series.

And there are also games available on Series that are not on Steam, on top of it...

Traditional console gamers like us are dinosaurs on the way to extinction. Kids these days don't care about console brands.

 

[Themacabre]

I'm guessing windows is your deal breaker?

Not really, just don't see much interest in the console ecosystem. I can plug this thing into my TV and myself and other people can use it with my huge PC catalog without any fuss. That's pretty much it.

 

[Pimpbaa]

I thought steam deck was cheap'ish because they did subsidized some of the cost of the hardware because of the money they made with steam. They make a console like pc with a console like interface, even had a gaming handheld pc with a reasonable price yet they potentially wanna charge maybe around the price of ps5 pro. This is like them bringing out the steam deck now (with it's 2022 specs), and charging considerably more than the switch 2.

 

[PlayStaytion]

There's literally nothing positive about consoles when Linus in the room, he's the last man on earth I'd take advice on behalf of console gamers.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Luke is so out-of-touch if he thinks this weak sauce spec'd PC can justify a higher than PS5 price point.

"Its more versatile, you can compute on it."

Its clearly meant and marketed for the living room, not for a general PC setup.

 

[Haint]

I thought steam deck was cheap'ish because they did subsidized some of the cost of the hardware because of the money they made with steam. They make a console like pc with a console like interface, even had a gaming handheld pc with a reasonable price yet they potentially wanna charge maybe around the price of ps5 pro. This is like them bringing out the steam deck now (with it's 2022 specs), and charging considerably more than the switch 2.

Yes, considering 5060Ti prebuilt systems can be had for $899, which are 2x (or 3x with DLSS) the power of Steam Machine, it's like bringing out the OG Steam Deck now and charging near ROG Xbox Ally X prices for it.

Luke is so out-of-touch if he thinks this weak sauce spec'd PC can justify a higher than PS5 price point.

"Its more versatile, you can compute on it."

Its clearly meant and marketed for the living room, not for a general PC setup.

The primary market is going to be upper middle class nerds who already have a 5090 "gamer battle station" in a dedicated office/computer room, that are buying Steam Machines for their dens, living rooms, basements, and bedrooms.

 

[pacman4000]

A toy for already settled PC gamers.

Spot on. It is in this context that this product should be regarded, imo.

I think it will do rather well.

But it won't disrupt the market. Except that it will be a small thorn in Microsoft's side.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Not really, just don't see much interest in the console ecosystem. I can plug this thing into my TV and myself and other people can use it with my huge PC catalog without any fuss. That's pretty much it.

This is what next gen xbox will allow. Likely.

Using this with a 4k tv will be especially jarring.

If this thing costs only 100 less than Microsoft's upcoming superpowered hybrid, then it's a no brainer that I'm spending that extra 100 and buying the Xbox for next-gen power.

No way they would be this close.

Gabe cube is more like a Series S with a few extra teraflops.

Xbox Magnus should be on a different level.

 

[DavidGzz]

No pay to play online easily makes up the difference in price to the Pro. What is the cheapest price for PS Plus per year? Multiply that by generation length.

 

[pacman4000]

No pay to play online easily makes up the difference in price to the Pro. What is the cheapest price for PS Plus per year? Multiply that by generation length.

Why compare it to the Pro?

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Disc drive is meaningless for PC we don't want it on console for fun, we have to have it to play physical games.

What physical games do I need to play on PC that I could fit and would take the time to burn to a disc?

In the physical games for PC thread earlier today they accomplished this with memory cards. Even easier with a simple external drive. Also usb disc drives exist for next to nothing.

No disc needed. That said....I was kinda hoping for $499.99.

We're beyond disc drives, at this point. Enthusiasts who want that for other means, will know what to do. I do.

 

[lastmessiah]

Is not going to punch above the PS5/SX with those specs… sadly.

Yes it will.

 

[Pimpbaa]

No pay to play online easily makes up the difference in price to the Pro. What is the cheapest price for PS Plus per year? Multiply that by generation length.

SteamOS currently has a problem with multiplayer games due to anti cheat software for windows that behaves like malware (doesn't work at all). Maybe valve will find a way to fix it by the time this comes out, but if not then this isn't the device for gamers who like multiplayer games.

Edit: I know not all all MP games are like this

 

[lastmessiah]

PC game builds have settings that allow you to tweak graphical parameters to whatever performance profile you are targeting. This is why the Steam Machine is not a console even if you are retarded enough to think the shape of the chassis makes it one. Consoles lock you into "optimized" builds with some having only a Performance and "Quality" option.

 

[Humdinger]

No pay to play online easily makes up the difference in price to the Pro. What is the cheapest price for PS Plus per year? Multiply that by generation length.

$80/year is the normal rate. Also, people on PC usually pay less for games than people on consoles do. So you can factor in that savings, too.

 

[KeplerL2]

Tom Henderson is speculating that it's going to cost 849/999 for the two models btw.

You can build a better system for $700-750

 

[Gamer79]

The problem with Price is there is a sweet spot to hit that MASS APPEAL number.

$500-$600 seems to be that price point where it's selling out and people are losing their minds over it.

$700+ it's only going to be for enthusiast and maybe some console guys with money to burn will buy it.

$999+ Mostly only the tech geeks are going to buy this thing. Anyone who buys this probably already has a PC that far outperforms it so it becomes a novelty.

I personally am going to pass. I already have my own "steam machine" setup. I have my 32inch gaming monitor about 4 feet apart from my 65 inch quantum dot Oled. I run the display port from my graphics card to the monitor and one of my graphic cards HDMI ports I run to my Oled. Problem solved!

 

[Kacho]

This guy speculates $399. Makes some decent arguments for it.

 

[Kumomeme]

just make own PC then. if someone worry about portability, small form factor exist.

 

[BlueManifest]

This guy speculates $399. Makes some decent arguments for it.

They aren't forcing you to use steam when you buy steam machine though, so they can't rely on game sales for every system sold even though most of them will be using steam

 

[lh032]

Mw

Hardly matters to console gamers.

This thing needs to compete with the console market to be relevant, and having an infinite amount of random Steam games won't matter much, because it's not like we are not getting all the games we want on PS5 and Series. I can't name a single game available on Steam, that I want to play, and that is not Series.

And there are also games available on Series that are not on Steam, on top of it...

Megabonk not on console :, (

 

[March Climber]

Not really, just don't see much interest in the console ecosystem. I can plug this thing into my TV and myself and other people can use it with my huge PC catalog without any fuss. That's pretty much it.

That's what the next Xbox is also promising. So at this point the sell for you must be the OS, right?

No way they would be this close.

Gabe cube is more like a Series S with a few extra teraflops.

Xbox Magnus should be on a different level.

I hope you are right.

 

[Topher]

No way they would be this close.

Gabe cube is more like a Series S with a few extra teraflops.

As in twice as many teraflops and 2.4x the amount of overall RAM. And a much better CPU than any current consoles.

 

[PlayerPurple]

You are getting a few FPS gain, if that. People need to let go of the whole optimization, coding to the metal etc - it isn't happening.

You're missing the point that it was already happening before PS4 turned consoles into mini-PC's.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

It's impossible $500, anyone who understands mini-ITX knows that the compact form factor increases the price. Want a tip ? Buy a gaming laptop; you can connect it to the TV, play games without a TV using its screen, and it even comes with Windows where you can play Valorant and COD.

man ps5 is $400, forget this cheat

You seem to be really having a meltdown over this hardware

 

[Kacho]

just make own PC then. if someone worry about portability, small form factor exist.

That option has always existed.

 

[Topher]

No, it's not the Steam Machine; it doesn't do upgrades.
I won't try to convince you, I just think Valve designed a flop product, that's my opinion.

One post you are talking up gaming laptops as the better option and the next you are criticizing Steam Machine which is just as upgradeable as any gaming laptop.

You need to stop gaslighting.

 

[existensmaximum]

just make own PC then. if someone worry about portability, small form factor exist.

You can build a pc that small yourself?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

You are getting a few FPS gain, if that. People need to let go of the whole optimization, coding to the metal etc - it isn't happening.

You realize you can freely check all the benchmarks about PC handhelds running SteamOS and Windows? It's not about coding to the metal, it's about not having POS OS because now finally there is an alternative.

 

[DavidGzz]

Why compare it to the Pro?

From the OP: "Even if the Steam Machine is like at $600 or $700, it isn't going to have any justification for it," he added, arguing that the PS5 Pro is a much more powerful piece of kit."

 

[Topher]

You can build a pc that small yourself?

Doubtful. Don't think you can buy a motherboard with dedicated GPU built in. Smallest ITX case I'm aware of is the Lian Li A4 h20

h20: 140x326x244

Steam Deck: 152x162x156

A4-H2O - LIAN LI is a Leading Provider of PC Cases | Computer Cases

A4-H20A TRIBUTE TO SFF The A4-H2O is an 11-liter small form factor case, a collaboration project with DAN Cases. Based on the original DAN A4-SFX case sandwich layout concept, the A4-H2O continues the minimalist and compact form factor with improved hardware compatibility (including AIO water...

lian-li.com

 

[Themacabre]

That's what the next Xbox is also promising. So at this point the sell for you must be the OS, right?

I don't know what this means. They can't promise something they don't control, like steam. I'm not allergic to Windows, I'm obviously using it right now. Microsoft sucks, lies all the time, and I am not interested in whatever AI infested hybrid console thing you are talking about. Plug in Steam Machine, sign into steam, hand wife controller.

 

[pacman4000]

Smallest ITX case I'm aware of is the Lian Li A4 h20

h20: 140x326x244

Asrock Deskmeet X600 is 218×168x219

 

[March Climber]

I don't know what this means.

The next Xbox is being poised to be a hybrid console. That means it will have Windows OS along with being able to play Xbox games. This means you can just play steam, GoG, EGS, etc. titles on it.

The ROG Ally X is a sneak peak of this.

They can't promise something they don't control, like steam.

I don't know what this means.

Microsoft sucks, lies all the time, and I am not interested in whatever AI infested hybrid console thing you are talking about.

Plug in Steam Machine, sign into steam, hand wife controller.

Then it's literally an OS issue for you. You can't say it's not and then some of your problems are involving their OS and most of your solutions are involving steam OS.

It's okay to say this, still use windows for daily functions, but prefer Steam OS for gaming

 

[DavidGzz]

Doubtful. Don't think you can buy a motherboard with dedicated GPU built in. Smallest ITX case I'm aware of is the Lian Li A4 h20

h20: 140x326x244

Steam Deck: 152x162x156

A4-H2O - LIAN LI is a Leading Provider of PC Cases | Computer Cases

A4-H20A TRIBUTE TO SFF The A4-H2O is an 11-liter small form factor case, a collaboration project with DAN Cases. Based on the original DAN A4-SFX case sandwich layout concept, the A4-H2O continues the minimalist and compact form factor with improved hardware compatibility (including AIO water...

lian-li.com

This is what people aren't getting. Sure, you can build a desktop for cheap but the super small form factor is part of the cost of the Gabecube. If you don't mind having a desktop in your living room, do that, it's probably smarter when it comes to power level and cooling. This is for console gamers who want something small that fits under their TV without standing out.

 

[Themacabre]

Then it's literally an OS issue for you.

No, it isn't, and I'm not interested in purchasing a hybrid console computer from Microsoft at all. not on the list in the same way that a PS5 isn't on the list. It's a non-starter, there was never a choice between those options. The Steam Machine will fit exactly the use case I have for it. I'm not interested in "bang for the buck here" I already have that and have had that for decades with my gaming PCs. I'm not comparing specs because specs aren't the reason that I am interested, there are other factors. many of them, that come together to make this in particularly attractive package.

 

[DavidGzz]

This guy speculates $399. Makes some decent arguments for it.

Since it will most likely come with a controller, it will be at least $499. I'm just saying since they are pushing this as a console replacement, the controller will be standard. That would be pretty crazy, and I can see this selling as well as the Xbox Series sold if not better. Maybe that doesn't sound great but it's still a huge improvement over Steam Deck. With some good marketing I can see it being a much bigger must have item, even among casuals.

 

[Mister Wolf]

You realize you can freely check all the benchmarks about PC handhelds running SteamOS and Windows? It's not about coding to the metal, it's about not having POS OS because now finally there is an alternative.

Negligible returns while losing out on playing some of the most popular games in the industry.

 

[OuterLimits]

Why are you speaking for all console gamers? They aren't a monolith. Do you realise how popular PC gaming is with the youth? Thanks to twitch and YouTube. This gives many an easy way into PC gaming without worrying about foibles that come with being a traditional windows desktop. Don't get me wrong I'm still sticking with my windows desktop for now but I see how this is very appealing to many people who always wanted to play PC games but either couldn't afford or were intimidated by the traditional desktop experience

Yeah, it's pretty wild how many kids prefer PC gaming now and don't give a shit about consoles. My 12 year old and his friends at school prefer PC because of Youtube/Twitch. Only console they really play is Switch/Switch 2 for Nintendo exclusive stuff. When his friends are over they hang out playing PC and ignore the Playstation.

 

[RafterXL]

Nothing like building your machine around the lowest common denominator and then pricing them all out. If this thing costs more than $500 it's more dead than I already thought it would be.